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Cook441 wrote:
I think first Moto Hunter rode a wide bike and Eli lost his pace. 2nd moto he was about 5 seconds back at one point behind...

I think first Moto Hunter rode a wide bike and Eli lost his pace. 2nd moto he was about 5 seconds back at one point behind Jett, he was crankung off 2:12's pretty consistently to Jetts 2:13s. He rushed a corner setting up for a pass in the next section and fell. You gotta love it! Where the Hell is Sexton!? We need him out there in the mix...Jett races smart for a 21 year old but I think Eli is gonna get him soon....

ando wrote:
Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising...

Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising this exactly the same scenario playing out again.  A fast competitor is pushing Jett but can never quite make it happen; or at least never often and consistently enough to make a difference for the series.

Eli has been great but look at the points - it’s only three rounds in and he’s already a full moto down in points.

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I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it...

I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it clearly is. He gets just enough of a gap to be comfortable and where he doesn't have to push, then ramps it up if someone gets too close, or in AP's case briefly passes him. Various pundits are still speculating on whether this is on purpose, I think we have enough data now to show it is. I think people have been perplexed by it because it's never really been seen before. Most riders try to get a much larger gap before relaxing. 

Can we put the Jett is 'maxed out' out front argument to bed please? 

I reckon his MO is sprint to the front, get a 2-3 sec gap, relax a bit and take a breather, and be ready to sprint again if challenged.  That’s what makes him so hard to break - by the time the likes of Chase, Eli or whoever have caught up he’s ready to charge again.

Of course there are times where he’s had someone on him the entire race like Pala or a few times with Chase in 2023, but his sustainable pace is just a touch faster than those guys and despite being close they barely even get a chance to show a wheel let alone make a legitimate pass.

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I was coming in here to say the same thing. There's a reason once guys get into their 30's it is more difficult for them to...

I was coming in here to say the same thing. There's a reason once guys get into their 30's it is more difficult for them to win in this sport. This is a young man's sport. Reaction times are slower, maximum heart rate decreases with age, body doesn't recover as quickly, etc. 

Eli is soooooo good. We all should relish having him out there. Jett is just consistently better right now. Watching Thunder Valley and how gnarly that track was and watching how Jett was so smooth and hitting his marks was super impressive. 

Eli has the speed but he is more on edge than Jett and that's why we keep seeing the mistakes from Eli. I feel both guys are pushing but that Eli is having to push that extra little bit that is putting him more on the edge. He will figure it out and then we should have some epic battles going forward. The racing has been good so far and I have enjoyed it! Just looking for RC4 / JS7 type racing for the rest of the season!

 

aees wrote:
31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it...

31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.

I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it. Still 200 (even if MHR actually is irrelevant).

I think experience makes up a lot for it. Setting up bikes, handling different track and trace conditions.

But one thing that many will suffer from, is that there is certainly less NFG with age. Just to aware of consequences of making a bad move. Starts for example. NFG, just hang on even if someone gets the elbow and you hook into them. With experience, you back off more often because 2/10 it will be a major cluster fuck that will hurt. But 8/10 times you will be able to salvage a decent start by just hoping for the best.

ando wrote:
30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.I think the difference in moto...

30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.

I think the difference in moto is the need to take some risks to be at the top and with age (and other responsibilities like family, future health etc) the willingness to take those risks diminishes.

Another aspect that would be interesting to understand is how reaction times are affected by age.

Specific Age-Related Changes:

Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24. 

 

Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after age 24 and accelerates as people age. 

 

Significant Slowing in Later Life: By the 60s and 70s, the slowing of reaction times becomes more pronounced. 

 

Increased Variability: Reaction times become more variable with age, meaning the difference between the fastest and slowest reaction times for an individual widens. 

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ando wrote:
Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising...

Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising this exactly the same scenario playing out again.  A fast competitor is pushing Jett but can never quite make it happen; or at least never often and consistently enough to make a difference for the series.

Eli has been great but look at the points - it’s only three rounds in and he’s already a full moto down in points.

Herr Lich wrote:
I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it...

I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it clearly is. He gets just enough of a gap to be comfortable and where he doesn't have to push, then ramps it up if someone gets too close, or in AP's case briefly passes him. Various pundits are still speculating on whether this is on purpose, I think we have enough data now to show it is. I think people have been perplexed by it because it's never really been seen before. Most riders try to get a much larger gap before relaxing. 

Can we put the Jett is 'maxed out' out front argument to bed please? 

ando wrote:
I reckon his MO is sprint to the front, get a 2-3 sec gap, relax a bit and take a breather, and be ready to sprint...

