Vialle Chooses to sit out 2nd moto

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I just came here to say the rando twitter take was spot on except he left out that KTM quit on paying their employees too.

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How do Herlings, de Wolf, and Coenen bounce around Lommel and Arnhem without issue? Seems they should be able to solve this.  

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Herr Lich wrote:

Comparing a firefighter to a pastor? 

OwenJakes wrote:
100%. The firefighters at our church would happily tell you our pastor is their mentor and that they admire him deeply - and vice versa. Sorry you...

100%. The firefighters at our church would happily tell you our pastor is their mentor and that they admire him deeply - and vice versa. 

Sorry you live in a sour little echo chamber and don’t know any men like this. 

JnDubZ wrote:

You are just a delusional Christian. They said "mentor" not the job is the same and they also give their lives daily. 

Does “giving your life” necessitate that one must literally die? genuinely curious. 

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PRM31 wrote:

How do Herlings, de Wolf, and Coenen bounce around Lommel and Arnhem without issue? Seems they should be able to solve this.  

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

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burn1986 wrote:

I’d have to look back, but why did Cooper Webb sit out?

Wanted a bit more time on the couch with them burgers and fries...

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PRM31 wrote:

How do Herlings, de Wolf, and Coenen bounce around Lommel and Arnhem without issue? Seems they should be able to solve this.  

Good point....

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

@ML512 would take a picture of a washer or something and out them 😆

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

Nothing stopping them.

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100%. The firefighters at our church would happily tell you our pastor is their mentor and that they admire him deeply - and vice versa. Sorry you...

100%. The firefighters at our church would happily tell you our pastor is their mentor and that they admire him deeply - and vice versa. 

Sorry you live in a sour little echo chamber and don’t know any men like this. 

JnDubZ wrote:

You are just a delusional Christian. They said "mentor" not the job is the same and they also give their lives daily. 

OwenJakes wrote:

Does “giving your life” necessitate that one must literally die? genuinely curious. 

No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far brainwashed by your religion. Don't disrespect firefighters like that. 

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PRM31 wrote:

How do Herlings, de Wolf, and Coenen bounce around Lommel and Arnhem without issue? Seems they should be able to solve this.  

rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

In US they have two frames to chose from, I may have heard 3 in Europe. Herlings i know changes subframe (as late as last year) but that you can do in AMA also. Not main frames. Of course we don't truly know but they have been pretty transparent in interviews before when asked about it. 

Would be interesting to hear an update, on who actually uses what. Herlings has been outspoken before, nothing secret at least from him.

Viałle didn't want to race his GP bike in MXoN, preferred the US bike. If it was such an advantage he would have gone back right away, specially for a MXGP track.

Weather I agree on, but you have Australian riders and US Florida riders tanking themselves, and some are fine like Jett and Hunter has been all along. It's again just individual how you handle heat and humidity.  Chase took himself out for moto 2 i Florida when he was considered the best trained 250 rider. Je

When it comes to suspension, I think it's an old myth that all Europeans run softer suspension. It's individual. When TC came to US and raced he was running pretty much same fork settings as the US team uses for SX, the team themselves said. Mosiman who tested the bike said he has ridden SX suspension that was as stiff as Cairoils setup.

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JnDubZ wrote:

You are just a delusional Christian. They said "mentor" not the job is the same and they also give their lives daily. 

OwenJakes wrote:

Does “giving your life” necessitate that one must literally die? genuinely curious. 

JnDubZ wrote:
No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far...

No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far brainwashed by your religion. Don't disrespect firefighters like that. 

100% I do, all the ones I know agree too. It’s alright though - people can have different views than you without you attacking them😂😂 manbaby

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OwenJakes wrote:

Does “giving your life” necessitate that one must literally die? genuinely curious. 

JnDubZ wrote:
No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far...

No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far brainwashed by your religion. Don't disrespect firefighters like that. 

OwenJakes wrote:

100% I do, all the ones I know agree too. It’s alright though - people can have different views than you without you attacking them😂😂 manbaby

That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you. I literally pointed out that you and only you think a firefighter and pastor are the same. You clearly can't handle someone not having the same religious opinion as you, so you have gone to attacking me lol. 

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Nystrom wrote:

Anyone else think this thread took a weird turn?

GrapeApe wrote:

Just enjoy the history lesson(s). I'm hoping to learn more about France's involvement in the US civil war.

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I can't facepalm enough. I personally meant the Revolutionary war lol. No idea why I typed the Civil war.  

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JnDubZ wrote:

You are just a delusional Christian. They said "mentor" not the job is the same and they also give their lives daily. 

OwenJakes wrote:

Does “giving your life” necessitate that one must literally die? genuinely curious. 

JnDubZ wrote:
No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far...

No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far brainwashed by your religion. Don't disrespect firefighters like that. 

