Cooksey & GL got me thinking

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At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even...

At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even if Matthes wasn't, he's just a wet paper bag... His opinion would still suck. I hate that this interview came from cooksie because he's such a tool… But man it's refreshing to see a non-biased opinion like DV gives. Ricky Carmichael must be the most hugest sellout in the history of the sport. Look what he did on the track… Pure savage. Now in the announcers booth, look what he knows. Look what he could say, but doesn't ...but he's just a corporate robot fool  that can barely speak the language. It sucks that he's in there. #coward. If there was a God, there would be Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair in the booth today. It may even be as good as the racing. Which is really fucking great these days.

Ps. I listen to pulp every week. I love the sport. It's great that it's out there because of Matthes. He's the only guy that can get those people on there. I appreciate that. It's still...barf...

Time for bed papa.

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Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

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Are you retarded or a troll?

He’s both. 

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Hey, you've popped up from Brian's basement to join the chat!  Don't forget to moisturize his tramp stamp...

If you know any of 971’s post history this is hilarious 😂

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thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble cooksey does.

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Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

In your opinion, how many championships is the cut-off between ‘Legend’ & ‘not-legend’ ?

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Herr Lich wrote:
Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

In your opinion, how many championships is the cut-off between ‘Legend’ & ‘not-legend’ ?

Perhaps it's less about the number of total championships, and more about winning a championship at the highest level (e.g., the 450 class today) in both disciplines, supercross and motocross.  Is GL a significant figure in the sport?  Absolutely.  But does he have 'legendary' status?  I could see an argument being made either way - really its all dependent on what 'legend' means to you.  Regardless, I think everyone would agree it isn't as cut/dry as the others mentioned above (RC, Stew, RV, MC, et al).

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Herr Lich wrote:
Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC =...

Calm down mate.  I realise GL won those championships but maybe we have a different definition of legend. Stew = legend. RV = Legend. RC = Legend. MC = Legend.  If you think GL is in that company I can't help you. Now go back to playing with your cows. 

In your opinion, how many championships is the cut-off between ‘Legend’ & ‘not-legend’ ?

I don't think number of championships is the only important variable. I think to be a legend also involves the way in which the championships were won. Generally the legends of the sport dominated at various points in their careers.  They also elevated the sport whilst doing so, and importantly, had rides that were incredible. That's why I'd say Kenny, for example, is way more of a legend of the sport to me than Langston. His rides during 2016 MX were incredible, same as Eli with his beast mode rides. Championships, at any rate, aren't always the best metric. Webb has the same amount of SX championships as Eli Tomac, but less than half the amount of wins, and I would argue, half as much legend status too.  

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Multiple championships

Known for having a really good time off the track, cheers mate  

And despite what he thought of his own performance, one of the best in the booth, loved his commentary and analysis. 

Is not afraid to say what he thinks, right or wrong. 

Equals legend in my book.

Seems like DV gets legend status for accomplishing less, not the throwing shade at DV, love his his unfiltered opinion too. 

That’s the first Cooksey interview I’ve watched. He let GL do most of the talking, unlike some who feel the need to interrupt their guest. So I thought it was good.  

I totally agree with guys being tied to the industry or a brand which affects their public opinion. 

Your opinion may vary… 

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and the nerve to post a new topic:It's a wild world we live in. Gypsy has the best of the best on his show but he...

and the nerve to post a new topic:

It's a wild world we live in. Gypsy has the best of the best on his show but he still gets shit on because "dude, bro, jujitsu". Then you have Cooksey (the Vitard whipping boy) with GL on a long format interview dropping bombs. Amazing interview. You'd be hard-pressed to find an industry insider who's done more for the sport to be cast aside for some BS.

The old guard media is just fine but when a new media endeavor puts their hat in the ring everyone is up in arms because it's not the "norm". It's 2025 people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Kudos to the dudes the "moto media" don't like. I watch and you're at the top of my algo. Keep it up, boys.

Moto is extremely conservative in their thinking, think about all the new commentators who get shit on. Moto fans gate keep and don’t want their precious “history” tanished by someone who wants to be different. 

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i didn't know DonM was Swap either. i thought he was low-T geriatric in his 80s given how crotchety alot of his retorts are. definitely does...

i didn't know DonM was Swap either. i thought he was low-T geriatric in his 80s given how crotchety alot of his retorts are. definitely does not give off cool guy industry bro vibes; at least it doesn't come across that way on the forum to me. sorry swap...

 

edit: nvm i guess he's not swap? that makes more sense. who is DonM and is he buds with jodi weisel?

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Would you believe it if I told you DonM's first name isn't really even Don

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So are we awarding GL legendary status for his drinking ability or for his lack of remorse over brake checking a kid on a high speed section of a track (not a slow corner mind you) for daring to race him and ending his mx career?

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thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

tyler113 wrote:
Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble...

Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble cooksey does.

that's wild. it's almost like politics - "He said something I don't like (even if it's true) so I'll just cancel the guy and proclaim anyone that agrees with him a liar." And he's not bright? Dude owns multiple businesses, was the most popular commentator in a LONG time on the outdoors, and speaks perfectly intelligently through all interviews I've seen of him. But he agreed with Cooksey, so he's Satan. Understood.