I reckon his MO is sprint to the front, get a 2-3 sec gap, relax a bit and take a breather, and be ready to sprint again if challenged.  That’s what makes him so hard to break - by the time the likes of Chase, Eli or whoever have caught up he’s ready to charge again.

Of course there are times where he’s had someone on him the entire race like Pala or a few times with Chase in 2023, but his sustainable pace is just a touch faster than those guys and despite being close they barely even get a chance to show a wheel let alone make a legitimate pass.

If your Tomac or Sexton. i can only imagine how frustrating it must be to see Jett a few bike lengths in front coming into the first corner every weekend.

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How many people believe Jett is riding around at 80%?

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He said after pala he was essentially giving it all he had 

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Jett’s the fastest man on the planet. End of story

Jet sells a

Lot of Hondas

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6/10/2025 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 6/10/2025 5:32pm

I've seen at least three corner comparison clips on IG between Jett and Eli and the difference is hard to ignore.. Obviously Eli is a 4x MX champ and when on rails, is faster than anyone on the planet, but the way Jett takes corners and breaking bumps vs Eli could not be more different. Eli slams stuff and drags the rear through the bumps and powers out while slipping the clutch, man handling the bike through the rough while Jett just effortlessly lugs and floats the bike and dances through the deep rough stuff until it's clear and powers out.

I definitely agree with a previous poster that said that it seems like Eli is punching the corners, diving in, slowing down, and diving out, while Jett seems to have better mid corner speed the entire turn if it means a slower entry speed compared to Tomac.

Whether that comes down to setup or just rider decision, it seems Jett is able to just dance through the apex consistently setting himself up for a smooth exit while Eli is moreso plowing through the track and just holding it wide open. The racing is so close this season and Eli is right there along with AP and Hunter. It's awesome to see the difference in technique and at the end of the day you have to give credit to Jett for riding like a true veteran and wicking it up when he's pressured vs riding consistent fast laps when he's out in front. 

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31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it...

31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.

I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it. Still 200 (even if MHR actually is irrelevant).

I think experience makes up a lot for it. Setting up bikes, handling different track and trace conditions.

But one thing that many will suffer from, is that there is certainly less NFG with age. Just to aware of consequences of making a bad move. Starts for example. NFG, just hang on even if someone gets the elbow and you hook into them. With experience, you back off more often because 2/10 it will be a major cluster fuck that will hurt. But 8/10 times you will be able to salvage a decent start by just hoping for the best.

ando wrote:
30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.I think the difference in moto...

30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.

I think the difference in moto is the need to take some risks to be at the top and with age (and other responsibilities like family, future health etc) the willingness to take those risks diminishes.

Another aspect that would be interesting to understand is how reaction times are affected by age.

MXRalph wrote:
Specific Age-Related Changes:Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24.  Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after...
Specific Age-Related Changes:

Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24. 

 

Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after age 24 and accelerates as people age. 

 

Significant Slowing in Later Life: By the 60s and 70s, the slowing of reaction times becomes more pronounced. 

 

Increased Variability: Reaction times become more variable with age, meaning the difference between the fastest and slowest reaction times for an individual widens. 

How dare you come here with scientifically researched data? 

No Eli hate, im actually a big fan. But this information is 100% accurate. 

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Slower to go Faster:

Jett enters the corner a lil slower vs Eli, but enters smoother and his apex, mid turn, and exit are much faster.

Eli enters the corner much faster, and harder, rougher vs Jett, and exits a lil later and slower.

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6/10/2025 8:21pm Edited Date/Time 6/11/2025 1:03am
Cook441 wrote:
I think first Moto Hunter rode a wide bike and Eli lost his pace. 2nd moto he was about 5 seconds back at one point behind...

I think first Moto Hunter rode a wide bike and Eli lost his pace. 2nd moto he was about 5 seconds back at one point behind Jett, he was crankung off 2:12's pretty consistently to Jetts 2:13s. He rushed a corner setting up for a pass in the next section and fell. You gotta love it! Where the Hell is Sexton!? We need him out there in the mix...Jett races smart for a 21 year old but I think Eli is gonna get him soon....

ando wrote:
Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising...

Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising this exactly the same scenario playing out again.  A fast competitor is pushing Jett but can never quite make it happen; or at least never often and consistently enough to make a difference for the series.

Eli has been great but look at the points - it’s only three rounds in and he’s already a full moto down in points.

Herr Lich wrote:
I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it...

