Is Webb and Chase closing the gap, or will Jett maintain the edge?

4/2/2025 6:07pm

Didn’t Chase win round 2?

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I didn’t mean to imply that the three top guys were missing. Three of the top guys. Sexton is absolutely one of the top guys. As is...

I didn’t mean to imply that the three top guys were missing. Three of the top guys. 
Sexton is absolutely one of the top guys. As is Web. 
Anderson and maybe Barcia could win races. 
Roczen has the speed, but that shoulder, and lack of endurance in SX makes outdoor victory unlikely in my mind. Is he racing MX?

We're talking about mx right? What have you people been watching the past decade,? Webb isn't a top mx rider. Chase, Jett, and Eli will put 30 seconds on him easy. Most likely Prado too

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4/2/2025 6:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2025 6:58pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he...

Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he was/is the fastest rider on the planet right now, when healthy, but he is beatable.

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

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I believe Spoonguy probably meant Jett hasn’t finished an entire 450 SX/MX season, all 31 races.

But it’s early…

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4/2/2025 7:12pm

We all know Jett is a freak on a bike. He looks fast and it’s effortless. With that said I think if you look at the 24 season, Chase first year KTM, Tomac coming off injury and Webb first year back on the Yamaha. Not taking away from the guy but I don’t think they have raced each other at their respective best.

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4/2/2025 7:17pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he...

Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he was/is the fastest rider on the planet right now, when healthy, but he is beatable.

You mean apart from the season he went undefeated in 450 MX, and the 450 SX championship he won in his rookie season? 

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4/2/2025 8:47pm

Chase seems  to be going slower and  making more mistakes.

If jett n eli where still on the gate then.  Webb n Cooper would be fighting for 3rd

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4/2/2025 9:44pm
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Chase seems  to be going slower and  making more mistakes.If jett n eli where still on the gate then.  Webb n Cooper would be fighting for...

Chase seems  to be going slower and  making more mistakes.

If jett n eli where still on the gate then.  Webb n Cooper would be fighting for 3rd

Yeah 3rd at a pro am maybe if he’s on that day . 

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4/3/2025 1:21am
Spoonguy wrote:
Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he...

Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he was/is the fastest rider on the planet right now, when healthy, but he is beatable.

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

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I believe Spoonguy probably meant Jett hasn’t finished an entire 450 SX/MX season, all 31 races.

But it’s early…

Who has finished an entire season without missing a race in the last few years? Can’t be too many of them.

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4/3/2025 1:26am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2025 1:28am
CPR wrote:
The gap to Sexton will be closed with Jett being off the bike for so long. Webb not so much, he hasn’t ever really been a serious...

The gap to Sexton will be closed with Jett being off the bike for so long. 
Webb not so much, he hasn’t ever really been a serious championship contender outdoors on a 450.

Herr Lich wrote:

You mean 'he's never been a serious championship contender outdoors on a 450'.

Considering Webb’s best ever outdoors 450 season was 4th overall in 2021, nearly 200 points behind Ferrandis, yeah he hasn’t been a serious contender.

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4/3/2025 2:47am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2025 2:48am
"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

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I believe Spoonguy probably meant Jett hasn’t finished an entire 450 SX/MX season, all 31 races.

But it’s early…

CPR wrote:

Who has finished an entire season without missing a race in the last few years? Can’t be too many of them.

It's been a tough couple last years with injuries among the top guys, that's for sure. I think the only top rider that has made almost every race between 2016 and 2022 was Tomac, but even he had some real bad luck over the last years. The level and speed seems to have elevated in the last years, specially with Chase and Jett in the 450 class, which at the same time results in more injuries than ever? Maybe that's just me idk.

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4/3/2025 3:16am

I reckon Tomac was the fastest in SX this year but had shit luck. Outdoors he will be a beast after a few rounds.

Chase is a headcase!

Jett has 6 weeks on the bike before R1 and going off SMX last year I think he will be the one to beat.

7 titles, 22-0, 21 yrs old and a freak.

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4/3/2025 4:33am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2025 4:34am
Spoonguy wrote:
Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he...

Since des Nations, Jett has been beat by Gasjer, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class. No doubt he was/is the fastest rider on the planet right now, when healthy, but he is beatable.

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

al2 86801-1320621367

I believe Spoonguy probably meant Jett hasn’t finished an entire 450 SX/MX season, all 31 races.