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Trickamoto wrote:
At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even...

At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even if Matthes wasn't, he's just a wet paper bag... His opinion would still suck. I hate that this interview came from cooksie because he's such a tool… But man it's refreshing to see a non-biased opinion like DV gives. Ricky Carmichael must be the most hugest sellout in the history of the sport. Look what he did on the track… Pure savage. Now in the announcers booth, look what he knows. Look what he could say, but doesn't ...but he's just a corporate robot fool  that can barely speak the language. It sucks that he's in there. #coward. If there was a God, there would be Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair in the booth today. It may even be as good as the racing. Which is really fucking great these days.

Ps. I listen to pulp every week. I love the sport. It's great that it's out there because of Matthes. He's the only guy that can get those people on there. I appreciate that. It's still...barf...

I agree Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair would be a smart, fun crew in the booth. 

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GL has to fit in at least one of these definitions/descriptions:

a very old story or set of stories from ancient times, or the stories, not always true, that people tell about a famous event or person

an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field. 

very well known

a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated

an inscription, especially on a coin or medal.

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thought it was a great interview.GL is a treasure to our sport.Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if...

thought it was a great interview.

GL is a treasure to our sport.

Cooksey at least has balls to piss off industry people with what he says if he believes it to be true. I know collectively this forum hates him, but I've been watching his stuff for years and I can see why you guys bash him sometimes, but he also doesn't give a shit who he pisses off and is willing to speak his truth. 
 

I know ML and Cooksey have some history but I don't know any details. But I do agree with other posters that state that the Vital crew is waaaaaaaaaay too close to the riders and OEM's and toe their narrative far more than necessary.

edit - at the 52m mark he (summarized) says: "I don't agree with everything say Cooksey, but I agree with a lot of it. And I think that out moto media knows what you're saying is true but since you'e the only one saying it, they can call you crazy and ignore you."

edit 2 - just finished the whole thing. GL is a legend in our sport and was hugely popular as an announcer. In this interview he says:

- matthes has zero cred

- cooksey speaks the truth

- mirtl is innocent

- Feld is dirty

- He agreed with much of what Cooksey says about DC

- our moto media is garbage

- Vital is like TMZ

- ..........amongst other things.

ALL of these are in direct opposition to the general Vital mindset on these topics. How do we feel about a legend GL disagreeing with the overall perceptions that the board holds?


just my .02

tyler113 wrote:
Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble...

Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble cooksey does.

that's wild. it's almost like politics - "He said something I don't like (even if it's true) so I'll just cancel the guy and proclaim anyone...

that's wild. it's almost like politics - "He said something I don't like (even if it's true) so I'll just cancel the guy and proclaim anyone that agrees with him a liar." And he's not bright? Dude owns multiple businesses, was the most popular commentator in a LONG time on the outdoors, and speaks perfectly intelligently through all interviews I've seen of him. But he agreed with Cooksey, so he's Satan. Understood.

Help me out, what bullets are true?


I’m not saying they’re wrong because I don’t know, but that also means I don’t know if it’s true

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2/14/2025 11:42am
tyler113 wrote:
Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble...

Almost every single bullet point listed is verifiably false. GL is not a bright guy, and sounds like he lives in the same little hate/conspiracy bubble cooksey does.

that's wild. it's almost like politics - "He said something I don't like (even if it's true) so I'll just cancel the guy and proclaim anyone...

that's wild. it's almost like politics - "He said something I don't like (even if it's true) so I'll just cancel the guy and proclaim anyone that agrees with him a liar." And he's not bright? Dude owns multiple businesses, was the most popular commentator in a LONG time on the outdoors, and speaks perfectly intelligently through all interviews I've seen of him. But he agreed with Cooksey, so he's Satan. Understood.

Help me out, what bullets are true?


I’m not saying they’re wrong because I don’t know, but that also means I don’t know if it’s true

well, most of the bullets are things none of us would know if it's right/not. Is mirtl innocent? No clue. Is Feld crooked? Possibly. All I know is these two are fist-bumping on these topics. So is GL wrong, or is Cooksey? Does it matter? Cause this board foams at the mouth regarding Cooksey, yet GL just agreed across the board with him....so do we hate GL now also?

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I'm guessing here, but on the topic of GL being a legend, in todays context that means a man who don't take no shit, who tells it like it is, unfiltered, with little to no regard to the consequences of what they say. 

That's a modern day legend. 

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Or GL is where Kooksey gets his info from.

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Trickamoto wrote:
At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even...

At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even if Matthes wasn't, he's just a wet paper bag... His opinion would still suck. I hate that this interview came from cooksie because he's such a tool… But man it's refreshing to see a non-biased opinion like DV gives. Ricky Carmichael must be the most hugest sellout in the history of the sport. Look what he did on the track… Pure savage. Now in the announcers booth, look what he knows. Look what he could say, but doesn't ...but he's just a corporate robot fool  that can barely speak the language. It sucks that he's in there. #coward. If there was a God, there would be Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair in the booth today. It may even be as good as the racing. Which is really fucking great these days.

