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That Deegan helmet was awesome
Mods non moto please....
I see more denigration than celebration the other 11, but maybe you live in a different timeline than I.
I for one, would love to hear more about how Andrew Jackson killed the Bank or Thomas Jefferson's embargo act defended American shipping interests against imperial Britain, but all you seem to hear is how they were slave owners so any other virtue or accomplishment they may have had is completely for naught. It's almost a religious inquisition at this point, as it was in Russia when the Bolsheviks took over. We certainly don't learn about that history either, for some odd reason.
Probably about time this thread got towed to non-moto....
Are we allowed to make some jokes?
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Idiotic identity politics has made it impossible to have a civil, intelligent conversation about race (among other things). Not everything is about race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., But some things are about race, because unfortunately, racist assholes exist. That's unfortunate, and I'm glad that some black athletes can succeed despite it. The lesson: How about just don't be an asshole. If we all stick to that simple maxim, we don't need a special day or month.
It's unfortunate to have DEI even mentioned in a thread like this. If your fast, you're fast, and speed doesn't discriminate on the basis of race. There are no DEI motocross racers.
Diversity quotas are stupid. Diversity shouldn't need a quota. Again, follow the simple maxim "don't be an asshole" and diversity should emerge naturally - except we won't notice or care, because, not being assholes, we won't be making a big deal of the color of people's skin.
If you label someone a certain way because of their race, without knowing anything else about them, you're stupid. What else is there to say?
I don’t remember the name at all, what the hell?
Unfortunately too many folks on this forum are blind to how deeply they have absorbed identity politics. Then they show up with their egos puffed up on social morality and start their virtue signalling.
Well said. You continue to be one of my favorite posters on this forum... Always sound and thoughtful. 👍
Yeah, well… I am not one to give Feld a lot of credit, even though I enjoy watching the series every weekend. But after reading all the crappy takes in this thread, I must say I have a better appreciation for the IG post that started it all.
I don't see it as judging them on the colour of their skin but more of a let's acknowledge and celebrate that in the past they were judged by the colour of their skin and have endured it to be successful.. I don't see it as a shot at current 'white people' some obviously (Not meant as a sly shot at you or anyone just stating obviously there's still racist people) I don't see it as divisive.. Does acknowledging and high lighting Christian Craig's past battles with injuries divisive in the sx community? (PS I had zero idea of how to spell acknowledging! Thanks computer)
People can call it identity politics all they want but there's actual hard proof that the Stewart's have encountered problems solely on the colour of their skin in our sport! I'd say they appreciated the Insta post.. I'd also say they wouldn't ask for it but appreciate it none the less.
What's the old saying 'blowing out someone else' candle doesn't make yours brighter' dunno if that fits haha
Again I'm not trying to change anyone's mind just giving my 2c
Do you think the Stewart's want to be remembered one month a year as great black motocross racers because of the color of their skin, or all year as great motocross racers because of their skills, talent, abilities and accomplishments?
