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Not sure after 30 pages what there’s still left to talk about, except people don’t seem to get the situation even though it’s been spelt out multiple times.
It wouldn’t matter if Star or Yamaha, (the different investments are all above), dropped half the 250 riders plus Craig and Cooper, they still don’t wouldn’t have the budget to cover what Tomac deserves.
Additionally- Tomac can, and will, win elsewhere, so don’t panic.
Bonus fact- JCoop is probably the best ROI in the field.
What exactly about his personal life? Yea he did some donuts but he doesn’t seem like someone who’s going to get sidetracked or off the rails on drugs or booze.
Dont think I'm not on your side, John-boy. We only have Eli for a couple more years and I want to see the best version of him possible. Thats obviously on the Yamaha. But, I see every moto insider saying Yamaha isnt bringing back Eli and then I come on the forum and its "Star will figure out how to keep him." I guess our only hope is Eli murders it this summmer and can change Star's mind. The team has a budget though so I don't see it happening
Wild to me that people watched Pala and their takeaway was that Yamaha has to find a way to sign tomac. The defending 450 SX champ showed up ready to go outdoors for a change and isn't hanging out at the lake this summer, and the biggest marketing machine moto has just dominated 250 class again and will be moving up for outdoors next year. If anything, the price they'd be willing to pay for Eli went down this weekend, not up.
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Harsh reality for some to take
You think the others don't do the work? 😂
All factory team have access to the best trainers in the world.
It's genes. They all do pretty much the same amount of training. He is just gifted with a lot of slow twitch fibers and not sensitive to heat.
I think he's just responding to the guy the guy saying Deegan is going to turn into JLaw 2.0. Haiden puts in the work and isnt getting drunk on Fridays nights and flipping rental cars.
Exactly, but yamaha doesn't! Star doesn't pay Tomac, but Yamaha does...let that sink in!
These guys all put in the work maybe some more than others. Actually when Deegan turned pro and he went to Star they did all the usual Fitness testing and discovered he's like a genetic freak, his stats as a teenager were actually insanely good. I don't remember all the details but he is gifted in that department.
He wrote "his competitors not doing the work"?
Vialle, Kitchen, Hammaker, Hymas, Shimoda and so on, not doing the work?
I don't think we have had a Jlaw or similar for quiet some time. Maybe Hill is the closest of being super talented on 250 but not putting in the right amount of work - at the right time. But last 5 years I can't remember a 250 rider that is known for "not doing the work".
Not judging, just a personal observation from an old guy who also did donuts (and worse) when he was young and had lots of energy and adrenaline he couldn't always harness and make best decisions that could affect his life later. That's all.
He could choose other pathways than drugs & booze you know..
Think Travis Pastrana. Quite possibly the Deegan ‘brand’ is bigger than this sport and he can earn more money with less work & risk.
Just an idea..
but hey, we know that 18-20 year olds take all the good advice they’re given and implement it. Just like we did right😂
Damn it, I thought I proof read his post better. Yeah, to suggest all these guys arent training their asses off is silly
Re: Webb racing outdoors, so he should. He is paid to race and be the next big dog for Yamaha right? What did Eli do after he won the 450 SX championship for Yamaha? He backed it up with an outdoor title and what should have been another SX title. This year his speed has been as good as we have seen. If I had to choose, I know who I would be locking in. Regardless, whilst I wait to hear where who he races for next year, I am going to sit back and enjoy this series, if round one is anything to go by it is going to be a good one 😀 🤟✊
That's what I've been saying
Doesn't make sense. Eli showed he's the only one currently that can match the speed of the guy that wasn't born on Earth and is the FMOTP. Deegan is an unknown on a 450.
Tomac's stock should be sky high.
Webb won the sx title. You think they should let the sx champion go in favor of Eli? Yeah Eli is a threat outdoors also but we know these teams put way more emphasis on sx. Webb is also 3yrs younger
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Let's be honest, Tomac has more speed over Webb indoors and out. Seems like that's what teams value the most these days. I'm a Webb fan but his chances of winning another indoor title are way down if all the competition is on the line.
Maybe Webb should have just gone to the lake. His fastest lap was 3 seconds slower than Eli's.
As far as I've seen, Webb is incapable of diminishing Eli's earning potential.
I’m not sure, I thought I heard that he owned upwards of like 5 car dealerships, I could be mistaken though.
Everyone's chances of winning any titles when 18 if on the line are way down. Thats why they run the races though. And Webb walked with the sx title. The past two series Yamaha paid Eli to contest he was out injured. Fans are creaming in their jorts because Eli gave Jett a run one moto. He came out hot in sx too. To be clear, I like Eli and wish he would stay on BluCru. I'm just playing devils advocate to point out its not that unthinkable Yamaha lets him go.
Thanks for guessing what I am thinking, but I meant exactly as I stated. I know it isn't popular in the age of everybody gets a trophy, and you should get an A for effort, and you deserve results for hoping or wishing, but if one rider regularly catches other riders from behind to win motos, he is doing the work others are not. I am not saying they are not working, but Deegan is obviously doing more or his competitors not enough. Obviously he is doing enough to win, and they are not. They are exhausted at motos end, Deegan is not.
That wouldn’t fall under personal life like the guy I quoted was talking about.
It's genes. And its not about quantity, but quality.
I guess if it genetic then the people Deegan is beating can sleep better at night knowing they are doing everything in their power to beat him, but there is no way they can. What a great excuse.
I just don’t buy this stuff. Brian as good as he was on a DB isn’t some kind of athletic freak. I think it mainly comes down to being prepared and also having an unwavering belief. He has beaten everyone he lines up against so many times he knows he can do it. And they know he can and likely will. If anyone wants to consistently beat him they’re gonna have to shut up, toughen up and let it rip.
Just not sure anyone hes racing really believes it. Davies is the only one I can think of that has passed him straight up and held him off.
Passed him and made it stick? Yeah, Davies. Shimoda stuffed him a couple times in sx but it didmt stick. Obviously hes the class of the field by a good bit. I'm optimistic we see some of that Shimoda from '22 mx this summer
Yea but do you think anyone will consistently be on Haiden’s level? I don’t. We’ll see flashes from Vialle at Thunder Valley and high point and Hymas in spots but no one can match his pace for 30+2 and in my opinion it’s not even really that close.
I don’t even like the kid and his whole schtick but he’s obviously pretty fucking great.
If he has peak speed, stability, starts, stamina, and the genetics on stamina, there is nothing they can do. Nothing.
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