Ps. I listen to pulp every week. I love the sport. It's great that it's out there because of Matthes. He's the only guy that can get those people on there. I appreciate that. It's still...barf...

Crossup wrote:

I agree Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair would be a smart, fun crew in the booth. 

That would be good - it's just a matter of whether they'd be enough room for Langston's tinfoil hat in the booth. 

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I'm guessing here, but on the topic of GL being a legend, in todays context that means a man who don't take no shit, who tells...

I'm guessing here, but on the topic of GL being a legend, in todays context that means a man who don't take no shit, who tells it like it is, unfiltered, with little to no regard to the consequences of what they say. 

That's a modern day legend. 

Well, it seems where getting somewhere here.  People are beginning to move from claiming Langston is a 'legend' based on his actual achievements in motocross and supercross to slippery and nebulous reasons based on his attitudes, status as a drunk and so on. 

I'm not discussing the other stuff. I still think in terms of his achievements in racing - not in commentary, not in being a loudmouth alcoholic blowhard conspiracy nut - Grant Langston is not a legend. 

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Or GL is where Kooksey gets his info from.

You really think GL doesn't have plenty of connections to the industry at all levels?

I don't think Cooksey is GL's closest source of info.

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I have always wondered why Walty Wanders and Cooksey have not joined forces to create the ultimate dynamic duo. They have very similar opinions and presentation skills. I am actually serious....this would be an interesting weekly podcast. 

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I have always wondered why Walty Wanders and Cooksey have not joined forces to create the ultimate dynamic duo. They have very similar opinions and presentation...

I have always wondered why Walty Wanders and Cooksey have not joined forces to create the ultimate dynamic duo. They have very similar opinions and presentation skills. I am actually serious....this would be an interesting weekly podcast. 

I highly doubt even Cooksey would want anything to do with Scott Walters .  That guy is cringe.  

I know Cooksey isn't a saint either ...but at least Cooksey did some nationals and used to race. 

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I have always wondered why Walty Wanders and Cooksey have not joined forces to create the ultimate dynamic duo. They have very similar opinions and presentation...

I have always wondered why Walty Wanders and Cooksey have not joined forces to create the ultimate dynamic duo. They have very similar opinions and presentation skills. I am actually serious....this would be an interesting weekly podcast. 

FastEddy wrote:
I highly doubt even Cooksey would want anything to do with Scott Walters .  That guy is cringe.  I know Cooksey isn't a saint either ...but...

I highly doubt even Cooksey would want anything to do with Scott Walters .  That guy is cringe.  

I know Cooksey isn't a saint either ...but at least Cooksey did some nationals and used to race. 

You realize my post is "tongue and cheek" !

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Or GL is where Kooksey gets his info from.

Jub wrote:

You really think GL doesn't have plenty of connections to the industry at all levels?

I don't think Cooksey is GL's closest source of info.

You got that backwards.  GL is where Cooksey gets his info...

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I'm guessing here, but on the topic of GL being a legend, in todays context that means a man who don't take no shit, who tells...

I'm guessing here, but on the topic of GL being a legend, in todays context that means a man who don't take no shit, who tells it like it is, unfiltered, with little to no regard to the consequences of what they say. 

That's a modern day legend. 

You could also be describing any loudmouth asshole at a bar on a Friday night.

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Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. What is...

Are you retarded or a troll? GL won a world championship, 125 AMA Motocross title, 2 Lites SX titles, and a 450 AMA Motocross championship. 

What is a legend then? LOL, idiot.

and a Super Moto championship back when that was a thing. 

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I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find...

I find it funny how Steve was just bitching about the sue happy society we live in and how it’s an American problem only to find out that he a Canadian tried to sue Yamaha for working him to much. 

LungButter wrote:

Did this really happen?

And now Yamaha is his biggest sponsor?

Really?

Yeah, and no one can find any documents ever filed in relation to it. 

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Trickamoto wrote:
At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even...

At the end of the day it's just so awesome how Langston just says it! He's not chewing cock for money like Matthes ECT.... and even if Matthes wasn't, he's just a wet paper bag... His opinion would still suck. I hate that this interview came from cooksie because he's such a tool… But man it's refreshing to see a non-biased opinion like DV gives. Ricky Carmichael must be the most hugest sellout in the history of the sport. Look what he did on the track… Pure savage. Now in the announcers booth, look what he knows. Look what he could say, but doesn't ...but he's just a corporate robot fool  that can barely speak the language. It sucks that he's in there. #coward. If there was a God, there would be Grant Langston, Weege and Daniel Blair in the booth today. It may even be as good as the racing. Which is really fucking great these days.

Ps. I listen to pulp every week. I love the sport. It's great that it's out there because of Matthes. He's the only guy that can get those people on there. I appreciate that. It's still...barf...

Could you rewrite that in a legible format please ? 

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