I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it clearly is. He gets just enough of a gap to be comfortable and where he doesn't have to push, then ramps it up if someone gets too close, or in AP's case briefly passes him. Various pundits are still speculating on whether this is on purpose, I think we have enough data now to show it is. I think people have been perplexed by it because it's never really been seen before. Most riders try to get a much larger gap before relaxing. 

Can we put the Jett is 'maxed out' out front argument to bed please? 

Then explain Hangtown Moto 1. Jett basically said the gap was too big and he didn’t wan’t to push too hard. The gap was only 4-5 seconds to the leaders for a large chunk of that race. If he’s got so much extra to spare, why back off while only being 4-5 seconds behind?


Also, in Moto 1 at Thunder Valley he made a big mistake that lead to AP passing him. Mistakes like that are generally a result of pushing hard. He got AP back, but had a really hard time dropping him.

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aees wrote:
31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it...

31-32 is not an issue physically. Many endurance sports 28-32/33 is prime.

I'm 40+, my max HR hasn't changed in 15 years since I started measuring it. Still 200 (even if MHR actually is irrelevant).

I think experience makes up a lot for it. Setting up bikes, handling different track and trace conditions.

But one thing that many will suffer from, is that there is certainly less NFG with age. Just to aware of consequences of making a bad move. Starts for example. NFG, just hang on even if someone gets the elbow and you hook into them. With experience, you back off more often because 2/10 it will be a major cluster fuck that will hurt. But 8/10 times you will be able to salvage a decent start by just hoping for the best.

ando wrote:
30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.I think the difference in moto...

30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.

I think the difference in moto is the need to take some risks to be at the top and with age (and other responsibilities like family, future health etc) the willingness to take those risks diminishes.

Another aspect that would be interesting to understand is how reaction times are affected by age.

MXRalph wrote:
Specific Age-Related Changes:Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24.  Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after...
Specific Age-Related Changes:

Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24. 

 

Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after age 24 and accelerates as people age. 

 

Significant Slowing in Later Life: By the 60s and 70s, the slowing of reaction times becomes more pronounced. 

 

Increased Variability: Reaction times become more variable with age, meaning the difference between the fastest and slowest reaction times for an individual widens. 

Is that based on actual science and across the board?  What about outliers or individuals who maintain reaction time due to occupation/hobbies/training?

Eg Fighter pilots or F1 drivers as examples off the top of my head...Alonso and Hamilton into their 40s come to mind.

Or...GASP...elite tier MX riders.

I think we're just reaching here at this point.

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ando wrote:
Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising...

Based on the evidence of this season by itself that’s a logical take.  However when you look at the two previous 450MX series you start realising this exactly the same scenario playing out again.  A fast competitor is pushing Jett but can never quite make it happen; or at least never often and consistently enough to make a difference for the series.

Eli has been great but look at the points - it’s only three rounds in and he’s already a full moto down in points.

Herr Lich wrote:
I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it...

I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it clearly is. He gets just enough of a gap to be comfortable and where he doesn't have to push, then ramps it up if someone gets too close, or in AP's case briefly passes him. Various pundits are still speculating on whether this is on purpose, I think we have enough data now to show it is. I think people have been perplexed by it because it's never really been seen before. Most riders try to get a much larger gap before relaxing. 

Can we put the Jett is 'maxed out' out front argument to bed please? 

Then explain Hangtown Moto 1. Jett basically said the gap was too big and he didn’t wan’t to push too hard. The gap was only 4-5...

Then explain Hangtown Moto 1. Jett basically said the gap was too big and he didn’t wan’t to push too hard. The gap was only 4-5 seconds to the leaders for a large chunk of that race. If he’s got so much extra to spare, why back off while only being 4-5 seconds behind?


Also, in Moto 1 at Thunder Valley he made a big mistake that lead to AP passing him. Mistakes like that are generally a result of pushing hard. He got AP back, but had a really hard time dropping him.

I think the Hangtown race was entirely due to Jett not trusting the bike yet. He made the calculation that if he pushed as much as he needed he wouldn't be able to trust the bike.  He's a very mature and calculated rider. He has extra but he's not going to risk it unless he feels the bike will go with him - or unless he has to. 

Possibly the mistakes that led to AP passing him were due to pushing hard, but they could have been due to not feeling comfortable. Or, as Jett said, AP had better lines. As soon as Jett learned them he passed AP. 

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mx4 wrote:

How many people believe Jett is riding around at 80%?

80% no, 95% yes.

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Gajser did pass and beat Jett that panicked and try to get him back at MXoN. Both Gajser and Cohnen can hang with Jett on hardpacked, and...

Gajser did pass and beat Jett that panicked and try to get him back at MXoN. 

