Kailub Russell helping Yamaha develop a 350?

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sam hain wrote:
I may be way off base here, but that sure seems like a shit thing to do to KTM on KR's part IMO. They backed him...

I may be way off base here, but that sure seems like a shit thing to do to KTM on KR's part IMO. They backed him his entire career, he signed a life time contract with them as long as he kept racing they supplied him a job. They even gave him resources to race pro MX that summer also.

After he won his last GNCC title, then retired I'm sure they expected him to ride off into the sunset with his money, health and family. To come back on a different brand and "supposedly" help them to develop a bike to steal sales from KTM is pretty damn dirty if you ask me.

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Grow up Peter Pan. What an asanine post.

STFU noob

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So you're saying KTM forced him to retire then by not renewing the life time contract he signed? Because he's not leaving KTM, he hasn't been...

So you're saying KTM forced him to retire then by not renewing the life time contract he signed? Because he's not leaving KTM, he hasn't been with KTM he's retired he's with nobody. He's coming out of retirement with Yamaha. 

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Ktm yanked the rug out from underneath him when he was racing nationals that summer. 

I don’t know about any lifetime contract.   Seems unlikely. 

sam hain wrote:
https://www.motorcycle.com/2016/06/29/racing/kailub-russell-signs-contract-extension-fmf-ktm-factory-racing-team/I shouldn't have said "life time" I meant he signed a contract saying he would race for KTM as long as he was racing.This rug...

https://www.motorcycle.com/2016/06/29/racing/kailub-russell-signs-contract-extension-fmf-ktm-factory-racing-team/

I shouldn't have said "life time" I meant he signed a contract saying he would race for KTM as long as he was racing.

This rug you speak of I believe came from Roger, some info leaked back then that he thought Kailub wasn't cutting the mustard making KTM look bad at the nationals and he pulled the plug to save face for the brand.

The guy was retired for how many years 3?-4? 5?  Him now getting a role with Yamaha for R&D and racing is in no way a slap in the face to ktm. We don’t know the whole story, maybe ktm didn’t want him. 

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KR coming back puts KTM in a tough position. He probably wants pretty good money. Does KTM pay him to race for what 2-3 more years or do they use that money to keep 1-3 younger riders that might develop into the next KR?

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KR coming back puts KTM in a tough position. He probably wants pretty good money. Does KTM pay him to race for what 2-3 more years...

KR coming back puts KTM in a tough position. He probably wants pretty good money. Does KTM pay him to race for what 2-3 more years or do they use that money to keep 1-3 younger riders that might develop into the next KR?

That’s not a tough spot. Dude retired, ending his racing contract with KTM. Years go by Yamaha asks for his employment he takes it. 

Some of y’all are way to emotional about this industry. 

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KTM probably wouldn't have to worry about KR coming back on a Yamaha if Decoster wasn't so insecure.  

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KTM probably wouldn't have to worry about KR coming back on a Yamaha if Decoster wasn't so insecure.  

That is no shit. Shouldn't they have let Russell run however long, however well he wanted? He earned it. Evidently when Carioli and Dungey "came back", Decoster was hyper critical of their performances too. Evidently he didn't remember the leeway teams gave him in his twilight years of racing.

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Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip on a 65. 

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tackomoto wrote:
Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip...

Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip on a 65. 

I think so too, I wonder if some guys would be better off doing that.

Thad Duvall comes to mind, he was amazing on the 250f...I don't remember if we won an overall or not but he damn sure was in contention from XC2.  He just never quite seemed to find the same magic on the 450.

Or a guy like Grant Davis, when he does move up to XC1, why not stick with the 250 for a year or two?  It's clearly capable as he won two overalls this year.

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tackomoto wrote:
Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip...

Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip on a 65. 

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I think so too, I wonder if some guys would be better off doing that.Thad Duvall comes to mind, he was amazing on the 250f...I don't...

I think so too, I wonder if some guys would be better off doing that.

Thad Duvall comes to mind, he was amazing on the 250f...I don't remember if we won an overall or not but he damn sure was in contention from XC2.  He just never quite seemed to find the same magic on the 450.

