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8/20/2025 1:59pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I think everyone is saying Yamaha provide the bikes for The Ranch only.And I'm on the side of Yamaha provides the bikes, but since the bikes...

I think everyone is saying Yamaha provide the bikes for The Ranch only.

And I'm on the side of Yamaha provides the bikes, but since the bikes NEVER change just continue to use the same ones year after year. Charge the parents a fee for Yamaha to provide the bikes, racers bring their plastic w/ graphics if they so choose otherwise run the OEM, and let the racers bring their wheels with their tire of choice. Everything gets swapped back after the week is done and bikes get put away until the next year. 

There's a way to do it, it's just a matter of whether Yamaha/MXSports want to actually do it to give these 4-6 year olds a level playing field.

Or the other option, drop the class completely. Which I am not a fan of.

chasetwo79 wrote:

The system worked here. It caught the cheater, DQd him and the winner's bike was torn down and fully stock. 

Except for the kid that didn’t get to go to the ranch because he lost to a cheaterExcept for the kid(s) that missed out on their...

Except for the kid that didn’t get to go to the ranch because he lost to a cheater

Except for the kid(s) that missed out on their podium interview

Except for the kid and his family that got handled a medal after the ceremony

 Yea and the kid who missed being interviewed on the podium all week. It’s bullshit and that interview made that dude look worse.

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Wow, had to skip through that before I made it 10 minutes into his Pulp appearance. What a fucking loser.

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Here’s my AMA 5 year old that I adopted. Nevermind the Ukrainian birth certificate I got from Profeshenal’s dispatcher. I’m going for the mx version of the “Blind Side”.

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You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s...

You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s been happening for years why do you think we had the whole Deegan bike saga? I think the AMA and MXsports should do something but what? Tear every bike down in the top 10?

To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.

to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto   "oh, okay, so you never cheated, well, have you ever lied?"

It is not so much a condemnation of moto but what society is becoming as a whole.

It is sad.

Hopefully for the Rays, the people that make excuses justifying their behavior, and people that use them to train in preparation for big am events the cost down the road will be getting more scrutiny, and perhaps more protests, that might finally make them realize a true cost of cheating or being associated with people that do and act the way they have through this fiasco.

 

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You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s...

You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s been happening for years why do you think we had the whole Deegan bike saga? I think the AMA and MXsports should do something but what? Tear every bike down in the top 10?

JustMX wrote:
To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto...

To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.

to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto   "oh, okay, so you never cheated, well, have you ever lied?"

It is not so much a condemnation of moto but what society is becoming as a whole.

It is sad.

Hopefully for the Rays, the people that make excuses justifying their behavior, and people that use them to train in preparation for big am events the cost down the road will be getting more scrutiny, and perhaps more protests, that might finally make them realize a true cost of cheating or being associated with people that do and act the way they have through this fiasco.

 

I thought about this as well. 

For me cheating and involving your young child makes it 100% worse. 

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Why there's no ban for cheating in AMA and / or cheaters don't get black balled in the industry when caught is beyond me... Moto media...

Why there's no ban for cheating in AMA and / or cheaters don't get black balled in the industry when caught is beyond me... Moto media should have an interview with AMA asking these questions... Time to turn up the heat!

SlowOldGuy wrote:
The rules are pretty clear on getting caught cheating on the bike.  First offense is a DQ.  Second offense is 1 year suspension.  Before I was...

The rules are pretty clear on getting caught cheating on the bike.  First offense is a DQ.  Second offense is 1 year suspension.  Before I was in this position I was an AMA Congressperson.  I introduced proposals on several occasions (6-10 years ago) to make it a 1 year suspension on first offense.  It never got enough votes to be passed out of the Motocross Committee.  We have our annual meeting of the Motocross Commission in October.  It is on the agenda to discuss stiffening the penalties for cheating.

Also, just about every person we have caught cheating justified it by saying everyone else does.  One would have to be naive to think there is no cheating going on, but I can say this for certain.  The kid who ended up winning the Shaft class at Loretta's was on a legal bike!  Tim McAdams and Tad Dewalt tore that thing down to the frame.  It was the most exhaustive PW50 tear down I have ever seen and every part was fine. 

At the end of the day the process worked.  The kid who was illegal was DQed, and the kid who won passed the most thorough PW50 teardown I have ever seen, validating his win.

I have been officiating races for 25 years and now 6 years at the AMA.   After doing hundreds of teardowns, I would say 8 out of 10 bikes protested are found to be legal. 