Both Gajser and Cohnen can hang with Jett on hardpacked, and both are great starters. Probably a bit more risk on Gajser and Cohnen but still up there.

On sand I still think Herlings (form he is arriving to) has Jett covered. 

The MXdN pass was more of a rookie misstake from Jett than a higher speed from Gajser imo. People often choose to look at one pass there and ignore the rest of the moto.

Jett passes the pit area on the first lap as 18th, he catches and passes the whole top feild including Herlings, Tomac, Prado and Tim to name a few. And while doing it he was a couple of seconds faster than anyone each lap. 

The mistake he did on the last lap was letting off and thinking that he was clear of Tim and thinking that he had given up. That's one of Jetts weaknesses. He did it a couple of times at the nationals in 23 to and let Sexon close in on him on the last lap. 

Did Tim pass Jett? - yes, is there a larger picture to that moto than the last 10 seconds of the race? - Yes... 

 

He sometimes get a bit to nonchalant regarding his competition just like the first moto this weekend when AP passed him. he was caught off guard and did not see him comming. And then he just raised the pace a little and passed him back and dropped him.

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And he's 21 and hasn't reached his final form yet. Scary. I had a young Deegsn fan tell me, yeah but Jett cant get any better...

And he's 21 and hasn't reached his final form yet. Scary. I had a young Deegsn fan tell me, yeah but Jett cant get any better. Why? But I'm just a Jett fanboy. Nope, Chase actually. I'm just not blind and let emotions dictate how analyze a rider 

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His 3rd place last weekend was a statement that he is becoming a better racer than before.He has been so good that everything beside a win...

His 3rd place last weekend was a statement that he is becoming a better racer than before.

He has been so good that everything beside a win is looked upon as a failure. I can’t imagine how it is to race with that kind of pressure to keeping all impossible stats alive. 

So him just backing down and accepting a 3rd will probably prove to be trouble for the other riders. If he normaly dominates and then has a horrible moto and is okay with securing a podium, he will be impossible to beat for a title as long as he don’t get hurt.

I was thinking about this yesterday when Weege were screaming that AP passed Jett straight up.

 How strange is it that he has been so good that one pass on him is so incredible?. A totally meaningless pass since Jett just passed him back and won proving that he could go faster if he needed to, but yet it’s talked about now like something super special. 

I mean they are not talking about beating him, they are talking about making a pass. As Tomac said, he got so excited that we was close enough to make a attempt in the next corner so he lost focus and fell instead.
 

I’m just glad tho witness history in the making. It’s more fun to see the best rider to ever swing a leg over a bike in real time instead of the history books. 

We live in a good era where we got to see both Everts, Cairoli, Herlings, RC, JS, ET and now Jett. Riders that top the stats as the best riders trough all time in GP’s and AMA.
 

Very well said mate. I'm confused my got so many down votes though.

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Very well said mate. I'm confused my got so many down votes though.

Because plenty of people want to see Jett challenged/beat by Eli and everything that point to the opposite way get downvoted. 

 

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Herr Lich wrote:
I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it...

I agree. I think we can settle the question around Jett's practice of only staying a few seconds ahead and whether it's intentional. I think it clearly is. He gets just enough of a gap to be comfortable and where he doesn't have to push, then ramps it up if someone gets too close, or in AP's case briefly passes him. Various pundits are still speculating on whether this is on purpose, I think we have enough data now to show it is. I think people have been perplexed by it because it's never really been seen before. Most riders try to get a much larger gap before relaxing. 

Can we put the Jett is 'maxed out' out front argument to bed please? 

Then explain Hangtown Moto 1. Jett basically said the gap was too big and he didn’t wan’t to push too hard. The gap was only 4-5...

Then explain Hangtown Moto 1. Jett basically said the gap was too big and he didn’t wan’t to push too hard. The gap was only 4-5 seconds to the leaders for a large chunk of that race. If he’s got so much extra to spare, why back off while only being 4-5 seconds behind?


Also, in Moto 1 at Thunder Valley he made a big mistake that lead to AP passing him. Mistakes like that are generally a result of pushing hard. He got AP back, but had a really hard time dropping him.

Herr Lich wrote:
I think the Hangtown race was entirely due to Jett not trusting the bike yet. He made the calculation that if he pushed as much as...

I think the Hangtown race was entirely due to Jett not trusting the bike yet. He made the calculation that if he pushed as much as he needed he wouldn't be able to trust the bike.  He's a very mature and calculated rider. He has extra but he's not going to risk it unless he feels the bike will go with him - or unless he has to. 

