Should Sexton "Bunch them up" in Salt Lake??

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TbonesPop wrote:
I doubt the rest of the riders would have anything to do with that crap since they saw Tomac try doing it to Dungey.  Chase's best...

I doubt the rest of the riders would have anything to do with that crap since they saw Tomac try doing it to Dungey.  Chase's best bet is to create havoc on the start and hope Coop gets caught up in a first turn pile up or something.  Even then, Coop is pretty damn savvy and skilled enough to avoid that.

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Yep, that was an ugly look for Tomac.  

You think? Dunge is my all time favorite but I wasn't bothered by it. You're definitely not alone in your opinion. I've seen many call Eli...

You think? Dunge is my all time favorite but I wasn't bothered by it. You're definitely not alone in your opinion. I've seen many call Eli a dirty rider because of it. It was just a strategy he employed. I didn't find it to be underhanded 

Ugly was the wrong word.  It just was not pretty... lol.  If I remember correctly, what struck me was how much Eli was going out of his way, changing lines in front of Dungey, slowing down etc, that just struck me as the wrong way to win a title.  

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5/5/2025 1:26am

It’s a bitch move for someone to employ this as a last ditch means because he couldn’t win heads up all year. It was a bitch move by Tomac too and his monster bedmate Reed looked bad too.

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Kevin852 wrote:

What year did the points leader run a red plate? Reed had the red plate but was not leading the points. So sometime after 2009.

FastEddy wrote:

2012  was when that started. 

I was thinking 2011?

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5/5/2025 4:33am
It’s a bitch move for someone to employ this as a last ditch means because he couldn’t win heads up all year. It was a bitch...

It’s a bitch move for someone to employ this as a last ditch means because he couldn’t win heads up all year. It was a bitch move by Tomac too and his monster bedmate Reed looked bad too.

It was such a cheap move when Eli did it.  Especially to Dungey.  Ryan was a fair competitor and a nice dude.  

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Kevin852 wrote:

What year did the points leader run a red plate? Reed had the red plate but was not leading the points. So sometime after 2009.

FastEddy wrote:

2012  was when that started. 

CPR wrote:

I was thinking 2011?

I think it was 2009 in outdoors and 12 in SX. Dunge ran it all year in 2011 as defending champ

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The problem now is that Webb can crash, get up and still get 5th in this field. 

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This might be sleep deprivation from getting home from a road trip this morning, but I think he should take it further. I'm just brainstorming some ideas here.: 

- Gaslight Coop into thinking there's another week off before SLC. 
- KTM is already in dire straights so think short term investment hail mary. Max out all the accounts and convince 2-3 top riders to break contract and join the Orange Brigade to fully utilize team tactics.
- Get a custom Alpinestars fanny pack and fill it with things to throw MarioKart style. As a bonus this would be killer promo for said fanny pack. 
- Sexton's Mechanic uses a disguise to impersonate Webb's, and holds up a pit board that says "Slow Down Dude" 
- Anchorman-style 6 vs 6 brawl in the pits. KTM vs Yamaha. Winning team gets the points. 
- Gift Webb Kierkegaard's 1843 philosophical work Fear and Trembling in order to possibly instill in him an existential crisis, making him question "is winning truly just another form of losing? Is this pursuit of achievement merely society's way of keeping you from authentic godly existence? Does true victory lie in walking away from the podium entirely?"
- Steal his handlebars

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I say F-it - bunch 'em up - make it exciting. Championship's essentially gone anyway, assuming Webb has a normal race. May as well have some fun with it. Take off in the first 10 minutes, remind everyone of your speed dominance (again) by quickly opening a large gap, then let up, bunch em up and make it fun. 

Just don't tuck the front doing it, LOL. 

 

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twotwosix wrote:

The problem now is that Webb can crash, get up and still get 5th in this field. 

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

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In 2017 @Black Diesel Bomber predicted successfully Tomac would bunch them up. I said NFW and he torched me (and others) to rub it in when his prediction came true. 🤫

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Hell yeah...make it exciting.  

