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Train wreck!

pulpmx

I have confirmed that James and Aldon split with a text from....someone. Didn't sound like it was a nice split either.
Well, can't blame them. Considering the fallout of the MXdN, they had to do SOMETHING to spice up next seasons Bubba's World.
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burnside wrote:
Train wreck!

pulpmx

I have confirmed that James and Aldon split with a text from....someone. Didn't sound like it was a nice split either.
Hank_Thrill wrote:
Well, can't blame them. Considering the fallout of the MXdN, they had to do SOMETHING to spice up next seasons Bubba's World.
yikes
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I know for a fact that in the late 90s and earlier this decade there were 125 riders on prominent teams taking PEDs. Ping also mentioned HGH being in several stars refrigeraters.
couchdriver412 9/11/2010 9:17pm
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tcannon521 wrote:
No doubt RC busted his ass. HGH has a lot of benefits besides making you grow. Just like you said, the type of workouts you do...
No doubt RC busted his ass.

HGH has a lot of benefits besides making you grow. Just like you said, the type of workouts you do affect if you put on size or get leaner. Hgh helps you reach your goal, you still have to do the work.

What are the side effects to HGH that make you say it is bad.

They both were on it. We have a local doctor that specializes in it.
As far as the side effects of HGH, the list is long, just type it in google and it's out there. But heres the deal, HGH means "Human Growth Hormone" and does exactly that. The problem with it is that at this point in your life you are naturally done growing, bones etc. Now your taking somethin to grow, it's not good. Steroids make your muscles grow, HGH makes alot of stuff grow thats not supposed to anymore.

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I've seen hgh in action, it took a 6 foot 180 pound guy to 6'2", 230 lbs. real quick. Every body part he has is now 2 sizes bigger. Hands,feet, head! He looks the same from far away, but he is now a giant, his head looks like a basketball! But he says he likes it, makes him feel younger. He will be hurtin' for certain in the near future.
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let me guess he needs a new "program"
yup.. calling mamma carmicheal Wink
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A common misconception about PEDs is that the user can just shoot them in his ass and sit around on the couch and get all buff. BULLSHIT. They only help if a guy is training his butt off.

With training = 8/10

Training with PEDs = 12 / 10

Those are scientific numbers. ;p
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DanDunes818 wrote:
Tweet from Matthes. @pulpmx Rumors in the pits have it that Stewie and his trainer aldon have parted ways. Word is that soreballs going to be...
Tweet from Matthes.

@pulpmx

Rumors in the pits have it that Stewie and his trainer aldon have parted ways. Word is that soreballs going to be stewies new Apollo.
More likeJames knocks himself out before 5 rounds is up.
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couchdriver412 wrote:
OK, name some. I'm not doubting you, I just can't think of any.
tcannon521 wrote:
Hgh is one, blood doping is another. That said, a good trainer is probably doing stuff we have never heard of. Much less have tests to...
Hgh is one, blood doping is another.

That said, a good trainer is probably doing stuff we have never heard of. Much less have tests to find it!
couchdriver412 wrote:
They are not, repeat not on HGH at all. HGH stands for Human Growth Hormone and does exactly that. If somebody is 5'10" and 150lbs and...
They are not, repeat not on HGH at all. HGH stands for Human Growth Hormone and does exactly that. If somebody is 5'10" and 150lbs and has been on HGH they started out 5'9" and 120lbs and I'm sorry I just don't see any of that going on. They would not be able to cover up the weight and strength gains HGH would give them.

Now blood doping that is certainly a possibility. It's also a little sick if you ask me. How can you tell if someone is doing that?
You can't. See Manny Pacquiao. If you have the right people in your corner (trainer, fitness or conditioning expert) and cycle properly, you'll never be caught. EPO's a helluva drug.
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mxb2 9/12/2010 11:02am
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he did win 24 motos in a row.

I guess he isn't as motivated as he used to be.
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And James Stewart was 2009 Supercross Champion. The goal was accomplished last year, has everyone forgot that? In 2010 James won Anaheim 1 and was injured...
And James Stewart was 2009 Supercross Champion. The goal was accomplished last year, has everyone forgot that?

In 2010 James won Anaheim 1 and was injured at the 2nd race of the season. Unable to race the remainder of the year.

Just like the saying goes, "Your just as good as your last race" and since James has been out for just about the whole year you might not remember what the guy can do on a motorcycle when he's healthy. Thats OK because 2011 Supercross series will be here in a short 4 months and you'll be reminded soon enough.

Oh and by the way, Eric won't be taking over Aldon's role.

Yea he showed us at Unadilla 3-DNF(QUIT) NFM!
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bullpen58 wrote:
A common misconception about PEDs is that the user can just shoot them in his ass and sit around on the couch and get all buff...
A common misconception about PEDs is that the user can just shoot them in his ass and sit around on the couch and get all buff. BULLSHIT. They only help if a guy is training his butt off.

