PRADO RUMORS

soggy wrote:

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help...

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help him develop the bike. Either because Jorge isn’t good at developing a setting or there is a communication barrier of some sort. I would say Jorge is responsible for communicating to the team what he wants.  And it’s both parties job to make sure they are understanding each other. 

Also when Jorge says he practices around 70% and then expects that setting to translate to race pace seems foolish. 

aees wrote:

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and...

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.

Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.

Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.

If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position. 

Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.

No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.

We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.

soggy wrote:

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race...

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race. Obviously practicing at race pace doesn’t guarantee a good setting either but I believe it probably gives you a better chance. 

aees wrote:

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and...

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.

Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.

Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.

If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position. 

Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.

No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.

We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.

Press516 wrote:

This is like the 17th or18th time you have tried to use Tomac or Chase as a point of reference to justify Prado’s shit results… when...

This is like the 17th or18th time you have tried to use Tomac or Chase as a point of reference to justify Prado’s shit results… when they aren’t getting 24th after a top 5 start and blaming it on the bike.  Apples and oranges, period.

aees wrote:

Prado beat Tomac, and Tomac blamed results on the bike. You tell me how poor bike setup isn't affecting the results 🙄😂Its like the 25th time...

Prado beat Tomac, and Tomac blamed results on the bike. You tell me how poor bike setup isn't affecting the results 🙄😂

Its like the 25th time i years about that 24th start. 

aees wrote:

I don't think it falls on Prado if it takes Kawi a full season to get him the power he needs. I would love to know...

I don't think it falls on Prado if it takes Kawi a full season to get him the power he needs. I would love to know what they "found".

It will be very interesting to see if they managed to fix suspension also to the better this week.

I think he is behind on race fitness now because testing and riding on less than 100% because you are not comfortable is not good for it.

soggy wrote:

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help...

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help him develop the bike. Either because Jorge isn’t good at developing a setting or there is a communication barrier of some sort. I would say Jorge is responsible for communicating to the team what he wants.  And it’s both parties job to make sure they are understanding each other. 

Also when Jorge says he practices around 70% and then expects that setting to translate to race pace seems foolish. 

Richard Tease II wrote:

Remember when Yamaha bought in Chad as a team mate to help CW2 with bike set up?

Great times.

aees wrote:

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and...

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.

Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.

Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.

If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position. 

Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.

No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.

We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.

soggy wrote:

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race...

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race. Obviously practicing at race pace doesn’t guarantee a good setting either but I believe it probably gives you a better chance. 

aees wrote:

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get...

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get close to it. If you drop a few seconds a lap your setup can feel like shit. So if you ride at 70,80,90 it doesn't really matter. Important is that you know what you are looking for. 

Even setting up your bike for heat races from practise requires forward thinking, and not what the bike actually does and feel like in the moment. If you ride at 90 or 100 in that case doesn't matter.

Way to many issues with setup for people riding in race pace group/facilities for it to be so important. 

aees wrote:

I don't think it falls on Prado if it takes Kawi a full season to get him the power he needs. I would love to know...

I don't think it falls on Prado if it takes Kawi a full season to get him the power he needs. I would love to know what they "found".

It will be very interesting to see if they managed to fix suspension also to the better this week.

I think he is behind on race fitness now because testing and riding on less than 100% because you are not comfortable is not good for it.

soggy wrote:

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help...

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help him develop the bike. Either because Jorge isn’t good at developing a setting or there is a communication barrier of some sort. I would say Jorge is responsible for communicating to the team what he wants.  And it’s both parties job to make sure they are understanding each other. 

Also when Jorge says he practices around 70% and then expects that setting to translate to race pace seems foolish. 

aees wrote:

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and...

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.

Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.

Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.

If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position. 

Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.

No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.

We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.

soggy wrote:

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help...

Yea good point on the bike in the power department.  The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help him develop the bike. Either because Jorge isn’t good at developing a setting or there is a communication barrier of some sort. I would say Jorge is responsible for communicating to the team what he wants.  And it’s both parties job to make sure they are understanding each other. 

Also when Jorge says he practices around 70% and then expects that setting to translate to race pace seems foolish. 

aees wrote:

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and...

I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.

Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.

Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.