Available any time for questions, here or via e-mail.  Any press who want to discuss, email me your number and I will call you.

mburkeen@ama-cycle.org

Mike Burkeen - AMA Deputy Director of Racing

whats your best deegan story?

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JustMX wrote:
To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto...

To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.

to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto   "oh, okay, so you never cheated, well, have you ever lied?"

It is not so much a condemnation of moto but what society is becoming as a whole.

It is sad.

Hopefully for the Rays, the people that make excuses justifying their behavior, and people that use them to train in preparation for big am events the cost down the road will be getting more scrutiny, and perhaps more protests, that might finally make them realize a true cost of cheating or being associated with people that do and act the way they have through this fiasco.

 

Keeper admitting he would have a cheater bike in the limited class for Aden is a bad look. 

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Keeper admitting he would have a cheater bike in the limited class for Aden is a bad look. 

Has had* 

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soggy wrote:

Keeper admitting he would have a cheater bike in the limited class for Aden is a bad look. 

Cygrace74 wrote:

Has had* 

^^This.^^

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JustMX wrote:
To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto...

To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.

to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto   "oh, okay, so you never cheated, well, have you ever lied?"

It is not so much a condemnation of moto but what society is becoming as a whole.

It is sad.

Hopefully for the Rays, the people that make excuses justifying their behavior, and people that use them to train in preparation for big am events the cost down the road will be getting more scrutiny, and perhaps more protests, that might finally make them realize a true cost of cheating or being associated with people that do and act the way they have through this fiasco.

 

soggy wrote:

Keeper admitting he would have a cheater bike in the limited class for Aden is a bad look. 

Expect anything less from the guy DV gave the nick name “Big Bore”?

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Be pretty sad if their track gets a qualifier or regional next year, but wouldn’t be surprised 

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Cheaters always assume everyone else is cheating. That whole interview was embarrassing. You could tell right away with his story telling nonsense that he was going...

Cheaters always assume everyone else is cheating. That whole interview was embarrassing. You could tell right away with his story telling nonsense that he was going to justify and defend the entire time, which he did. 

This is the only solution:

"I'm embarrassed and disgusted with my behavior. I got caught up in this crazy world of being a 50cc parent. I lied to myself and came up with every possible excuse in my head to justify cheating. I cheated a poor kid from getting a ticket to Lorettas at the regional. I realize now that I planned to cheat 4-6 year olds out of top 20s and top 10s, and ended up cheating kids out of podiums and wins too. Worst of all, I set a horrible example for my son. I now I have to tell him that he didn't really win anything, because I cheated him too. I have to tell him that he's not the best rider in the country after all, because the kids who competed on legal equipment are actually the best. This is a conversation that no kid should have with their father, but it's a situation that I created and have to fix. I'm sorry to everyone."

If cheating is really as rampant as Keefer suggests (which I doubt), the AMA and MX Sports need to come up with a better solution. Lifetime bans? I don't know. 

You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s...

You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s been happening for years why do you think we had the whole Deegan bike saga? I think the AMA and MXsports should do something but what? Tear every bike down in the top 10?

Call me naive, but I have a hard time believing that most 250 B limited riders are cheating. Keefer certainly knows 100x more about the sport than I do, but I think this is a big assumption on his part. All we know is that Keefer cheated with big bores himself and apparently would cheat again if entering his son in the limited class. They tear bikes down every year at Loretta's, right? So are people constantly getting stripped of titles? Or is he saying that only the slower riders cheat because they know they won't finish good enough to get checked? The whole thing is such a bad look for the sport. 

 

Maybe a lottery system for randomly tearing down bikes throughout the week? Or maybe a class gets picked at random and every bike in it is torn down? 

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8/21/2025 1:25am
SlowOldGuy wrote:

$150 dollar sanction fee, whoopeee

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Plus everyone who's racing fees. Referee fees, protest fees. Look, I'm not bagging on the AMA, sorry if it came off that way, and like someone said...

Plus everyone who's racing fees. Referee fees, protest fees. 

Look, I'm not bagging on the AMA, sorry if it came off that way, and like someone said earlier, it looks like the system worked this time.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Just FYI,We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets...

Just FYI,

We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets nothing.  We changed the rules last year to give nearly all of the protest money to the guy whose bike ends up in a box if he is legal.  The AMA only gets a fee of $50.  Protests are few and far between at the local race scene.  We go weeks at a time not seeing any.  The lions share of our revenue comes from membership fees ($49 per year) and sanction fees $150 per standard event.