 “Risking” is probably more apt than “giving”, though risking your life can cost you your life (obviously - otherwise, there wouldn’t be any risk). Willingness to run into a burning building to save someone is part of a firefighter’s job description.  A pastor may be dedicated to the welfare of others but risk is typically comparatively minimal (unless an old lady is pissed because someone sat in her pew). I know some fantastic people who are pastors - and some complete twits. 

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burn1986 wrote:

I’d have to look back, but why did Cooper Webb sit out?

Herr Lich wrote:

Wanted a bit more time on the couch with them burgers and fries...

Well fat boy beat Clark Kent for the SX title this year so 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️😂😄😄

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We somehow went from talking about Budds Creek moto 2, to historical military conflicts in less than 4 pages 😂

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JJO741 wrote:

We somehow went from talking about Budds Creek moto 2, to historical military conflicts in less than 4 pages 😂

The pitchforks lost momentum when the issue of the shock was exposed…

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JnDubZ wrote:
No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far...

No, it doesn't but if you really think that a firefighter and pastor are in the same "giving your life' category then you are too far brainwashed by your religion. Don't disrespect firefighters like that. 

OwenJakes wrote:

100% I do, all the ones I know agree too. It’s alright though - people can have different views than you without you attacking them😂😂 manbaby

JnDubZ wrote:
That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you...

That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you. I literally pointed out that you and only you think a firefighter and pastor are the same. You clearly can't handle someone not having the same religious opinion as you, so you have gone to attacking me lol. 

I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. 

I never said they were the same, I said they both involved sacrifice in high degree (along with school teachers which for some reason you chose not to pick on?).I said it within the context of chase sexton acting like a martyr for being a pro racer. 

Dude have a good night. Dont take everything so hard. 

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JnDubZ wrote:

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I can't facepalm enough. I personally meant the Revolutionary war lol. No idea why I typed the Civil war.  

Hey, don't feel bad.

In a recent interview I saw with Ken Burns  - perhaps the finest  US Documentarian there has ever been - he described the War of Independence as being, in many aspects, a Civil War.

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

(6) Suspension. Most dedicated fans know about the production rule, but did you know that homologation is required for suspension in the 250 class? The 450 riders are allowed to run “unobtainable” works suspension, while the 250 riders are limited to stock suspension or homologated A-kit suspension that doesn’t exceed $6300 for the forks and $2500 for the shock. 

(From MXA)

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

aees wrote:

Nothing stopping them.

Yes there is.  The 250 class has much tighter restrictions on the cost of suspension and it basically has to be available to the public for sale.

MX2 class doesn’t have such restrictions so highly likely there is not much in common between the suspension in MX2 and AMA 250.

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OwenJakes wrote:

100% I do, all the ones I know agree too. It’s alright though - people can have different views than you without you attacking them😂😂 manbaby

JnDubZ wrote:
That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you...

That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you. I literally pointed out that you and only you think a firefighter and pastor are the same. You clearly can't handle someone not having the same religious opinion as you, so you have gone to attacking me lol. 

OwenJakes wrote:
I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. I never said...

I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. 

I never said they were the same, I said they both involved sacrifice in high degree (along with school teachers which for some reason you chose not to pick on?).I said it within the context of chase sexton acting like a martyr for being a pro racer. 

Dude have a good night. Dont take everything so hard. 

You should spend less time on this website. You brought up a religious profession, if you're not religious then why would you even think of that? As for the teacher, that is also just as stupid. So, someone dealing with kids is automatically "putting their life on the line"? AND it's comparable to firefighters. 

I called you out on some outrageous thing you said, and YOU couldn't handle it lol. 

Also, "it's not a dick, don't take it so hard" 

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rsd47 wrote:
My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics...

My guess is it'll be something to do with the manufacturer rules. Those KTMs in the GPs could be almost completely different bikes under the plastics compared to what Sexton and Vialle are riding. It's one of the reasons I think Prado might be in for a surprise if he gets on the US version of the orangs bike -- it will be a long way away from what he had in MXGP. Also, the weather in Europe rarely reaches the levels of the AMA Nationals, and riders tend to run softer suspension/setups, so I guess those could also be factors 

Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

mx691 wrote:
(6) Suspension. Most dedicated fans know about the production rule, but did you know that homologation is required for suspension in the 250 class? The 450...

(6) Suspension. Most dedicated fans know about the production rule, but did you know that homologation is required for suspension in the 250 class? The 450 riders are allowed to run “unobtainable” works suspension, while the 250 riders are limited to stock suspension or homologated A-kit suspension that doesn’t exceed $6300 for the forks and $2500 for the shock. 

(From MXA)

There is a rule yes, but how much is it enforced? Anybody seen any 250 suspension getting stripped down, ever?