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twotwosix wrote:

The problem now is that Webb can crash, get up and still get 5th in this field. 

Falcon wrote:

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

coop needs 5th or better , hes up 9 pts , 5th will give him the title by 1 pt 

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5/6/2025 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2025 2:55pm
It’s a bitch move for someone to employ this as a last ditch means because he couldn’t win heads up all year. It was a bitch...

It’s a bitch move for someone to employ this as a last ditch means because he couldn’t win heads up all year. It was a bitch move by Tomac too and his monster bedmate Reed looked bad too.

It was such a cheap move when Eli did it.  Especially to Dungey.  Ryan was a fair competitor and a nice dude.  

Why is bunching any worse of a move than what Deegan did to Davies or what Osborne did to Savatgy?  

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twotwosix wrote:

The problem now is that Webb can crash, get up and still get 5th in this field. 

Falcon wrote:

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

stewie94 wrote:

coop needs 5th or better , hes up 9 pts , 5th will give him the title by 1 pt 

You're right; I had the points structure wrong. It screwed up several of my last few posts in this season's "Math with Falcon" thread. 

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5/8/2025 7:25am
twotwosix wrote:

The problem now is that Webb can crash, get up and still get 5th in this field. 

Falcon wrote:

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

stewie94 wrote:

coop needs 5th or better , hes up 9 pts , 5th will give him the title by 1 pt 

Isn't 5th 16 points ? If so and Chase wins they would be tied on points and Chase would get the tie breaker on wins .

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5/8/2025 7:31am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 7:31am
Falcon wrote:

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

stewie94 wrote:

coop needs 5th or better , hes up 9 pts , 5th will give him the title by 1 pt 

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Isn't 5th 16 points ? If so and Chase wins they would be tied on points and Chase would get the tie breaker on wins .

5th is 17 points per the current points structure. Prior to 2018 I believe 5th was 16 points.

Currently: 25, 22, 20, 18, 17, 16, etc.

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5/8/2025 7:48am

The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? 

Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM or Kawasaki I'm not interested in signing a guy who isn't willing to commit a felony to win a championship. 

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Chase starts right beside Coop on the gate, gate drops, Chase "drifts" towards Coop and "rubs" Coop to the ground (rubbn's racing Wink ) and then sprints to the finish....

It could happen....

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AZ35 wrote:

Webb is too smart to lose at that game. 

As a Sexton fan girl, it kills me to say it - but this dude is right. Webb simply doesnt fold under pressure. Sexton has got to reel in the blunders on track. 

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5/8/2025 9:13am
Falcon wrote:

That would be a problem for Webb, because he needs 4th if Sexton wins. 😉

stewie94 wrote:

coop needs 5th or better , hes up 9 pts , 5th will give him the title by 1 pt 

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Isn't 5th 16 points ? If so and Chase wins they would be tied on points and Chase would get the tie breaker on wins .

5th is back to 17 pts cause AMA likes to fuck with shit & don’t tell a damn soul , coop needs 5th or better , 6th & worse will lose him the title 

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5/8/2025 9:22am
Kevin852 wrote:

What year did the points leader run a red plate? Reed had the red plate but was not leading the points. So sometime after 2009.

FastEddy wrote:

2012  was when that started. 

CPR wrote:

I was thinking 2011?

2011 outdoors onto current 

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5/8/2025 9:28am
McG194 wrote:
The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM...

The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? 

Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM or Kawasaki I'm not interested in signing a guy who isn't willing to commit a felony to win a championship. 

I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and take the championship away from Webb.  I don't understand all the guys here who say bunching is a dirty, bitch move, cheap move, etc.  It's just the opposite rather, because just giving up on the championship and running away at the front is simply surrendering to Webb.  Whoever is crowned champion has to overcome all adversity through 17 rounds, which means everything and anything that's thrown at him on track.  The bunch them up technique will only work if Chase is much faster and can keep it on two wheels without taking himself out.  So if you are a slower Webb, you should have to survive the chaos and spiking heart rates because you are slower.  If Webb finds speed or can avoid the carnage, then he wins the title.  Like many here say that Webb is too smart for these games, then okay let's see it in action and see how it plays out. 