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

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8/21/2025 1:35am
You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s...

You doubt Keefer doesn’t know what goes on in that class? I can almost guarantee he knows. Keefer doesn’t bullshit about things. Right or wrong it’s been happening for years why do you think we had the whole Deegan bike saga? I think the AMA and MXsports should do something but what? Tear every bike down in the top 10?

JustMX wrote:
To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto...

To be honest, I don't think Keefer comes off looking much better than ray.

to Steve when Steve said he could not ever remember cheating in moto   "oh, okay, so you never cheated, well, have you ever lied?"

It is not so much a condemnation of moto but what society is becoming as a whole.

It is sad.

Hopefully for the Rays, the people that make excuses justifying their behavior, and people that use them to train in preparation for big am events the cost down the road will be getting more scrutiny, and perhaps more protests, that might finally make them realize a true cost of cheating or being associated with people that do and act the way they have through this fiasco.

 

I emailed Keefer a few months ago to ask if he had a testing template he could share for us normies. He said no but he was gonna work on one.


How do you have a professional testing company and not have some sort of template used to track data when testing products, whether it’s for feedback to product manufacturers or for content creation. 

How do you have a top prospect as a son and not have some sort of document that you use when dialing in his bike? 

I am being generous here…but I can understand maybe he uses a factory level one that is overkill for gen pop, but it’d be next to nothing to dumb it down. 

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Plus everyone who's racing fees. Referee fees, protest fees. Look, I'm not bagging on the AMA, sorry if it came off that way, and like someone said...

Plus everyone who's racing fees. Referee fees, protest fees. 

Look, I'm not bagging on the AMA, sorry if it came off that way, and like someone said earlier, it looks like the system worked this time.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Just FYI,We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets...

Just FYI,

We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets nothing.  We changed the rules last year to give nearly all of the protest money to the guy whose bike ends up in a box if he is legal.  The AMA only gets a fee of $50.  Protests are few and far between at the local race scene.  We go weeks at a time not seeing any.  The lions share of our revenue comes from membership fees ($49 per year) and sanction fees $150 per standard event.

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

This is why Davy doesn't come around anymore 

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This guy just past the first round of interviews to replace Mx sports Cotter guy….I heard he has lucrative side business cleaning Mx boots….should have said..” Varner built the engine, but check bounced and he sent me the wrong engine” …how my doing? 

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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Just FYI,We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets...

Just FYI,

We do not get any racing fees. There are no such thing as referee fees.  The tracks hire independent contractors to officiate races.  AMA gets nothing.  We changed the rules last year to give nearly all of the protest money to the guy whose bike ends up in a box if he is legal.  The AMA only gets a fee of $50.  Protests are few and far between at the local race scene.  We go weeks at a time not seeing any.  The lions share of our revenue comes from membership fees ($49 per year) and sanction fees $150 per standard event.

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

jaun wrote:

This is why Davy doesn't come around anymore 

Accountability?

I figured he was boycotting due to EKS brand ads. 

Anyways, ✌️

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8/21/2025 5:49am
chasetwo79 wrote:

The system worked here. It caught the cheater, DQd him and the winner's bike was torn down and fully stock. 

The system is not working. Eddie admitted he and his friends all run the Amazon 60 kit. How many AMA sanctioned races have he and his cohorts raced without being caught? How about the many others doing the same thing across the country not getting caught?

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It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:

Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or by the referee of the event will result in disqualification from the event. A second violation of the limited class rules will result in a disqualification from the event and a suspension from AMA competition for one year (12 months from the beginning of the suspension). Changes that are cosmetic in nature are allowed so long as there is no performance advantage.

There is not a different set of rules for promoters.  We followed it exactly as written.

As far as the comment that this is why DC doesnt come here anymore, sometimes I think, "why bother".  The question itself is a fair one, the personal attack saying I am the same as a father who cheated and spent 30 minutes trying to justify it is what makes it hard for me to justify the time.

 

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It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

jaun wrote:

This is why Davy doesn't come around anymore 

Accountability?

I figured he was boycotting due to EKS brand ads. 

Anyways, ✌️

No that was you boycotting VitalMX. Why are you back?

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Another wrinkle in this “Limited” class cheating ordeal is the Austrian brands factory editions, correct? Aren’t those legal? Say you’re a Team Green or Blu Cru kid and you have to run stock vs a FE or RE 250.