If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position. 

Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.

No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.

We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.

mxracer666 wrote:

A top-level rider (hell, most of the rest of us too...) adjusts his riding to get the most out of the bike they're on. Sure, they're...

A top-level rider (hell, most of the rest of us too...) adjusts his riding to get the most out of the bike they're on. Sure, they're always testing and trying to get better settings, but when it's time to race, you race and give it 100%.  If it's so far off from what you like, I have a hard time believing that FACTORY Kawasaki can't get it close relatively quickly.  Bob Hannah gave it 100% on the "tub of shit"  Yamaha he was saddled with in '82  (?) and won moto's.   Flame on...

soggy wrote:

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race...

My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race. Obviously practicing at race pace doesn’t guarantee a good setting either but I believe it probably gives you a better chance. 

aees wrote:

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get...

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get close to it. If you drop a few seconds a lap your setup can feel like shit. So if you ride at 70,80,90 it doesn't really matter. Important is that you know what you are looking for. 

Even setting up your bike for heat races from practise requires forward thinking, and not what the bike actually does and feel like in the moment. If you ride at 90 or 100 in that case doesn't matter.

Way to many issues with setup for people riding in race pace group/facilities for it to be so important. 

quadzrulebro wrote:

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide...

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide him with the ideal Prado package.

CPR wrote:

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different...

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different characteristics. Kawi haven’t had someone who ride’s like that in at least the past two decades, so how are they expected to have a suitable setup?
Especially considering that the current generation motor is no torque monster and likes to be revved. Think about how Ando, as well as Tomac prior to him, ride- aggressive on the throttle. Prado is the complete opposite. It should be no surprise that it’s taken Kawi and Prado awhile to figure it out. 
Now it sounds like they have, next step is to match the chassis and suspension to that engine characteristic, then I expect to see the real Jorge.

CPR wrote:

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different...

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different characteristics. Kawi haven’t had someone who ride’s like that in at least the past two decades, so how are they expected to have a suitable setup?
Especially considering that the current generation motor is no torque monster and likes to be revved. Think about how Ando, as well as Tomac prior to him, ride- aggressive on the throttle. Prado is the complete opposite. It should be no surprise that it’s taken Kawi and Prado awhile to figure it out. 
Now it sounds like they have, next step is to match the chassis and suspension to that engine characteristic, then I expect to see the real Jorge.

Motofinne wrote:

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out...

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out that Prado has gotten good starts so they don't get the issue.

But i guess it's just because this sport is technically so far off something like MotoGP and WSBK. In road racing journalists actually understand nuances and the technical parts of the racing so much better, and they are willing to understand and study it. In our sport 95% of the media people are much more interested to talk in general terms and drive engagement through topics or ridiculous arguments.

aees wrote:

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get...

Understand, my point is that they are anyway not close to race conditions, and race pace is rare at practise even if they try to get close to it. If you drop a few seconds a lap your setup can feel like shit. So if you ride at 70,80,90 it doesn't really matter. Important is that you know what you are looking for. 

Even setting up your bike for heat races from practise requires forward thinking, and not what the bike actually does and feel like in the moment. If you ride at 90 or 100 in that case doesn't matter.

Way to many issues with setup for people riding in race pace group/facilities for it to be so important. 

quadzrulebro wrote:

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide...

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide him with the ideal Prado package.

aees wrote:

I missed that Prado is the engineer that supposed to work on the engine and come up with new parts and configs. According to Vital, Kawi...

I missed that Prado is the engineer that supposed to work on the engine and come up with new parts and configs. According to Vital, Kawi is a factory team and can provide as much power as needed. Yet it took them a season to solve it.

The "we" had a difficult week is complete BS, it's some wrap it in cotton culture so no one get hurts by the actual status.

quadzrulebro wrote:

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide...

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide him with the ideal Prado package.

aees wrote:

I missed that Prado is the engineer that supposed to work on the engine and come up with new parts and configs. According to Vital, Kawi...

I missed that Prado is the engineer that supposed to work on the engine and come up with new parts and configs. According to Vital, Kawi is a factory team and can provide as much power as needed. Yet it took them a season to solve it.