Dei or wotc workers opportunity tax credit has existed since 96. 89-95 every marine , army guy we flew in to work on the worlds strongest horizontal drill rig . Quit in 3 days or was fired in a week. 96 we couldn’t fire them. We where told stop bitching about not getting our union wages. Because the best crew will get a hell of a lot more. Our scab wages 2,500 average but high weeks of 5k. If u want to be on the crew u better be a animal because we where and animals get rid of the week. I started working as 3 yr old 7 days a week & severely beaten. The rest of our crew started working as 5-6 yr olds & where beaten too. In trucking all races get along like best friends or brothers. Yes the military r #1&2 for the best paying jobs. The black x cons r 3rd sometimes 1st depending on the co. I trained a black x con murder & talked to him after I trained him every day on the phone to help him. And learn about why they do it. He stabbed slot of prisoners . Free college twice , housing , glasses, computers, etc. He went home every 10-12 days to Idaho there is no reefer freight in Id. I worked 9 1/2 months straight with out a day off during c19. And went to Jersey every week he never did . I trained him & a military guy then told the co I,m done training, etc. x con had 7 wrecks in 6 months I never had 1 since 1976. I spent all day at the dr 3 inches shorter in 2 yrs of 1099 trucks a ton of painful injuries & extremely sick. I mentioned to a couple women how crazy &dangerous the winter has been running errands the last couple days. And that in the last yr I talked with white 80-82 yr olds living in a sleeper truck . They said that’s disgusting . I agree but that’s our government. Biggest pipeline co in the world with dozens of divisions. I worked in 40 states the ne repeatedly & Canada. And every state &city in America. #1 driver 60+ hrs straight north east to Chicago in a tanker , 160 hrs weeks. That’s what we hv to do . I bought straw bails from 2 plantations for pipeline projects. Truth is 94% that came here came from The Bahamas & Brazil they seasoned them , Columbus saw this b4 the discovered America. Cotton picking is 6 weeks , every Sunday off . Free nice house , land , seed to plant on there land , chickens, weed, money to go to town on sundays, etc. field workers usually started at aprox 15 sometimes younger. The 1st servants here where6 Naitive Americans. 1st Law passed here was to declare war. A war against the Indians. Where I type this is on A Oneida Indian reservation. Originally from NY. My great grandma was Oneida The Turtle Clan. I speak the language & get in harmony with everything & all people here. I do not participate in the 30k old ceremonies only a couple times. This is the Tribe that helped defeat the British to declare our independence. Yet over 90 million where killed most by chemical warfare - disease that the colonists spread. This is the government that plants 53 containers of weapons to Chicago rail yards including m16,s. Ghettos where created by the government. Same government that created wotc, dei . The cool working blacks & white truckers r in a battle to end the non payment from our physical hard work. Unloading over a million lbs is quite a bit more weight than a slave ever did in 237 yrs. Of slavery . Besides the Indians the Irish where the 1st in big numbers. I was doing stand up killing time on a July 4 long weekend at a ts. All the 65-73 yr old blacks said in the se the whites didn’t give them grieve it was there own race. I, m only a part Indian so I know what that’s like . Hair is thicker etc some shun you & call you 1/2 breed. I think it really comes down to r you going to make Indian choices or decisions or white. Because the Indians don’t want there harmony deluted maybe or who knows. That’s more from the 70,s where they fought the government yet. But it went well I to the 80,s. Sterilizing 80k Indian women . I had 3 vials of blood 1 of the girls tried to pronounce my name the Indian pronunciation. I said close enough we laughed . I don’t consider myself a Indian anyway . Although my % is much higher of the land of my ancestors than any black in America. Nobody gets the choice of there color . I think it’s ridiculous that it’s a subject at all. The black race in the government’s eyes are a million times more important though.
Can it not be both?
And maybe for that one month their sport is acknowledging the struggles they went through on and off the track to get to where they did not ignoring it.. I don't see it as anything too dramatic just kinda like a tight lipped head nod haha (I don't think that's just an Australian thing haha)
Don't you try to treat those you encounter but don't know with respect? That's a sign that life is a struggle for most folks.
If you think it's just a head nod for one month a year what do you do the rest of the year?
Um what? The point is unfortunately for our society a black person having some sort of struggle just due to the colour of their skin is almost guaranteed which is why I'd suggest they try to concentrate more on their history in the States for a month to hopefully bring more understanding.. But obviously some folks REALLY disagree..
Well I think we agree in that the rest of the year I treat them exactly the same way I'd treat anyone no matter what they looked like..
The finish line for ending racism would be where it's about as noticeable as eye color and it's just not a topic of conversation at all anymore unless you're studying history. Racists clearly don't want that, but the proper response to racism is to confront it when it exists, not to get in a tug of war and with good intentions also pull us away from the goal of having race be an afterthought. Well intentioned racism is still racism.
