Will new Auto Tariffs impact dirtbikes?

thearc wrote:

News say 25% Tarrifs on all non US made vehicles and parts. Is off-road included in this? Couldn’t see anything about that specifically. 

burn1986 wrote:

Maybe this will spur manufacturers to make motorcycles in the US.

scott_nz wrote:

are you saying ATK and cannondales are coming back ?

The real Sasquatch wrote:

I did not mean to infer anything political  as far as blaming a certain person as far as the Chinese cars.  I was saying that the...

I did not mean to infer anything political  as far as blaming a certain person as far as the Chinese cars.  I was saying that the Chinese EV's are really really good, and THAT was a big reason they( They being non Chinese auto makers who lobby and have influence on policy makers) did not want them to be able to be imported  and sold at retail so cheaply.  It would likely drastically impact the sales of US brands if they really are as good as it seemed in the video. And at the prices that they would be.  

 

If anything I would say the US auto makers are behind the Tarif's on the Chinese cars because they are getting so good, and would be able to sell them so cheaply.  

 

It goes back to what I have been saying about electric Vehicles , that they have the potential to be really inexpensive compared to gas vehicles.  All it would take is a couple brands that have a large range of vehicles they can spread R&D over and share the same basic motors and batteries over the entire range of vehicles. That cuts the number of parts that need to be made down dramatically and the number of model specific parts goes down. So the cost of building the vehicles go down. And if prices stay the same as current ICE vehicles then profit margins go way up. 

 

  I forgot to add to my original post about the cars, the Electrics  also have a lifetime warranty on the battery and motor.  

 

 In this case I can understand the reasoning behind the Tariffs . They help the US auto makers.  

Herr Lich wrote:

It would be good if the US car manufacturers competed not through lobbying to have tariffs implemented but by building better cars. 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

I agree.   I don't like the idea of the EV Tarif's .   Of the US vehicles, the Tesla EV's are the best from what...

I agree.   I don't like the idea of the EV Tarif's .   Of the US vehicles, the Tesla EV's are the best from what I have heard. I'm not super into electric cars like I am into electric MX bikes. So I'm not as in the know.  But the people I know that have had Tesla's say that the quality is not great. The coolness, the charging network and performance seems to be what sells Tesla over other EV's.  

 I have heard really good things about the build quality on the new Hummer and Silverado EV's . 

After seeing that video, I know that a Chinese car maker can make similar quality at half the cost. And including the lifetime battery and motor warranty.  On the video they say that if the battery drops below 80% capacity while the original owner owns it, they replace the battery.  I was thinking that would be considered wear and tear by a certain point.  If not, I can totally see why the US Automakers would be doing whatever they could to keep them out. But I agree that it would be better if they made better cars and were able  to reduce the prices too. Or just make them so the price is worth it. 

Moto Nomad wrote:

Trump is a master bluffer. I doubt this is made permanent.

Nairb#70 wrote:

The art of the deal.

Moto Nomad wrote:

Trump is a master bluffer. I doubt this is made permanent.

Nairb#70 wrote:

The art of the deal.

scott_nz wrote:

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa...

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa, im surprised none of them ever assembled any dirt bike in the USA, 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Tesla was losing market share to Chinese manufacturers outside the US before the tariffs, companies like BYD are selling a better product at a lower price...

Tesla was losing market share to Chinese manufacturers outside the US before the tariffs, companies like BYD are selling a better product at a lower price than Tesla.

Last2Stroke wrote:

Tesla was losing market share to Chinese manufacturers outside the US before the tariffs, companies like BYD are selling a better product at a lower price...

Tesla was losing market share to Chinese manufacturers outside the US before the tariffs, companies like BYD are selling a better product at a lower price than Tesla.

wfopete wrote:

Please define what makes it a "Better Product" 

wfopete wrote:

Fast charging is only one metric and AFAIK unproven to the general public at this time.   Parts, dealership support, reliability and maintenance cost?

endurox wrote:

EU waves white flag on import duties so issues will be worked out behind closed doors. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-waves-white-flag-eu-prepares-t…

endurox wrote:

EU waves white flag on import duties so issues will be worked out behind closed doors. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-waves-white-flag-eu-prepares-t…

wfopete wrote:

That's the whole reasoning to Trump's game.  Get their attention and make a deal or we can make this difficult. 

endurox wrote:

EU waves white flag on import duties so issues will be worked out behind closed doors. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-waves-white-flag-eu-prepares-t…

wfopete wrote:

That's the whole reasoning to Trump's game.  Get their attention and make a deal or we can make this difficult. 

whateversclever69 wrote:

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important...

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important more now than ever.  Articles like that are damaging for people who take an op-ed piece by someone hiding behind a fictional characters name. 

There are several regurgitated articles with the same info on other websites without any credibility such as 

Rockriverpatriots.com

News Ammo Conservative News

Etc etc

This is damaging.  These sources of “information” IE confirmation bias Op-Ed sites fuel so much hatred and divide between groups of people who ultimately want the same thing.  I dont care if you’re right or left or up or down.  We all want financial security, safety, freedom to live and be ourselves, and to know the truth.  Filtering out reality and trying to see each other as human is the next step in this spaced out polarized political world.  