The "we" had a difficult week is complete BS, it's some wrap it in cotton culture so no one get hurts by the actual status.

280driver wrote:

Yeah, the Kawi team goes around with infinite engine configurations to meet any need that might come up………If it was easy, Kawi would have fixed it...

Yeah, the Kawi team goes around with infinite engine configurations to meet any need that might come up………

If it was easy, Kawi would have fixed it quickly.  Do think they enjoy not winning and having their rider throw them under the bus in every interview?  Of course not.  As I’ve stated before, Broc said they identified the issue early on but that it was not going to be a simple to fix.

Kawi has worked hard and has resolved the problem.  Now Prado has the motor he’s been asking for.  Let’s see what he can do with it.  I hope it will pay off after all this drama.

burn1986 wrote:

 you guys are up early

CPR wrote:

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different...

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different characteristics. Kawi haven’t had someone who ride’s like that in at least the past two decades, so how are they expected to have a suitable setup?
Especially considering that the current generation motor is no torque monster and likes to be revved. Think about how Ando, as well as Tomac prior to him, ride- aggressive on the throttle. Prado is the complete opposite. It should be no surprise that it’s taken Kawi and Prado awhile to figure it out. 
Now it sounds like they have, next step is to match the chassis and suspension to that engine characteristic, then I expect to see the real Jorge.

Motofinne wrote:

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out...

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out that Prado has gotten good starts so they don't get the issue.

But i guess it's just because this sport is technically so far off something like MotoGP and WSBK. In road racing journalists actually understand nuances and the technical parts of the racing so much better, and they are willing to understand and study it. In our sport 95% of the media people are much more interested to talk in general terms and drive engagement through topics or ridiculous arguments.

CPR wrote:

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into...

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into engine building knows when you build a holeshot monster, that doesn’t mean it’ll perform how the rider wants on the rest of the track. 
I guess that’s why individuals who excel at all parts of our sport are rare. Someone like Roger comes to mind.

Motofinne wrote:

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out...

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out that Prado has gotten good starts so they don't get the issue.

But i guess it's just because this sport is technically so far off something like MotoGP and WSBK. In road racing journalists actually understand nuances and the technical parts of the racing so much better, and they are willing to understand and study it. In our sport 95% of the media people are much more interested to talk in general terms and drive engagement through topics or ridiculous arguments.

CPR wrote:

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into...

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into engine building knows when you build a holeshot monster, that doesn’t mean it’ll perform how the rider wants on the rest of the track. 
I guess that’s why individuals who excel at all parts of our sport are rare. Someone like Roger comes to mind.

GrapeApe wrote:

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came...

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came out and said the problem is between his ears, would you listen? 

CPR wrote:

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different...

It seems most are missing a very fundamental point in this argument. Prado rides low rpm, like VERY low. That requires an engine with very different characteristics. Kawi haven’t had someone who ride’s like that in at least the past two decades, so how are they expected to have a suitable setup?
Especially considering that the current generation motor is no torque monster and likes to be revved. Think about how Ando, as well as Tomac prior to him, ride- aggressive on the throttle. Prado is the complete opposite. It should be no surprise that it’s taken Kawi and Prado awhile to figure it out. 
Now it sounds like they have, next step is to match the chassis and suspension to that engine characteristic, then I expect to see the real Jorge.

Motofinne wrote:

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out...

It's insane that even industry people and media people struggle to grasp that. I listened to some podcasts and pretty much everyone is just pointing out that Prado has gotten good starts so they don't get the issue.

But i guess it's just because this sport is technically so far off something like MotoGP and WSBK. In road racing journalists actually understand nuances and the technical parts of the racing so much better, and they are willing to understand and study it. In our sport 95% of the media people are much more interested to talk in general terms and drive engagement through topics or ridiculous arguments.

CPR wrote:

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into...

Yep I’ve been surprised by some of that commentary myself, some of it from people I thought knew moto inside out. Anyone who’s ever been into engine building knows when you build a holeshot monster, that doesn’t mean it’ll perform how the rider wants on the rest of the track. 
I guess that’s why individuals who excel at all parts of our sport are rare. Someone like Roger comes to mind.

GrapeApe wrote:

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came...