But it’s early…

Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has never done that because he yet to complete a full SX/MX season.....yet. Of course, winning all your motos in an MX season, like Jett, is pretty dominant, yet Roczen beat him in SMX and the des nations that same season? So yeah, Ward, Johnson, Stanton, Hannah, McGrath, RC, Emig, Bayle all won both titles in a season. Perhaps that can be credited to the tracks, bikes, or even the toughness of the riders (Ward won a title with a broken ankle), but it still happened. Perhaps RC was/is the last to do it?

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4/3/2025 4:39am
Spoonguy wrote:
Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has...

Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has never done that because he yet to complete a full SX/MX season.....yet. Of course, winning all your motos in an MX season, like Jett, is pretty dominant, yet Roczen beat him in SMX and the des nations that same season? So yeah, Ward, Johnson, Stanton, Hannah, McGrath, RC, Emig, Bayle all won both titles in a season. Perhaps that can be credited to the tracks, bikes, or even the toughness of the riders (Ward won a title with a broken ankle), but it still happened. Perhaps RC was/is the last to do it?

Tomac ‘22

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4/3/2025 5:32am
LP31 wrote:
I reckon Tomac was the fastest in SX this year but had shit luck. Outdoors he will be a beast after a few rounds.Chase is a...

I reckon Tomac was the fastest in SX this year but had shit luck. Outdoors he will be a beast after a few rounds.

Chase is a headcase!

Jett has 6 weeks on the bike before R1 and going off SMX last year I think he will be the one to beat.

7 titles, 22-0, 21 yrs old and a freak.

Just like I said, chase is a crapshoot.

(Which set off the usual suspects around here)

He can always be the one to beat.

Or he can always be his own worst enemy. 

 

Jett will, hopefully, not fall victim to these freak injuries that have been taking out our top riders. 

If he stays healthy, look out.

That's just the way it is. 

 

Sit back and watch. 

A battle like the San Diego SX would be awesome. 

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4/3/2025 5:58am

What's everyone's opinions on Jett maintaining his unbeaten streak at Pala? I'm more doubtful than optimistic but he proved a lot of doubters wrong at SMX1 last year. Would be incredible if he did. 

4/3/2025 6:32am
Spoonguy wrote:
Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has...

Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has never done that because he yet to complete a full SX/MX season.....yet. Of course, winning all your motos in an MX season, like Jett, is pretty dominant, yet Roczen beat him in SMX and the des nations that same season? So yeah, Ward, Johnson, Stanton, Hannah, McGrath, RC, Emig, Bayle all won both titles in a season. Perhaps that can be credited to the tracks, bikes, or even the toughness of the riders (Ward won a title with a broken ankle), but it still happened. Perhaps RC was/is the last to do it?

Tomac ‘22

Yup. Dunge '10, 15. RV '11 and '13

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4/3/2025 6:33am

I'm blown away Jett is almost back on the bike and will have some actual seat and prep time before mx starts. How can you bet against him considering that. Even if he plays it a little safe to start the first couple rounds

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4/3/2025 6:40am

Would one of you fellers that can read the future mind giving me the winning lottery numbers?  I'd really appreciate it.

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4/3/2025 7:49am

How many motos will Dean Wilson win outdoors? 

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4/3/2025 9:22am
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Remember last year when Chase won outdoors and people here were yapping about how he hit a new high and how Jett will have a tough...

Remember last year when Chase won outdoors and people here were yapping about how he hit a new high and how Jett will have a tough time beating him again? We know what happened when he came back for SMX. I feel like the only real enemy to Jett.. will be Jett.

Really interested though where Prado slots in between Jett, Chase & Tomac. It sucks sooo much that Jett, Prado & Tomac all come in with limited or basically no real seat time, why can't the moto gods give us at least one outdoor season with everyone at 100%? 😭

Because deathcross is a joke. it is only filler for the winter until real moto starts..thats my shitty opinion anyway

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4/3/2025 9:33am

Glad to see most people have come around to the level Jett is at. Which is a level nobody else is at. Yeah he got beat on his bad days by guys on their best days. Overall the dude remains the guy to beat in SX & MX, hell at this point your favorite rider would say the same thing

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4/3/2025 9:47am
"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

"He hasn't completed a season since joining the 450 class."

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I believe Spoonguy probably meant Jett hasn’t finished an entire 450 SX/MX season, all 31 races.

But it’s early…

CPR wrote:

Who has finished an entire season without missing a race in the last few years? Can’t be too many of them.

I think it’s just the difference in how far up you climb the record books. RV only had two full 450 seasons and his win/title counts show. He’s probably should have gotten within 1 or 2 titles of RC. Tomac probably should be in the 60s in SX wins but hasn’t completed the last few. 

