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Not sure if this has been posted, but California Air Resources Board is due to vote Nov. 7 on a regulation requiring 50% of motorcycles sold in CA to be zero-emission by 2035.
It looks like it applies to street bikes.
I see a Stark Bro down coming….
Thanks for posting this
CARB is out of control. Expect considerable rate increases on all utilities due to the 100% electric public fleet by 2035 rule in place. Then there's the $.41 per gallon CARB proposed carbon fee on gas/diesel that's in committee right now.
Can someone explain how carb has the power to make laws?
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California logic: limit ICE = increase EV
logic: limit ICE = limit motorcycling
CARB's listed 2024 California off-road legal models (green sticker) and highway models do not include a single electric motorcycle.
Manufacturers will either successfully fight this or abandon the California ICE market.
It's not a law, it's a regulation. Laws are passed by the state Legislature and signed by the Governor. CARB is simply appointed by the Governor and has the power to make regulations on its own.
I do not know enough about any of this to have much of a clue, but please tell me they are not forcing you CA folks into electric, and then raising electric rates at the same time? If so, it is basically modern day dictatorship, I feel bad for you CA folks.
C.A.R.B might be Californias biggest cash cow and smoke show. I write this as a former state of California smog technician and (thankfully) former resident.
I write about energy in CA for a living. That's basically what is happening, it's just various agencies doing it. Utilities apply for the retail electricity rate hikes to pay for all the system improvements they are doing (which also makes money for investor-owned utilty shareholders, which would be PG&E, SDG&E and SCE). Those rate hikes are approved by the California Public Utilities Commission (appointed by Newsom), which usually reduces the rate requests from utilities, but they are going up by billions of dollars. Meanwhile, CARB (also appointed by Newsom) is passing a bunch of regulations to electrify buildings (heating and cooling), obviously the zero-emission vehicle law etc. Probably the craziest one is the EV trucking regulations-- that industry says its basically impossible to comply with. They are not requiring electric vehicles and trucks, just zero-emission, which is most often EV.
So yeah, rates going through the roof while they are forcing everyone off of fossil fuels and on to the electric grid, which is always running at the edge of reliability. That's why so many businesses and people are fleeing the state (you're welcome, Boise!).
One thing to consider is that CARB has massively cleaned up the air in LA and reduced emissions greatly in many sectors. But it's expensive.
This is precisely what they are doing, why do you ask?
Just as pernicious is the increase in the gasoline tax they are proposing right now. Why are they considering that, even though we already pay more in gasoline tax -by far- than any other state in the nation? Well, because there are enough electric cars on the road now that the revenue from gasoline tax has gone down and there isn't enough funding in the budget. Yes, you heard that right: they got what they wanted, which is fewer carbon emissions, and now we have to pay extra because of it.
The linked article says:
"But a mile driven in a gas-powered motorcycle emits far more pollutants than a mile in a new gas-powered car — for the reactive gases that form smog, it’s a whopping 20 times more per mile, according to the air board."
Is it really possible that a motorcycle can be that much more polluting than a car? How can that be?
They have a list of public comments, and as I skimmed through, I didn't see a single comment that is in favor of the proposal:
https://www.arb.ca.gov/lispub/comm/iframe_bccommlog.php?listname=onmc24&_ga=2.41182698.996908741.1730316091-201331220.1720649396
My big issue is that I don't believe there are any electric motorcycles that you can register for off road use in California. How the fuck is that? Let all these sur-run fuckers go utilize and raise funds for the ohv Areas in our state!
I’d wager that the dirtbike industry will be so small in CA by then it won’t really matter. Most of the hardcore SoCal pioneer 1st Gen shops will sell or be forced to sell and they will be relocated back East or Texas. A Lot easier to mobilize a team out of Dallas than Ca. It’s just a matter of time at this point.