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jaun wrote:

This is why Davy doesn't come around anymore 

Accountability?

I figured he was boycotting due to EKS brand ads. 

Anyways, ✌️

GrapeApe wrote:

No that was you boycotting VitalMX. Why are you back?

He's not a man of his word.

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dang472 wrote:
Another wrinkle in this “Limited” class cheating ordeal is the Austrian brands factory editions, correct? Aren’t those legal? Say you’re a Team Green or Blu Cru...

Another wrinkle in this “Limited” class cheating ordeal is the Austrian brands factory editions, correct? Aren’t those legal? Say you’re a Team Green or Blu Cru kid and you have to run stock vs a FE or RE 250.

As long as the factory editions go through the homologation process, they are legal for Limited classes.

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8/21/2025 7:44am
It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or...

Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:

Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or by the referee of the event will result in disqualification from the event. A second violation of the limited class rules will result in a disqualification from the event and a suspension from AMA competition for one year (12 months from the beginning of the suspension). Changes that are cosmetic in nature are allowed so long as there is no performance advantage.

There is not a different set of rules for promoters.  We followed it exactly as written.

As far as the comment that this is why DC doesnt come here anymore, sometimes I think, "why bother".  The question itself is a fair one, the personal attack saying I am the same as a father who cheated and spent 30 minutes trying to justify it is what makes it hard for me to justify the time.

 

DC doesn't come here anymore for the same reason you'll stop posting also: questions are sometimes hard to answer.

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It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or...

Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:

Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or by the referee of the event will result in disqualification from the event. A second violation of the limited class rules will result in a disqualification from the event and a suspension from AMA competition for one year (12 months from the beginning of the suspension). Changes that are cosmetic in nature are allowed so long as there is no performance advantage.

There is not a different set of rules for promoters.  We followed it exactly as written.

As far as the comment that this is why DC doesnt come here anymore, sometimes I think, "why bother".  The question itself is a fair one, the personal attack saying I am the same as a father who cheated and spent 30 minutes trying to justify it is what makes it hard for me to justify the time.

 

DC doesn't come here anymore for the same reason you'll stop posting also: questions are sometimes hard to answer.

DC doesn't post here because he was receiving threats over the MavTV app debacle

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It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a...

It’s cool you “called in” to Vital and made yourself available. 

I’d say correcting a post about AMA revenue streams, while skipping over the post about a cheating AMA promoter holding a race soon, gives off a vibe that is creeping into the ballpark of the vibe Eddie gave after calling in to Pulp. 

Accountability, or lack thereof, starts at the top (or at the core from a feminine perspective). 

I’m in love with this current timeline we are on where all the bs lurking in the shadows, in the moto industry and beyond, is coming to light.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or...

Here is the rule in the 2025 ama rulebook.  Bottom of page 21:

Violations of the limited class rules as determined by the protest process or by the referee of the event will result in disqualification from the event. A second violation of the limited class rules will result in a disqualification from the event and a suspension from AMA competition for one year (12 months from the beginning of the suspension). Changes that are cosmetic in nature are allowed so long as there is no performance advantage.

There is not a different set of rules for promoters.  We followed it exactly as written.

As far as the comment that this is why DC doesnt come here anymore, sometimes I think, "why bother".  The question itself is a fair one, the personal attack saying I am the same as a father who cheated and spent 30 minutes trying to justify it is what makes it hard for me to justify the time.

 

If he admitted that they used the same engine at qualifiers, that is 2 events. Should qualify them for a longer ban

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8/21/2025 8:04am

My goodness we have some shitty people on this board. 

Makes ya really want to go out and invest in the moto industry doesn't it.  Like buy a track or start up a track and run races, or invest in a moto store, etc.....Nope, no thanks.  

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8/21/2025 8:05am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2025 8:30am
jaun wrote:

This is why Davy doesn't come around anymore 

Accountability?

I figured he was boycotting due to EKS brand ads. 

Anyways, ✌️

GrapeApe wrote:

No that was you boycotting VitalMX. Why are you back?

Although I too enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, I think Soul Indigo's rage was clouding his judgement when he decided to stop participating in the forum. 

If EKS Brand wasn't able to advertise here, they might spend that money somewhere uninformed people might actually buy their goggles.  EKS Brand is essentially wasting their money by advertising to us, although the revenue helps VitalMX so that's fine with me.
 

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8/21/2025 8:18am

My goodness we have some shitty people on this board. 

Like everything in life, it only takes a few...

Thanks for contributing Mr. Burkeen.

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