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On Pulp they brought up having 2 rows for the start to open up more floor space for longer tracks. I think it would be better in every way, but I can’t get past how amateur it looks
It would make the heat races more meaningful, big difference in having the most outside gate with a possibility of still getting a hole shot, and being stuck behind someone and relying on them to get a good jump. Short lap times have been a complaint for awhile and this would certainly help.
I do think it would require complete restructuring of qualifiers, it wouldn’t make sense to have some people go straight to the main and be front row, and other people be second row
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Probably also worth mentioning that it would be slightly safer too. Already packed together vs Funneling in towards one another
I understand the merit of a 2 row start, but nothing visually compares to the whole field lined up drag racing.
If they really want to add floor space the need to use the start straight as an actual lane, not put tunnel jumps in the middle (making it wider)
if they really want safety, limit holeshot device pull down, go back to dirt start etc
Not as a permanent replacement but I think it could be cool at a couple of the rounds with smaller floor space. Something different and maybe a way to add lengthen a short lap time.
Go back to 20-rider gates.
Would help so many problems.
22 riders on 450's reaching the first turn at the same time wasn't a good idea when they started doing it in 2008, and that was before the grates.
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That would be an emphatic "fuck no"
Get rid of the stupid grates and holeshot devices too.
I'm with you there! I'd rather see some right handed first turn starts thrown in. Longer starts the length of the stadium. Some big first turn sweepers would be interesting especially with a right handed first turn. .
As someone who deals with multi-row starts every time i race, its a 'fuck no' too.
I heard the track guy say ' there will always be a pinch because the track width has to funnel down, but it HAS to have the run to turn 1 perpendicular to the gate from gate 1.
The shortest distance must always be from gate 1.
I like the full gate start but I wouldn't mind if they tried something different at a few races. Maybe change up the start on tripple crowns since that seems to be a large part of why many of the racers dislike tripple crowns.
Think it’s worth a try. We’d get a whole extra rhythm lane which would increase laps times and potentially reduce the number of laps(esp on small floor plans). It would put a premium on qualifying and finishing in the top 5 of your heat. Haven’t thought of every scenario but I don’t see any obvious major drawbacks. Guys in the back row could still climb through the pack in a main event.
And we wouldn’t have to worry about friese getting anymore holeshots and being a hazard out there 😆
Your last sentence is actually a really good point. There are a few holeshot artists that just don’t have the pace, and this would be a good way to keep them from being a roadblock
Haha I was more or less joking there but I know there are plenty that wouldn’t be upset if Vince never saw the front of the pack again.
-Set a rule that the starts have to be a minimum length. 2 out of the 3 starts this season were too short.
-Set a rule that the line after the first turn has to be a minimum length. A1 was stupid short and every start had chaos
-20 rider main
-No bridge in the middle
-No metal grates
-No Holeshot devices
-A last point that might not be popular, make the gate more advantageous to first pick. No funnel. 1 inside gate should be straight to the first turn rather than staight to the tough blocks. If you have the first pick, you could line up more on the outside if you want a better angle to drive into the first turn but the first gate should be straight to apex.
A minimum start length and lane length following the start could lead to a lot of tracks with basically the same layout.
I’m interested to see how this weekends start works out. It looks cool/interesting.
How do you figure? Put a 90, a 120, a 180 degrees first turn, move the location of the start and you can have a multitude of layouts... My point is basically don't put the start on the width of the stadium.
And last but not least, bring back go-pros 🤝
On the start I was just thinking if they all went full stadium length you’d have a lot of tracks that are just 3-4 long lanes and you’d lose a little ability to be creative. Without actually designing the track complete with dimensions it’s a fruitless exercise (for me anyway) as it’s hard to imagine a full track in your head and how everything would fit.
Definitely agree starts that go the width of the stadium is too short. I don’t know what the right length is either. Is their a Goldilocks zone where the riders get enough spacing and aren’t going to fast?
I think opening up floor space by having a 2 row start is worth a try is all.
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Am I missing something obvious or is this talk of an extra lane just nonsense? You can't have a loop with an odd number of lanes so you can't add just one lane, would need enough room to add two. Every current football stadium track has some version of six lanes and most already use the start straight as part of one of them.
Welp, darn you blowing the theory straight to hell
I’m trying to design a 7 lane sx and it just doesn’t make sense
You could argue the benefit being a “7th” lane that runs parallel to the start that actually has features, so it’s not just a straight
Before I say 'hell no' I'd like to see it in action. I'm 100% behind binning the grates and holeshot devices. Hell make the main 18 riders. The last few riders just roll around after 3 laps anyways.
Maybe that's what they mean? I could see that I guess. Surely the track guys have thought of this but it's been confusing to me ever since I heard the interview on pulp.
That’s what I imagine is an extra lane running parallel to the start straight with features in it.
Been front row in a 2 row start and it was probably the least fun start I could imagine.
Gay gay and more gay. Every time I see that in arenacross I just think it looks so ridiculous.
Put the starts along one of the walls, have the gate at the very edge of the floor. Do those two things and you open up more room than a 2 row or 20 rider gate.
A grid start would be pretty neat. 1 moto can just be normal start but then 2 and 3 dictated by prior moto finish
A few years back "moguls" were a track obstacle (Daytona?) Moguls on the start straight would make for an "interesting" start! I could see the riders hating it but the fans loving it.
A1 was really messed up.
It doesn't add a lane but you can put in another lane of obstacles instead of of sending them down the start straight.
The idea of a 2 row start is more relevant to separating the riders. I get that it's tradition to have a single row but supercross is a show and 75% of the day is spent on qualifying that means basically nothing,
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