With training = 8/10

Training with PEDs = 12 / 10

Those are scientific numbers. ;p
what does 8/10 & 12/10 mean ?
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My guess (and it is only a guess) is that Aldon got sick of the extra shit. He is used to working with RC-total commitment to excellence-nothing got in the way of his training and preparation. I believe James went 24 and 0 under Aldon? Since that time, things have gone off the rails and perhaps Aldon doesn't see the focus that James needs to have.

Having a personal trainer/coach there is more than just handing you a program to do. Their expertise lie in proper training loads, recovery, diet-putting together the complete package and MAKING SURE it gets done with the highest intensity possible. Guys like Dungey are the exception, not the rule. He seems to be so highly motivated that he doesn't need someone kicking his ass to get his work done, but most of all the other "ham and eggers" out there NEED that to perform at their highest level.

It is a big risk on James part imho, but he is a big boy, and if he comes back and shreds at A1, we will all be silenced, but, but, he has a lot of work to do to regain that dominance while everyone else is putting the wood down every week and then every week end.

We know for sure that Dungey and RV will be ready! As will many other top guns.
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The real reason they parted ways......

DanDunes818 9/12/2010 2:00pm
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adamdf wrote:
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name...
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name way before he entered the mx industry if i have my facts right...
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No he wasn't. Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and...
No he wasn't.

Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and O Show couldn't be arsed with it so he gave RC Aldons name as he knew him via his MTB racing.
I'm pretty sure Jeff Spencer is who you're thinking of. Spencer worked w/Lance.
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ocscottie 9/12/2010 2:02pm
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Doesnt Aldon also work with Nicky Hayden?
DanDunes818 9/12/2010 2:05pm
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ocscottie wrote:
Doesnt Aldon also work with Nicky Hayden?
I'm pretty sure he works w/all the Hayden brothers. But yeah last I heard he is Nicky's trainer.

Edit scottie. Aldon no longer trains Nicky. He used to though. He still is the trainer for Tommy and Roger Lee Hayden though.

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One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push the body further and recover quicker. Think about that and the benefits you would see if you were an elite mx racer who just needed that little edge or to be able to train just a bit harder/longer.....

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tcannon521 9/12/2010 3:40pm
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Huckster wrote:
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push...
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push the body further and recover quicker. Think about that and the benefits you would see if you were an elite mx racer who just needed that little edge or to be able to train just a bit harder/longer.....
Impossible, everyone knows hgh only makes your "body grow!!!"

The difference is most people that take hgh use it to swell up which attracts attention to them. Truth is like every other supplement or enhancer, you use it to maximize your results in training. Whether it is for bulk, long lean muscle or a combination.

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Huckster wrote:
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push...
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push the body further and recover quicker. Think about that and the benefits you would see if you were an elite mx racer who just needed that little edge or to be able to train just a bit harder/longer.....
I agree with you on this.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and just plain ignorance about PED's, and their uses in this thread, imo.
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Look at the size RV was in 2006 and now, hes for sure gotten bigger, probably something. Also i know some people that take winstrol currently and they have put on muscle and increased in the weight when working out but you wouldnt think they were on anything, just working out more. There is probably more going on with the top guys than we know about but isnt that how almost every top sport is or was. Not sayin its right but hey
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adamdf wrote:
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name...
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name way before he entered the mx industry if i have my facts right...
englishman wrote:
No he wasn't. Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and...
No he wasn't.

Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and O Show couldn't be arsed with it so he gave RC Aldons name as he knew him via his MTB racing.
DanDunes818 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jeff Spencer is who you're thinking of. Spencer worked w/Lance.
Earlier in his career then he hooked up with Chris Carmichael.
FlickitFlat 9/12/2010 5:32pm
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You guys are way off. I heard the whole reason for the split was because he refused to quit using the shake weight. Simple as that.
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Why is this all of a sudden a PED thread? Aren't we talking about JS and Aldon parting ways? Is every pro mxer a cheater now? Maybe the lower rank 250 guys have a few extra cc's to help them out a little, but fuck? RV is bigger now b/c he has trained and matured and grown from boy to man. Not hard to figure out. All of a sudden he is on the juice?
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tcannon521 wrote:
Hgh is one, blood doping is another. That said, a good trainer is probably doing stuff we have never heard of. Much less have tests to...
Hgh is one, blood doping is another.

That said, a good trainer is probably doing stuff we have never heard of. Much less have tests to find it!
couchdriver412 wrote:
They are not, repeat not on HGH at all. HGH stands for Human Growth Hormone and does exactly that. If somebody is 5'10" and 150lbs and...
They are not, repeat not on HGH at all. HGH stands for Human Growth Hormone and does exactly that. If somebody is 5'10" and 150lbs and has been on HGH they started out 5'9" and 120lbs and I'm sorry I just don't see any of that going on. They would not be able to cover up the weight and strength gains HGH would give them.