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Shenzi wrote:
we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to...

we're talking about the shock. what are the rules MXGP vs USMX that stops KTM USA to have working shocks? Dont you want your riders to finish motos, let alone win? get some Japanese technology in there, no one would know. 

aees wrote:

Nothing stopping them.

ando wrote:
Yes there is.  The 250 class has much tighter restrictions on the cost of suspension and it basically has to be available to the public for...

Yes there is.  The 250 class has much tighter restrictions on the cost of suspension and it basically has to be available to the public for sale.

MX2 class doesn’t have such restrictions so highly likely there is not much in common between the suspension in MX2 and AMA 250.

They have gotten around that before with forks so the rule isn't stopping any factory who wants to run it unless AMA has tighten the loopholes last couple of years.

52mm factory forks was used in 250 class and was made available to the public but you had to buy minimum 3 of them and had to sign service agreements. Basically none wanted them with that offer.

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JnDubZ wrote:
That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you...

That is just insane, no one else agrees with you. Also, you need to calm down pushing you religion on here. I never once attacked you. I literally pointed out that you and only you think a firefighter and pastor are the same. You clearly can't handle someone not having the same religious opinion as you, so you have gone to attacking me lol. 

OwenJakes wrote:
I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. I never said...

I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. 

I never said they were the same, I said they both involved sacrifice in high degree (along with school teachers which for some reason you chose not to pick on?).I said it within the context of chase sexton acting like a martyr for being a pro racer. 

Dude have a good night. Dont take everything so hard. 

JnDubZ wrote:
You should spend less time on this website. You brought up a religious profession, if you're not religious then why would you even think of that...

You should spend less time on this website. You brought up a religious profession, if you're not religious then why would you even think of that? As for the teacher, that is also just as stupid. So, someone dealing with kids is automatically "putting their life on the line"? AND it's comparable to firefighters. 

I called you out on some outrageous thing you said, and YOU couldn't handle it lol. 

Also, "it's not a dick, don't take it so hard" 

I brought up very selfless professions that require lots of sacrifice on multiple levels. 

You keep moving the goal posts and editing what I said to justify yourself. I never said “putting life on the line” bro😂😂 

you just rage against Jesus that’s what this is really about. He loves you though, I promise❤️

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OwenJakes wrote:
I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. I never said...

I’m not religious nor am I pushing a religion. We have different perspectives - you were just exposed to mine and couldn’t resist commenting. 

I never said they were the same, I said they both involved sacrifice in high degree (along with school teachers which for some reason you chose not to pick on?).I said it within the context of chase sexton acting like a martyr for being a pro racer. 

Dude have a good night. Dont take everything so hard. 

JnDubZ wrote:
You should spend less time on this website. You brought up a religious profession, if you're not religious then why would you even think of that...

You should spend less time on this website. You brought up a religious profession, if you're not religious then why would you even think of that? As for the teacher, that is also just as stupid. So, someone dealing with kids is automatically "putting their life on the line"? AND it's comparable to firefighters. 

I called you out on some outrageous thing you said, and YOU couldn't handle it lol. 

Also, "it's not a dick, don't take it so hard" 

OwenJakes wrote:
I brought up very selfless professions that require lots of sacrifice on multiple levels. You keep moving the goal posts and editing what I said to justify...

I brought up very selfless professions that require lots of sacrifice on multiple levels. 

You keep moving the goal posts and editing what I said to justify yourself. I never said “putting life on the line” bro😂😂 

you just rage against Jesus that’s what this is really about. He loves you though, I promise❤️

Thought you said you weren't religious 🤣

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Quitting, shocks, war and Jesus…

This thread has probably run its course.

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MPJC wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. These KTM bikes have been very successful for years. Dungey, Anderson, Sexton, RJ, and Webb won titles without any complaints...

I was wondering the same thing. These KTM bikes have been very successful for years. Dungey, Anderson, Sexton, RJ, and Webb won titles without any complaints about the shock that I can recall (I recall Webb wanting KYB forks but I don’t remember the shock being an issue). Vialle just won a supercross title on the bike so the shock had to have been rideable to do that. It’s not like we’re talking about new technology. This just doesn’t make sense. What did they do that shocks are now unreliable to the point of being dangerous? They seriously can’t find a reliable shock to put on the bike? This doesn’t make any sense to me (which I’ll grant, doesn’t mean much).  

AHRMA361 wrote:
Hmmm...Dungey had a rear air shock lose pressure on the start line of an SX before the gate even dropped. Can't remember the year, or event...

Hmmm...Dungey had a rear air shock lose pressure on the start line of an SX before the gate even dropped. Can't remember the year, or event, but it happened.

Nystrom wrote:

I believe you mean Andrew Short because that happend to him when he was on the air shock. 

Dungey was going to try the air shock in SX, went to the line for his heat race and the rear end sacked out before the gate dropped. Switched to the regular shock the rest of the night and season

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So is WW2 what they used to call mxon? Who did we have riding for us then? 

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