All moto business we’re originally based in SoCal because for ever Japanese dirt bikes where imported for the most part through the West Coast Ports Like La and LB. So it was natural to build NA headquarters there. Now every major port on the Gulf and East Coast has direct access to those FarEast markets thanks in large part to the recent expansion of the Panama Canal. There are no barriers to make Houston for instance the NA Headquarters for Kawi and anyone else. Affordable cost of living , plentiful work force , centralized in the continent-etc.. there will be a major shift. Check back in 10yrs…
California is ran by communist!!! Get the hell out now!!!
Lot of gun industry used to be in northeast and slowly many of them relocated to places like Tennessee as it became clear they were no longer welcome where they'd always been.
Same thing is going to happen to moto industry too. Already seems to be more investment in FL, GA, SC.... lot of reasons for that obviously but stuff like this will accelerate it.
Not a communist. More like an authoritarian puppet dictator controlled by the richest of the rich and the most elite of the elites.
I hate it for SoCal as I lived in HB in the 90s and loved it but economics are economics. Running any kind of business in Ca is incredibly difficult - I know first hand as the Co I work for is based out of the Port of LA. Our industry has some huge CARB challenges between now and 2035.
Crazy, almost every major dirt bike manufacturer is headquartered in California. That should be a lot of "pull" on our side.
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Don’t feel to sorry for them. They are getting what the voted for.
CA is the second biggest consumer of fossil fuels in the country- They just pass their emissions off to others states and countries. They consume far more fossil fuels than they produce. Also get their oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Columbia and Ecuador- Countries that have far less environmental regulations.
You could argue that fossil fuel regulations in CA are actually worse for our environment because it pushes production to counties who care less about the environment. Would be better off continuing to develop cleaner ways to extract fossil fuels in CA.
Should note: Data Center demands for power are absolutely insane and to produce power to supply those will dramatically increase our need for fossil fuels going forward (plus wind and solar). These data Centers also require back-up power - And this need for power is being filled by thousands of diesel backup gensets.. Motorcycles are just an easy target and CA voters invite this...Because AI and your google photos are too important..
CARB is the biggest cash grab. It has nothing to do with emissions. They don’t enforce the majority of it. They have cost us money for 15 years. Replacing equipment multiple times because they didn’t have an engine without an expiration date. Buy a piece of equipment brand new in 2018 and be told it’s only good till 2034. Now you can’t even buy a medium duty diesel truck in California, not a single one in the state.
I was scratching my head when KTM announced that massive new headquarters in CA, a state that is trying to make their product illegal. It didn't seem like a great decision.
California Air Resource Board is the biggest Scam in California. It's run by a bunch of idiots with there own agenda not what is in the best interest for all Californians. They use false or cherry picked data to set regulations, set regulations they are not even reasonable or possible to meet. Just look at how bad they managed AB 32. The best thing California could do would be to get ride of the California Air Resource Board.
No doubt - if you look at the simple economics of mobilization of race teams back and forth - How can it make sense? Now that the COVID moto bubble has evidentially burst - OEMs and Support companies are going to look into substantial cost saving initiatives. I live in the Austin area and it’s unbelievable the amount of ex-California folks that are here - there is a reason….
I assume California is still, by far, the largest market for selling dirt bikes. At least for now.
California is no longer a Democracy. They're going to continue shoving this crazy shit down our throats until noone is left here.
Love the state...hate the bullshit.
Completely ignorant response.
People here do not vote for this shit.
Well indirectly the people of this state did by voting in the morons that make up the state legislature, along with Gavin. If we had different people in these positions we would not have CARB. We would not be paying 2 to 3 times the national average for electricity, $1.50 more a gallon for gas, etc.
The update to the low carbon fuel standard is estimated to add 50 cents to $1 a gallon to the price of gas, and when one of these people on the CARB board was asked about it, he said he could not comment on costs, he had not really researched it. But, he had the audacity to say he thought it would bring down the overall cost of fuel, unbelievable.... These people are clueless and have no consideration for how this kind of stuff impacts the countless millions of lower income folks that are up against the wall already
That would require the AMA to be anything outside of a lazy POS
CARB sets regulatory guidelines that almost always become universally adopted at the Federal gov't level, thus forcing the entire nation to fall inline. It's rare that the EPA sets a different course than what CARB defines for future regulations.
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