Now blood doping that is certainly a possibility. It's also a little sick if you ask me. How can you tell if someone is doing that?
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You can't. See Manny Pacquiao. If you have the right people in your corner (trainer, fitness or conditioning expert) and cycle properly, you'll never be caught...
You can't. See Manny Pacquiao. If you have the right people in your corner (trainer, fitness or conditioning expert) and cycle properly, you'll never be caught. EPO's a helluva drug.
In the cycling world Synthetic hemoglobin " Plastic Blood " was popular at one point also Insulin Growth Factors 1 & 2 were being used widely.

Blood doping and EPO are two different things , EPO can be somewhat detected by way of monitoring guys hematocrit levels: if they either spike or gradually increase to a certain % above a persons natural level that can indicate EPO abuse.

I'm no Dr and I'm sure it can be explained a lot better by someone else but as an ex bike racer that is my recollection of EPO, I believe that is why blood doping came back in to fashion.


HGH story: when it first came in to use in the cycling world guys were abusing it big time, one very well know ex pro had his foot grow 2 sizes in one season and another's jaw grew so much he had to have an op to have it reduced - true story !
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Huckster wrote:
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push...
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push the body further and recover quicker. Think about that and the benefits you would see if you were an elite mx racer who just needed that little edge or to be able to train just a bit harder/longer.....
Outsider wrote:
I agree with you on this. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and just plain ignorance about PED's, and their uses in this thread...
I agree with you on this.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and just plain ignorance about PED's, and their uses in this thread, imo.
I agree with this. Comparing what any professional athlete could possibly be using with what is available at the local grunt club isn't gonna cut it. Multi-millionaires might have access to stuff that no one but multi-millionaires know about. When the whole Balco baseball thing came down, they were using something that wasn't even able to be tested for. This underground type of product is probably constantly one step ahead of the regulations currently in place. It isn't just steroids or hgh. It could be stuff we don't even know exists. Used to hear the same PEDs won't help a baseball player arguments as we're hearing in other endurance sports now. As for MXers getting bigger (Alessi, RV), that's what happens when you first see them as 16 year olds and they age into their 20s. Check out RJ 1982 compared to RJ 1987.
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Huckster wrote:
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push...
One of the big benefits of HGH is its ability to allow the user to recuperate from strenuous exercise/workout. Its all about being able to push the body further and recover quicker. Think about that and the benefits you would see if you were an elite mx racer who just needed that little edge or to be able to train just a bit harder/longer.....
Outsider wrote:
I agree with you on this. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and just plain ignorance about PED's, and their uses in this thread...
I agree with you on this.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and just plain ignorance about PED's, and their uses in this thread, imo.
RaceFace wrote:
I agree with this. Comparing what any professional athlete could possibly be using with what is available at the local grunt club isn't gonna cut it...
I agree with this. Comparing what any professional athlete could possibly be using with what is available at the local grunt club isn't gonna cut it. Multi-millionaires might have access to stuff that no one but multi-millionaires know about. When the whole Balco baseball thing came down, they were using something that wasn't even able to be tested for. This underground type of product is probably constantly one step ahead of the regulations currently in place. It isn't just steroids or hgh. It could be stuff we don't even know exists. Used to hear the same PEDs won't help a baseball player arguments as we're hearing in other endurance sports now. As for MXers getting bigger (Alessi, RV), that's what happens when you first see them as 16 year olds and they age into their 20s. Check out RJ 1982 compared to RJ 1987.
Exactly. Even without PED's the difference between a 16 yr old boy and a 21/22 yr old man is huge. There's allot of growing and natural muscle development in those years.

Until there's proof i will choose to believe there's no PED's in mx. You guys can believe what you want.
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adamdf wrote:
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name...
Isn't Aldon Lance Armstrong's trainer? or was? Guys like that would never come cheap, no matter what sport their athlete is in...he was an established name way before he entered the mx industry if i have my facts right...
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No he wasn't. Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and...
No he wasn't.

Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and O Show couldn't be arsed with it so he gave RC Aldons name as he knew him via his MTB racing.
DanDunes818 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jeff Spencer is who you're thinking of. Spencer worked w/Lance.
Jeff also worked with Reed in the past if I'm not mistaken...?
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englishman wrote:
No he wasn't. Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and...
No he wasn't.

Johnny O got Aldon hooked up back in the day with RC. Ricky wanted Johnny to go to all the races etc and O Show couldn't be arsed with it so he gave RC Aldons name as he knew him via his MTB racing.
DanDunes818 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jeff Spencer is who you're thinking of. Spencer worked w/Lance.
Cody24 wrote:
Jeff also worked with Reed in the past if I'm not mistaken...?
yes, and WIndham if i remember clearly, and recently RV
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couchdriver412 wrote:
Aldon probably quit James, James just embaresed him at his last race.
maybe james got tired of the clear and the cream

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