You can still end up in the 8-9 title range missing some series but it’s harder to get over that hump the more you miss.

But like I said, it’s early. He’s in his 3rd 450 year, so think RC in 2001. Lots of time left.

4/3/2025 11:35am
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Remember last year when Chase won outdoors and people here were yapping about how he hit a new high and how Jett will have a tough...

Remember last year when Chase won outdoors and people here were yapping about how he hit a new high and how Jett will have a tough time beating him again? We know what happened when he came back for SMX. I feel like the only real enemy to Jett.. will be Jett.

Really interested though where Prado slots in between Jett, Chase & Tomac. It sucks sooo much that Jett, Prado & Tomac all come in with limited or basically no real seat time, why can't the moto gods give us at least one outdoor season with everyone at 100%? 😭

Because deathcross is a joke. it is only filler for the winter until real moto starts..thats my shitty opinion anyway

I'm with you buddy

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4/3/2025 11:39am

I don't care who wins outdoors. I'm just so happy we get to see Jett and Eli line up together for an outdoor season!! I'll definitely be hitting a couple Nationals to see it. Chase vs Eli vs Jet vs Prado. Let's fucking go!!

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4/3/2025 11:44am
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Glad to see most people have come around to the level Jett is at. Which is a level nobody else is at. Yeah he got beat...

Glad to see most people have come around to the level Jett is at. Which is a level nobody else is at. Yeah he got beat on his bad days by guys on their best days. Overall the dude remains the guy to beat in SX & MX, hell at this point your favorite rider would say the same thing

Webb is the only one not shy too

4/3/2025 12:33pm
Chase HAS to be throwing all his mental and physical efforts at SX right now, to try and get that championship wrapped up. Whilst Jett will be...

Chase HAS to be throwing all his mental and physical efforts at SX right now, to try and get that championship wrapped up. 

Whilst Jett will be 100% focused on outdoors. 

For this reason alone, I think Jett has the edge going outdoors this summer. 

Webb will be burned out come Outddors. No threat to those two. 

Isn't Jett still mending? Not sure how he can get a head start.

He’ll be training already. 
He’ll be rested. He’ll be mentally fresh. Zero physical fatigue. With a total mental focus on outdoors and a fresh start. He’ll be excited. 
He’ll have done more outdoor hours in 2025 than Chase come rd.1. 

Whilst on the other hand, Chase will be a bit fatigued, mentally stressed, and current mindset has to be on SX and SX bike set up. 

 

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I personally think Tomac will be more of a threat outdoors to Jett than Chase and certainly Webb. That is, if he is back to the level he was at in the first few rounds of SX. That dude could definitely win a few motos this summer.

I think Chase vs Jett will be the same story as its been for the past couple of years. Perhaps Chase will have an edge on him at the start of the series if Jett isn't 100% yet, but I just think Jett firing on all cylinders is slightly better than Chase, and knows how to maintain that slight gap just enough to win.

Webb won't be a factor outdoors compared those guys. I would be surprised if he got multiple overall podiums, tbh. Supercross? Yeah, he can keep a series close with anybody, including Jett.

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4/3/2025 4:46pm
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Would one of you fellers that can read the future mind giving me the winning lottery numbers?  I'd really appreciate it.

The winning number will be...

2,7,19,23,36-7

but I can't tell you the date they will be drawn.

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4/3/2025 5:08pm
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Would one of you fellers that can read the future mind giving me the winning lottery numbers?  I'd really appreciate it.

The winning number will be...

2,7,19,23,36-7

but I can't tell you the date they will be drawn.

You're useless as hip pockets on a hog.🙃

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Spoonguy wrote:
Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has...

Thanks Ringo, I have a problem not clarifying myself. I guess I just remember dominant riders winning the SX/MX championships in the same season. Jett has never done that because he yet to complete a full SX/MX season.....yet. Of course, winning all your motos in an MX season, like Jett, is pretty dominant, yet Roczen beat him in SMX and the des nations that same season? So yeah, Ward, Johnson, Stanton, Hannah, McGrath, RC, Emig, Bayle all won both titles in a season. Perhaps that can be credited to the tracks, bikes, or even the toughness of the riders (Ward won a title with a broken ankle), but it still happened. Perhaps RC was/is the last to do it?

Tomac ‘22

Bingo

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4/3/2025 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2025 7:13pm

Eli is preparing also, 'I'll bet the farm Tomac can take a moto off Jett.  Past that, I just I hope for good competition throughout the series.

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