I vote and when the leaders I voted for do something problematic or that I don’t agree with I vocalize that I don’t approve of it and if they continue to do so I vocalize that I don’t approve of them. This is important. Protecting yourself by continuing to try to convince other people (and you) that someone is right just because you voted for them ain’t it.  If they’re doing something harmful you have to have the accountability to say hey I voted for this person and do not approve of what he’s doing right now.

wfopete wrote:

That's the whole reasoning to Trump's game.  Get their attention and make a deal or we can make this difficult. 

whateversclever69 wrote:

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important...

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important more now than ever.  Articles like that are damaging for people who take an op-ed piece by someone hiding behind a fictional characters name. 

There are several regurgitated articles with the same info on other websites without any credibility such as 

Rockriverpatriots.com

News Ammo Conservative News

Etc etc

This is damaging.  These sources of “information” IE confirmation bias Op-Ed sites fuel so much hatred and divide between groups of people who ultimately want the same thing.  I dont care if you’re right or left or up or down.  We all want financial security, safety, freedom to live and be ourselves, and to know the truth.  Filtering out reality and trying to see each other as human is the next step in this spaced out polarized political world.  

I vote and when the leaders I voted for do something problematic or that I don’t agree with I vocalize that I don’t approve of it and if they continue to do so I vocalize that I don’t approve of them. This is important. Protecting yourself by continuing to try to convince other people (and you) that someone is right just because you voted for them ain’t it.  If they’re doing something harmful you have to have the accountability to say hey I voted for this person and do not approve of what he’s doing right now.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them...

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them or whatever. And when somebody else points out an issue. A lot of peoples reflex is to defend  instead of taking a look at the actions  that are being criticized.  

 I think these posts are getting way too close to political to stick around for too long. And I agree with the policy that Vital has on that. 

So many of us would get along great if we were to meet in person. We all have a ton in common, yet so many people are letting the stuff they disagree on keep them from working together on what they agree on. And just like how we all argue on here, but have a ton in common. I believe that most people do all want the same things, and agree on a lot of what they feel is wrong. But they are letting the stuff they disagree on be used by politicians to divide us and  argue with each other. Instead of holding them accountable.  

 

I will never agree 100% with everything somebody else is doing or thinking. And I doubt anybody else would. Its insane how black and white politicians are trying to make things. You can dislike person A but not be all in on person B. But they are trying to make it sound like those are the only options. Love 100% or Hate 100%. Crazy how many people are falling into that line of thinking. Most of the things that get talked about ,about the party You ( as in the general person not anybody specific) disagree with are the people on the extreme sides of that party and are a minority in my opinion. 

 

And chances are, just like how we all would get along great in person. Chances are that the average left or right voters would also get along and agree on the bigger stuff in person if they talked and left party names out of the conversations.     

scott_nz wrote:

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa...

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa, im surprised none of them ever assembled any dirt bike in the USA, 

whateversclever69 wrote:

Based on this thread, folks seem pretty upset with those responsible for tariffs and price increases.  Is that fair to say? My social circle has different...

Based on this thread, folks seem pretty upset with those responsible for tariffs and price increases.  Is that fair to say? My social circle has different political opinions than most motocross folks I interact with so I’m always curious to hear several sides.  

In a gypsy tales podcast, Deegans mechanic implied that Yamaha upper management came into a trailer and told him “if you want our sport to continue to exist you’d better vote the right way (trump implied)”.  Wondering if a 15% unnecessary price increase is what the title manufacturer had in mind to keep the sport alive.

scott_nz wrote:

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa...

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa, im surprised none of them ever assembled any dirt bike in the USA, 

whateversclever69 wrote:

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important...

You posted an article from a website called zerohedge.com written by “Tyler Durden”.  This is not a credible source of information.  Citing credible sources are important more now than ever.  Articles like that are damaging for people who take an op-ed piece by someone hiding behind a fictional characters name. 

There are several regurgitated articles with the same info on other websites without any credibility such as 

Rockriverpatriots.com

News Ammo Conservative News

Etc etc

This is damaging.  These sources of “information” IE confirmation bias Op-Ed sites fuel so much hatred and divide between groups of people who ultimately want the same thing.  I dont care if you’re right or left or up or down.  We all want financial security, safety, freedom to live and be ourselves, and to know the truth.  Filtering out reality and trying to see each other as human is the next step in this spaced out polarized political world.  

I vote and when the leaders I voted for do something problematic or that I don’t agree with I vocalize that I don’t approve of it and if they continue to do so I vocalize that I don’t approve of them. This is important. Protecting yourself by continuing to try to convince other people (and you) that someone is right just because you voted for them ain’t it.  If they’re doing something harmful you have to have the accountability to say hey I voted for this person and do not approve of what he’s doing right now.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them...

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them or whatever. And when somebody else points out an issue. A lot of peoples reflex is to defend  instead of taking a look at the actions  that are being criticized.  