Or a guy like Grant Davis, when he does move up to XC1, why not stick with the 250 for a year or two?  It's clearly capable as he won two overalls this year.

KR did win a race or two on the 150sx a few years ago after he had the XC1 title wrapped up.

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10/10/2024 6:18am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2024 6:20am
tackomoto wrote:
Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip...

Pretty cool to hear he is choosing the 250F over the 450 like most do in the XC1 class. At his skill level, he could rip on a 65. 

LungButter wrote:
I think so too, I wonder if some guys would be better off doing that.Thad Duvall comes to mind, he was amazing on the 250f...I don't...

I think so too, I wonder if some guys would be better off doing that.

Thad Duvall comes to mind, he was amazing on the 250f...I don't remember if we won an overall or not but he damn sure was in contention from XC2.  He just never quite seemed to find the same magic on the 450.

Or a guy like Grant Davis, when he does move up to XC1, why not stick with the 250 for a year or two?  It's clearly capable as he won two overalls this year.

I think the manufacturers "make them" ride the big bikes. They are selling bikes, they want the public to see the 250 winning in XC2 and the 350/450 winning in XC1. Even though I believe the 250 is the best woods race platform and is 100% capable of winning against 450's in this discipline. Im sure KR got to choose what bike he wanted to ride, but i dont think thats how it goes for most riders. Although that being said, Draper seems to be meshing with the 450 just fine

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10/10/2024 7:22am

So is there a wr/yz350 or not 

100% no real.

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10/10/2024 7:37am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2024 7:38am

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

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I just recently made that exact switch- 250FX to Tx300- definitely waaay different bikes but both fantastic. Full disclosure I spent decades on 2 strokes. If your racing you’ll definitely appreciate the 2 stroke on dead engine starts. And I was pleasantly surprised how could the new spring fork is on the KTM/Husky. You really can’t go wrong on either bike and I’m sure I’ll one day be back on an FX just for something new when I get bored with the 2 stroke. Enjoy whichever way you go!

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Put fuel injection on the original 400 motor and call it a day Wink That was a great f-cking engine!

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So is there a wr/yz350 or not 

no.

 

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tackomoto wrote:
It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched...

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

I went from a 16 250SXF to a 24 EC300. Tell you what a 300 is a hell of a lot of bike. More finess required to ride it. You cant muscle it around like a 250f 

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10/10/2024 12:03pm

This whole thing does not make sense. Why would KR come back and race 3 hour GNCCs? He's in his late 30s and has nothing to prove. He's the GOAT. Also, why would he come back on a 250F if they are apparently developing a 350? makes no sense. Also, he has KTM backing for his training facility. That would certainly impact that.

Don't get me wrong, i would love to see it. Just doesn't add up to me.

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This whole thing does not make sense. Why would KR come back and race 3 hour GNCCs? He's in his late 30s and has nothing to...

This whole thing does not make sense. Why would KR come back and race 3 hour GNCCs? He's in his late 30s and has nothing to prove. He's the GOAT. Also, why would he come back on a 250F if they are apparently developing a 350? makes no sense. Also, he has KTM backing for his training facility. That would certainly impact that.

Don't get me wrong, i would love to see it. Just doesn't add up to me.

you have to read this whole post. His ktm backing is going away, leaving KTM is not his choice. KTM is in trouble financially and theyre cutting cost everywhere

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tackomoto wrote:
It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched...

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

I did exactly this.  I raced yz250f's since they came then in 23 I bought  300xc tbi.  I raced my first national enduro they very next weekend on the 300 and it was good.  A month later I went to the next national enduro on my 250f and it was like I forgot how to ride a motorcycle.  I kept the 250f a little longer but never could ride it after riding the 300.  I now have a 350xcf along with the 300.  I keep trying to ride it and like it but the 300 is just so good.  The biggest thing is no engine breaking and wiith the 250f I loved the engine braking for braking late into corners.  Now I can't stand it!

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10/10/2024 3:27pm

So with ktm cutting cost are they going to cut back on the amount of $$ they have put into Aldons facility and the amount of $$ they pay him per year? 

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So with ktm cutting cost are they going to cut back on the amount of $$ they have put into Aldons facility and the amount of...