Chase, if you are reading this you'll see the majority of people want to see you go after it with some strategy and aggression.  Instead of thinking you might lose credibility or respect for attempting to bunch them up, it's actually just the opposite.  People will lose respect for you not having any fight in you for a championship, and that you are too nice.  Some of these guys here claiming bitch move obviously would never win a championship because they would just give up and let Webb mail it in behind you.  Don't be that guy.  Let's see you put up a fight for the championship this weekend and if it backfires, then okay at least you tried.

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5/8/2025 9:48am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 9:48am
McG194 wrote:
The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM...

The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? 

Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM or Kawasaki I'm not interested in signing a guy who isn't willing to commit a felony to win a championship. 

Goofy Foot wrote:
I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and...

I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and take the championship away from Webb.  I don't understand all the guys here who say bunching is a dirty, bitch move, cheap move, etc.  It's just the opposite rather, because just giving up on the championship and running away at the front is simply surrendering to Webb.  Whoever is crowned champion has to overcome all adversity through 17 rounds, which means everything and anything that's thrown at him on track.  The bunch them up technique will only work if Chase is much faster and can keep it on two wheels without taking himself out.  So if you are a slower Webb, you should have to survive the chaos and spiking heart rates because you are slower.  If Webb finds speed or can avoid the carnage, then he wins the title.  Like many here say that Webb is too smart for these games, then okay let's see it in action and see how it plays out. 

Chase, if you are reading this you'll see the majority of people want to see you go after it with some strategy and aggression.  Instead of thinking you might lose credibility or respect for attempting to bunch them up, it's actually just the opposite.  People will lose respect for you not having any fight in you for a championship, and that you are too nice.  Some of these guys here claiming bitch move obviously would never win a championship because they would just give up and let Webb mail it in behind you.  Don't be that guy.  Let's see you put up a fight for the championship this weekend and if it backfires, then okay at least you tried.

I just don’t see any situation where Chase takes the time to mess with someone without it backfiring on him.

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5/8/2025 9:59am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 9:59am

Webb will play....

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5/8/2025 10:07am
McG194 wrote:
The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM...

The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? 

Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM or Kawasaki I'm not interested in signing a guy who isn't willing to commit a felony to win a championship. 

Goofy Foot wrote:
I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and...

I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and take the championship away from Webb.  I don't understand all the guys here who say bunching is a dirty, bitch move, cheap move, etc.  It's just the opposite rather, because just giving up on the championship and running away at the front is simply surrendering to Webb.  Whoever is crowned champion has to overcome all adversity through 17 rounds, which means everything and anything that's thrown at him on track.  The bunch them up technique will only work if Chase is much faster and can keep it on two wheels without taking himself out.  So if you are a slower Webb, you should have to survive the chaos and spiking heart rates because you are slower.  If Webb finds speed or can avoid the carnage, then he wins the title.  Like many here say that Webb is too smart for these games, then okay let's see it in action and see how it plays out. 

Chase, if you are reading this you'll see the majority of people want to see you go after it with some strategy and aggression.  Instead of thinking you might lose credibility or respect for attempting to bunch them up, it's actually just the opposite.  People will lose respect for you not having any fight in you for a championship, and that you are too nice.  Some of these guys here claiming bitch move obviously would never win a championship because they would just give up and let Webb mail it in behind you.  Don't be that guy.  Let's see you put up a fight for the championship this weekend and if it backfires, then okay at least you tried.

TeamGreen wrote:

I just don’t see any situation where Chase takes the time to mess with someone without it backfiring on him.

Ha ha!  While I tend to agree, this is one of those situations where it would be a huge surprise to Webb, and would be the best opportunity for Chase to play Webb's own head games against him.  Chase doesn't have the pressure in this cat and mouse situation, while Webb would be under major pressure and be asking himself  "WTF, Chase is actually going to fight me for this?"  It would be the surprise attack that could throw him off his game.