You cannot deny that many people have made a career out of keeping everyone divided on this and many other issues. It's OK to push back on some of their efforts. This notion that talking about racism ad nauseam is a must to bring an end to is just not true. Mental health is going through a similar reckoning right now. Turns out too much talking about it just leads to more of it.
So that's my problem with SMX going there... it's just not really their domain and once you go down that rabbit hole where does it stop? Is it doing more to tell the stories you want to tell or is it giving the worst among you an invitation to crawl out of their hole and show themselves? Did you take a step forward or a few steps back? Is SMX less racist this week than last? I'm pretty convinced that the contrived virtue signaling we see everywhere is pushing us backwards.....
What if, instead of focusing one month a year on Black History so the virtue signalers feel a little better about themselves, we instead focused on more police in the predominantly black neighborhoods and reducing crime there, ended government programs that have fostered an obscenely high fatherlessness rate, changed the educational system to favor the students instead of the teacher's union, and followed that up with some real economic development. Oh, and ended imminent domain, every 12 months a year?
White liberals don't seem to want black folks to do better without their help.
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I don’t know man, I think the best place to learn about American history, which includes slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, and the history of why black folks still don’t earn as much as white folks is best taught in school. At the same time, it doesn’t really bother me if SMX highlights black racers in a predominantly white sport during black history month. It’s a very odd thing to get bent out of shape about, as so many people in this thread are. It’s not that deep, fast forward if you don’t like it, just like I scrolled past Deegans helmet post, which ironically had Bruce Springsteen playing over it.
Sure ok! You're saying they're not doing enough? I'm not sure where you've felt I'd disagree with any of that..
I mean judging by the kickback an insta post has had I can only assume all those things you mentioned may not get agreed to.. That fight is not mine to have..
To be clear, I'm not commenting on any Instagram post. I haven't seen it.
I'm commenting on how virtue signalling and identity politics have repeatedly failed, but for some reason those who embrace both use one month for Black History to help soothe their guilt.
It diminishes the very real and genuine reaction that the majority of the motocross world had when Malcolm won his first supercross.
I've spoken my opinion on this enough now, so I'm stepping aside.
Well ok sure I don't know what measure you go off as a 'fail' but I don't live there so I don't see what you see so I'll take your word for it.. But I have no guilt to soothe.. There seems to be plenty that want to ignore their guilt though.. (Again no shot just everyday observations)
It does? I don't know how you've come to that conclusion and definitely disagree..
Edit: Oh man I was gonna say we should agree to disagree but deleted it last minute haha
I’ll bite. Treating black people like they’re handicapped and then giving them kudos or recognition for the same things everyone else does has got to be wildly offensive.
If I was black and they had an entire month where people praised me for just living my life, working, and whatever else, I would be so offended.
Of course black individuals, Hispanic, Asian, and so on contribute. So do whites. I think it’s demeaning to clap for any race when they simply function in society like it’s some wild accomplishment. They’re a different color, not mentally handicapped. Don’t patronize people.
It's not black recognition month, it's black history month. It's supposed to be about remembering the unique trials and tribulations black folks went through over the last few hundred years.
Is that what it's generally portrayed as? Not really. Does it need to be a whole month? Probably not. Same with pride month, worth remembering history but they're a bit out over their skis with a whole month.
Corporate virtue signaling is not a good substitute for treating others like fellow human beings. Unfortunately, there are too many of us of all heritages that don't walk that line.
I tune into Moto to watch dirt bikes racing. Not to be preached to, "educated" or "informed".
If I wanted to hear about race/racism all night I'd watch Joy Reid or The View or some other professional race baiters.
I'm with Morgan Freeman on this one. Talking about it endlessly just perpetuates it. When I see it I switch channels for a few minutes until it's over. I'll do the same for any segments during SX. I'm over it.
Can we move onto the noticing now?
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