So with ktm cutting cost are they going to cut back on the amount of $$ they have put into Aldons facility and the amount of $$ they pay him per year? 

Who cares?? That’s up to them. 

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tackomoto wrote:
It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched...

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

Generally speaking a 250/300 2t is going to work better in really tight stuff and harder enduro while the 4t will work better on more open courses.  More traction on a 4t but more effort to lean it over which can add up over 2-3 hours. I have been told that the 4t has an advantage in gncc or any series with lots of 4t entries because of all the 4t spaced accel bumps. I may be too slow to notice that. I do notice you can be lazier on slick hills on a 250f than a 250/300 two stroke. 

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tackomoto wrote:
It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched...

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

Marty1028 wrote:
I went from a 16 250SXF to a 24 EC300. Tell you what a 300 is a hell of a lot of bike. More finess required...

I went from a 16 250SXF to a 24 EC300. Tell you what a 300 is a hell of a lot of bike. More finess required to ride it. You cant muscle it around like a 250f 

I have a 24 TX300 and a 25 250XCF and my opinion is right the opposite of yours lol. The 250F wears me out and the 300 is a lot easier for me to carry momentum bc of the lack of engine braking. I feel like I have to ride the piss out of the 250F to get going and keep a flow in the woods. I'm most likely gonna sell the xcf and just keep the 300.

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tackomoto wrote:
It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched...

It’s new bike season for me, currently deciding between the new ‘25 YZ250FX and a ‘25 KTM 300XC. Apples to oranges comparison, but has anyone switched from a 250f to a 300 2T or vice versa?

Edit: for offroad/gncc

Marty1028 wrote:
I went from a 16 250SXF to a 24 EC300. Tell you what a 300 is a hell of a lot of bike. More finess required...

I went from a 16 250SXF to a 24 EC300. Tell you what a 300 is a hell of a lot of bike. More finess required to ride it. You cant muscle it around like a 250f 

sam hain wrote:
I have a 24 TX300 and a 25 250XCF and my opinion is right the opposite of yours lol. The 250F wears me out and the...

I have a 24 TX300 and a 25 250XCF and my opinion is right the opposite of yours lol. The 250F wears me out and the 300 is a lot easier for me to carry momentum bc of the lack of engine braking. I feel like I have to ride the piss out of the 250F to get going and keep a flow in the woods. I'm most likely gonna sell the xcf and just keep the 300.

I just get weird arm pump on the 300. My throttle arm locks up most likely due to the 2 stroke vibrations. My 250f i dont have this problem. Both bikes wear me out the same lol.

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Now all the rumors make sense! Russell is coming back to race XC2 quads on a newly developed Yamaha 350!
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Smith246 wrote:

I'd buy one tomorrow but sadly I think manufacturers will be releasing electric bikes before they make 350's. It's a bloody shame. 

You, me, and most of my buddies in the pit. 

I think the Japanese big 3 are already running 250 motors in the 450 frames.

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Smith246 wrote:

I'd buy one tomorrow but sadly I think manufacturers will be releasing electric bikes before they make 350's. It's a bloody shame. 

You, me, and most of my buddies in the pit. 

captmoto wrote:

I think the Japanese big 3 are already running 250 motors in the 450 frames.

Kawasaki isn't anymore, for 25 the 250 and 450 have their own frames.

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You, me, and most of my buddies in the pit. 

captmoto wrote:

I think the Japanese big 3 are already running 250 motors in the 450 frames.

sam hain wrote:

Kawasaki isn't anymore, for 25 the 250 and 450 have their own frames.

Incorrect. Same frame KX250 and KX450

Second sentence, https://motocrossactionmag.com/are-you-ready-for-the-all-new-2025-kawas…

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captmoto wrote:

I think the Japanese big 3 are already running 250 motors in the 450 frames.

sam hain wrote:

Kawasaki isn't anymore, for 25 the 250 and 450 have their own frames.

EAmato88 wrote:

Incorrect. Same frame KX250 and KX450

Second sentence, https://motocrossactionmag.com/are-you-ready-for-the-all-new-2025-kawas…

Basically the same frame, the 250 has a slightly more relaxed head tube angle

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