As strong as Webb is mentally, anything could happen in this situation as Webb is still human.  I agree it could backfire on Chase, but no one will ever know unless he tries it.  I would like to see Chase put up a fight, oh how fun it would be to watch.

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5/8/2025 10:10am
Magoofan wrote:

Webb will play....

I know and how fun would it be to watch?  Webb is a bulldog while Sexton is the toy poodle. It would be nice for Chase to surprise us all.

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McG194 wrote:
The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM...

The question shouldn't be if he is willing to bunch them up but what is he willing to do to Webb? 

Unpopular opinion but if I'm KTM or Kawasaki I'm not interested in signing a guy who isn't willing to commit a felony to win a championship. 

Goofy Foot wrote:
I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and...

I don't necessarily think Sexton needs to be "dirty" toward Webb, but I do wish he would use an aggressive strategy this weekend to try and take the championship away from Webb.  I don't understand all the guys here who say bunching is a dirty, bitch move, cheap move, etc.  It's just the opposite rather, because just giving up on the championship and running away at the front is simply surrendering to Webb.  Whoever is crowned champion has to overcome all adversity through 17 rounds, which means everything and anything that's thrown at him on track.  The bunch them up technique will only work if Chase is much faster and can keep it on two wheels without taking himself out.  So if you are a slower Webb, you should have to survive the chaos and spiking heart rates because you are slower.  If Webb finds speed or can avoid the carnage, then he wins the title.  Like many here say that Webb is too smart for these games, then okay let's see it in action and see how it plays out. 

Chase, if you are reading this you'll see the majority of people want to see you go after it with some strategy and aggression.  Instead of thinking you might lose credibility or respect for attempting to bunch them up, it's actually just the opposite.  People will lose respect for you not having any fight in you for a championship, and that you are too nice.  Some of these guys here claiming bitch move obviously would never win a championship because they would just give up and let Webb mail it in behind you.  Don't be that guy.  Let's see you put up a fight for the championship this weekend and if it backfires, then okay at least you tried.

TeamGreen wrote:

I just don’t see any situation where Chase takes the time to mess with someone without it backfiring on him.

You might be right, but no one will know unless he tries it.  And if he doesn't, he'll continue to be known as the nice guy who throws away championship opportunities with mistakes, so what does he have to lose other than some bonus money for a win?  I would rather gamble and take a shot at the title and go for it, because there's actually a chance of him taking it.  Eli nearly pulled it off in Vegas.

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5/8/2025 10:39am

^Chase will still have to win, though. That's the razor's edge he'll have to contend with. Bunching up the competition only helps if a grip of dudes get in front of Webb and he still takes the W. 

5/8/2025 10:45am
stewie94 wrote:
5th is back to 17 pts cause AMA likes to fuck with shit & don’t tell a damn soul , coop needs 5th or better...

5th is back to 17 pts cause AMA likes to fuck with shit & don’t tell a damn soul , coop needs 5th or better , 6th & worse will lose him the title 

That is assuming Chase wins. If Chase wins, Webb has to get 5th or better. If Chase finishes 2nd, Webb needs 8th or better. If Chase finishes 3rd, Webb needs 10th or better. 

Chase needs to ride his own race. Playing games to screw with Webb could easily let the win slip away. His best chance of getting the championship is to win the race and hope Webb has some bad luck.

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5/8/2025 10:52am
AZ35 wrote:

Webb is too smart to lose at that game. 

Spurdo wrote:
As a Sexton fan girl, it kills me to say it - but this dude is right. Webb simply doesnt fold under pressure. Sexton has got...

As a Sexton fan girl, it kills me to say it - but this dude is right. Webb simply doesnt fold under pressure. Sexton has got to reel in the blunders on track. 

Fellow Chase fangirl here and I agree. Chase needed to channel his inner Stewart and be the COW in Pittsburgh. Checkers or wreckers. With the points how they were, the season hung on that race. Coop is too good for any of these armchair quarterback strategies to beat him. Go win the race Chase and let the chips fall where they may

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