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came out and said the problem is between his ears, would you listen? 

CPR wrote:

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine...

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine conversation is illogical, which is why it surprises me. 
Even if you forget about what Prado’s been saying, there’s a reason why Kawi has been quiet, while Tickle and Taka have both said there’s issues to work through.

GrapeApe wrote:

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came...

Maybe those people do know moto inside and out and just disagree with the premise of a few very emotional posters on Vital? If Roger came out and said the problem is between his ears, would you listen? 

CPR wrote:

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine...

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine conversation is illogical, which is why it surprises me. 
Even if you forget about what Prado’s been saying, there’s a reason why Kawi has been quiet, while Tickle and Taka have both said there’s issues to work through.

GrapeApe wrote:

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because...

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because of the most recent motor spec. lol

CPR wrote:

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine...

I would listen if he was inside Kawi and knew what was happening. But that’s irrelevant because much of what is being said regarding the engine conversation is illogical, which is why it surprises me. 
Even if you forget about what Prado’s been saying, there’s a reason why Kawi has been quiet, while Tickle and Taka have both said there’s issues to work through.

GrapeApe wrote:

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because...

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because of the most recent motor spec. lol

280driver wrote:

It was Prado himself that said that in the post race interview.

GrapeApe wrote:

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because...

I agree the conversation has become illogical. Someone actually said a few pages back that Prado was "bottoming out all of the place" at Ironman because of the most recent motor spec. lol

280driver wrote:

It was Prado himself that said that in the post race interview.

GrapeApe wrote:

Are you serious? 

quadzrulebro wrote:

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide...

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide him with the ideal Prado package.

Janko630 wrote:

One thing Kenny and Prado have in common:

They will never be SX Champions.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

In the 450 class*

Yes that ship has sailed for both of them. 

GrapeApe wrote:

FIM world supercross champion of the entire world

quadzrulebro wrote:

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide...

Tomac says “they” missed the setup when they have a bad race.  Jorge blames the bike and team as if their job is to magically provide him with the ideal Prado package.

toroP wrote:

If Tomac is such a team player, he’d say “we” missed the set up. Not blame the team, saying “they” had a bad race.

CPR wrote:

The argument that the bike is fine just because Phil won in Canada is ridiculous; different team, different setup, different rider. If you’ve had anything to do...

The argument that the bike is fine just because Phil won in Canada is ridiculous; different team, different setup, different rider. 
If you’ve had anything to do with mx for any length of time, surely you realise pros like, and require, different setups, sometimes vastly different, to be competitive at the elite level.

280driver wrote:

I didn’t say the bike was fine because it won the Canadian National, I said it didn’t suck.  Two different teams in two different series have...

I didn’t say the bike was fine because it won the Canadian National, I said it didn’t suck.  Two different teams in two different series have given two different  riders a bike that won or is winning that series.  That would seem to indicate a solid platform to build from right?  I’m tired of the “it’s the bike” argument.  Sounds like he’s finally got something he’s happy with so let’s see what he’s capable of now.  

MXracr157 wrote:

Let's also not forget that Mitchell Harrison has had some good results in the Nationals on a Privateer bike.......

280driver wrote:

I didn’t say the bike was fine because it won the Canadian National, I said it didn’t suck.  Two different teams in two different series have...

I didn’t say the bike was fine because it won the Canadian National, I said it didn’t suck.  Two different teams in two different series have given two different  riders a bike that won or is winning that series.  That would seem to indicate a solid platform to build from right?  I’m tired of the “it’s the bike” argument.  Sounds like he’s finally got something he’s happy with so let’s see what he’s capable of now.  

MXracr157 wrote:

Let's also not forget that Mitchell Harrison has had some good results in the Nationals on a Privateer bike.......

Dan-The-Man wrote:

He’s also been on a KX for 3 years. Mitchell Harrison might be privateer but he’s no slouch. He was pretty good as an amateur and...

He’s also been on a KX for 3 years. Mitchell Harrison might be privateer but he’s no slouch. He was pretty good as an amateur and traded wins with guys who have factory rides. Not making excuses for Prado but let’s not pretend Mitchell Harrison is a nobody who just jumped on the bike.