 I think these posts are getting way too close to political to stick around for too long. And I agree with the policy that Vital has on that. 

So many of us would get along great if we were to meet in person. We all have a ton in common, yet so many people are letting the stuff they disagree on keep them from working together on what they agree on. And just like how we all argue on here, but have a ton in common. I believe that most people do all want the same things, and agree on a lot of what they feel is wrong. But they are letting the stuff they disagree on be used by politicians to divide us and  argue with each other. Instead of holding them accountable.  

 

I will never agree 100% with everything somebody else is doing or thinking. And I doubt anybody else would. Its insane how black and white politicians are trying to make things. You can dislike person A but not be all in on person B. But they are trying to make it sound like those are the only options. Love 100% or Hate 100%. Crazy how many people are falling into that line of thinking. Most of the things that get talked about ,about the party You ( as in the general person not anybody specific) disagree with are the people on the extreme sides of that party and are a minority in my opinion. 

 

And chances are, just like how we all would get along great in person. Chances are that the average left or right voters would also get along and agree on the bigger stuff in person if they talked and left party names out of the conversations.     

whateversclever69 wrote:

Could not agree more man.  Big respect! We gotta keep trying to see each other as people and hold our empathy for one another.  

scott_nz wrote:

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa...

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa, im surprised none of them ever assembled any dirt bike in the USA, 

davis224 wrote:

I've always wondered this, does it have to do with the volume of units sold (not worth it to bring the molds over and devote a...

I've always wondered this, does it have to do with the volume of units sold (not worth it to bring the molds over and devote a line to a couple thousand units)? Trying to keep the cost down on an already expensive bike maybe, but what is the comparison of Japanese labor costs to American?

scott_nz wrote:

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa...

all the japanese manufactures have plants in the USA to build ATV and other models,   with the amount of dirt bikes sold in the usa, im surprised none of them ever assembled any dirt bike in the USA, 

davis224 wrote:

I've always wondered this, does it have to do with the volume of units sold (not worth it to bring the molds over and devote a...

I've always wondered this, does it have to do with the volume of units sold (not worth it to bring the molds over and devote a line to a couple thousand units)? Trying to keep the cost down on an already expensive bike maybe, but what is the comparison of Japanese labor costs to American?

scott_nz wrote:

id guess its more to do with how many are sold in north america compared to the rest of the world,  ATV and Watercraft are very...

id guess its more to do with how many are sold in north america compared to the rest of the world,  ATV and Watercraft are very much north american dominated market wise, so it makes sense to build them there, 

id doubt the japanese labour costs are much cheaper than the USA, 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Details haven't been announced, a tariff may not be added, if a 25% tariff is added, it will be added to the imported cost, including shipping...

Details haven't been announced, a tariff may not be added, if a 25% tariff is added, it will be added to the imported cost, including shipping into the US, but excluding warehousing, transport and dealer fees in the US, so price increase would be closer to 15%.

thearc wrote:

Detailed answer. Thanks. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

2025 model year Japanese bikes won't be affected, they have already been imported, I don't know about Austrian bikes. If a tariff is applied it would...

2025 model year Japanese bikes won't be affected, they have already been imported, I don't know about Austrian bikes. If a tariff is applied it would effect 2026 model bikes.

Hcallz5 wrote:

This weeks tariffs might not but next weeks might.  

The real Sasquatch wrote:

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them...

This post gives me hope .   I think that sometimes the reflex is to defend the guy You had agreed with because You liked them or whatever. And when somebody else points out an issue. A lot of peoples reflex is to defend  instead of taking a look at the actions  that are being criticized.  

 I think these posts are getting way too close to political to stick around for too long. And I agree with the policy that Vital has on that. 

So many of us would get along great if we were to meet in person. We all have a ton in common, yet so many people are letting the stuff they disagree on keep them from working together on what they agree on. And just like how we all argue on here, but have a ton in common. I believe that most people do all want the same things, and agree on a lot of what they feel is wrong. But they are letting the stuff they disagree on be used by politicians to divide us and  argue with each other. Instead of holding them accountable.  

 

I will never agree 100% with everything somebody else is doing or thinking. And I doubt anybody else would. Its insane how black and white politicians are trying to make things. You can dislike person A but not be all in on person B. But they are trying to make it sound like those are the only options. Love 100% or Hate 100%. Crazy how many people are falling into that line of thinking. Most of the things that get talked about ,about the party You ( as in the general person not anybody specific) disagree with are the people on the extreme sides of that party and are a minority in my opinion. 

 

And chances are, just like how we all would get along great in person. Chances are that the average left or right voters would also get along and agree on the bigger stuff in person if they talked and left party names out of the conversations.     

Moto Nomad wrote:

Trump is a master bluffer. I doubt this is made permanent.

Nairb#70 wrote:

The art of the deal.

PEPE001 wrote:

But the damage is done already.
This is not how the economy works.

Moto Nomad wrote:

Trump is a master bluffer. I doubt this is made permanent.

Nairb#70 wrote:

The art of the deal.

Last2Stroke wrote:

If he was an agent of the Kremlin, what would he do differently.