Possibly the mistakes that led to AP passing him were due to pushing hard, but they could have been due to not feeling comfortable. Or, as Jett said, AP had better lines. As soon as Jett learned them he passed AP. 

Jett said himself that AP took him by surprise, he thought it was still Hunter behind him and thought he’d gone colour blind when the front guard was orange instead of red 😆

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ando wrote:
30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.I think the difference in moto...

30 give or take a year or two is the physical prime for many male athletes - sprinters, rugby players etc.

I think the difference in moto is the need to take some risks to be at the top and with age (and other responsibilities like family, future health etc) the willingness to take those risks diminishes.

Another aspect that would be interesting to understand is how reaction times are affected by age.

MXRalph wrote:
Specific Age-Related Changes:Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24.  Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after...
Specific Age-Related Changes:

Peak Reaction Time: Reaction times tend to peak in early adulthood, around age 24. 

 

Slowing After 24: Slowing begins to be noticeable after age 24 and accelerates as people age. 

 

Significant Slowing in Later Life: By the 60s and 70s, the slowing of reaction times becomes more pronounced. 

 

Increased Variability: Reaction times become more variable with age, meaning the difference between the fastest and slowest reaction times for an individual widens. 

gerg wrote:
Is that based on actual science and across the board?  What about outliers or individuals who maintain reaction time due to occupation/hobbies/training?Eg Fighter pilots or F1...

Is that based on actual science and across the board?  What about outliers or individuals who maintain reaction time due to occupation/hobbies/training?

Eg Fighter pilots or F1 drivers as examples off the top of my head...Alonso and Hamilton into their 40s come to mind.

Or...GASP...elite tier MX riders.

I think we're just reaching here at this point.

Age and reaction time is relevant if you compare two exactly the same physical individuals at different ages. And same technique.

If one has more fast twitch muscles (studies has shown this) or just quicker reaction time in general, it will throw the comparison off.

As pointed out, F1 drivers iähas decent reactions times with high age. For myself, I'm pretty much always first across the gate despite having 20-30y added compared to the others at the gate.

There are small tricks makes a person that is slow by nature, to become ultra fast in reacting to things as starting gate that falls.

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gerg wrote:
Is that based on actual science and across the board?  What about outliers or individuals who maintain reaction time due to occupation/hobbies/training?Eg Fighter pilots or F1...

Is that based on actual science and across the board?  What about outliers or individuals who maintain reaction time due to occupation/hobbies/training?

Eg Fighter pilots or F1 drivers as examples off the top of my head...Alonso and Hamilton into their 40s come to mind.

Or...GASP...elite tier MX riders.

I think we're just reaching here at this point.

This book will explain it. https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Cortex-Neuroscience-Redefining-Athletic/dp/1101986336

It was a long read in my opinion, but I don't like baseball, so that might have effected my opinion on that. Overall the data and research presented in this book explain a lot of what you are asking about. 

This information is actually not new. I can almost assure you that the modern day, very successful 32 year old pro mx athlete had someone in their corner armed with this information and a solid understanding of the nervous system.

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aees wrote:
Age and reaction time is relevant if you compare two exactly the same physical individuals at different ages. And same technique.If one has more fast twitch...

Age and reaction time is relevant if you compare two exactly the same physical individuals at different ages. And same technique.

If one has more fast twitch muscles (studies has shown this) or just quicker reaction time in general, it will throw the comparison off.

As pointed out, F1 drivers iähas decent reactions times with high age. For myself, I'm pretty much always first across the gate despite having 20-30y added compared to the others at the gate.

There are small tricks makes a person that is slow by nature, to become ultra fast in reacting to things as starting gate that falls.

I dont think it comes down to fast/slow twitch fibers. That stuff is mostly genetic, but there is a 3rd type of muscle fiber, which is convertible to slow or fast twitch based on training stimulus. 

Im my opinion, I would rather have a predominantly slow twitch athlete with a well trained nervous system for motocross. Using the fast twitch muscle fibers come at a large metabolic cost after roughly 45 seconds.

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6/15/2025 7:47pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2025 7:48pm

We finally got what we wanted . Eli gets the start and Jett looks like Eli (almost) coming through the pack. Interesting to see who can pass who first 😎

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6/15/2025 8:27pm
mx4 wrote:
We finally got what we wanted . Eli gets the start and Jett looks like Eli (almost) coming through the pack. Interesting to see who can...

We finally got what we wanted . Eli gets the start and Jett looks like Eli (almost) coming through the pack. Interesting to see who can pass who first 😎

Hardly. We got a mudder shortened by threat of lightning 

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