DeCoster on Sexton, Tomac, and our choices for Team USA now...

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9/22/2024 6:35pm
Meister wrote:

Phil.

I said the same thing.  He will get a good start and I think Phil dies out there given the chance.  If we are grasping at riders send that guy.  

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It seems like Eli was the acknowledged alternate...  It seems logical that if the bikes can get there, he's likely to go.  

If they can pull it together, Eli, AP and Webb is still a worthy team USA.  

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9/22/2024 7:55pm
ML512 wrote:
I asked Jeremy Coker last night and he stated that Webb's bikes haven't left yet. Even though air freight only takes one day of travel, the...

I asked Jeremy Coker last night and he stated that Webb's bikes haven't left yet. Even though air freight only takes one day of travel, the time in customs seem to have some I spoke to a bit nervous. They need to decide by Monday afternoon if we're still competing so bikes can be shipped.

Webb's bikes will need to be air freighted.

If Tomac says yes, they need to build two bikes on Sunday/Monday and probably have them air freighted by Tuesday.

I'm more off a read only member here on the forum but on this one i would like to know why do they need to build/ship...

I'm more off a read only member here on the forum but on this one i would like to know why do they need to build/ship those bikes to europe in the first place ?

since they are all on factory teams in the US why dont they just use some bikes from the MXGP teams ? Would bring the costs down and no stress with all the shipping, customs sh*t .... Just send the mechanis a few days earlier to europe with some key parts like suspensions, etc... so they can build the bikes here in Europe ....

I hope Sexton can still make it and otherwise i hope Tomac steps up to replace so team USA is represented, i'm going to the MXON for the first time in over 5 years again so hope to see some USA based riders over there, its what makes this event so special for me the battle between MXGP/AMA riders so the more represent the better.

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The bikes are just too different. It may seem like they’re racing the same bike; but, the differences are many and more complex than would make...

The bikes are just too different. It may seem like they’re racing the same bike; but, the differences are many and more complex than would make sense in a brief explanation. 

At this level the riders have a lot of confidence in “their” bike that’s set-up by their people and that’s what they want to race. 

What bike did Herlings ride at Ironman? Desalle at Unadilla? 

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9/22/2024 7:58pm
dhp_mma94 wrote:

wht would be the absolute deadline to ship everything overseas 🤔  logistics wise I kno this shit could be a pain in the ass 

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No telling. Customs is always a gamble in all countries regards to hold ups....  Anyone remember the year when the Italians put the wine and  cheese...

No telling. Customs is always a gamble in all countries regards to hold ups....  Anyone remember the year when the Italians put the wine and  cheese in their bike crates and they got held up until the last minute?  

Or when Team France rocked up with an Enduro rider and won when Matterley Basin last hosted the MXdN.

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9/22/2024 8:41pm Edited Date/Time 9/23/2024 3:24am

Star going to England makes me think of Steel roots when Jeremy is in Sherwood forest(one track mind). A bad ass movie. That RL with the luggage?(<suspension)

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9/22/2024 9:02pm

Or when Team France rocked up with an Enduro rider and won when Matterley Basin last hosted the MXdN.

You put some respect on Christopher Charlier. The EMX2 champ who has beaten Jeffrey Herlings back in the day... Well JH84 was like 14 yo back then but win is a win.

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9/22/2024 9:10pm
Meister wrote:

Phil.

crusher773 wrote:
I said the same thing.  He will get a good start and I think Phil dies out there given the chance.  If we are grasping at...

I said the same thing.  He will get a good start and I think Phil dies out there given the chance.  If we are grasping at riders send that guy.  

Naw. If we’re thinking like that, send Malcolm. He finished the Nationals higher than Nicoletti, and his Austrian team would support it.

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Someone tell JS7 to strap up some boots and get back to practicing. Naw, I’m Jk. That would be super sick though 

And get him to race a 125!

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9/22/2024 9:49pm Edited Date/Time 9/22/2024 9:50pm
Meister wrote:

Phil.

He’d be in the way after the start but could you imagine the content we’d get out of him postponing his retirement to race MXON. It...

He’d be in the way after the start but could you imagine the content we’d get out of him postponing his retirement to race MXON. It would be golden. lol 

Phil's been top 10 a lot!  I see no reason he wouldn't do at least top 10 at the Nations.

What a way to finish up his career!

We also could move Webb back to 450s, then send Pierce Brown.

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The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. 
Take your suspension and any other bits deemed essential and it shouldn’t be a problem. I mean the majority of riders have done it that way for one off international races for decades. 
Isn’t it a better alternative than giving up?

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9/23/2024 2:52am
CPR wrote:
The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. Take your suspension...

The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. 
Take your suspension and any other bits deemed essential and it shouldn’t be a problem. I mean the majority of riders have done it that way for one off international races for decades. 
Isn’t it a better alternative than giving up?

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well ship the whole bike.

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9/23/2024 3:02am
twotwosix wrote:

Decoster was not happy last night! Man wants to win!

He sounded frustrated.

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You’re so blinded by Danger Boy love that you forget about the entire industry losing their minds for years when Tomac didn’t go (I believe first...

You’re so blinded by Danger Boy love that you forget about the entire industry losing their minds for years when Tomac didn’t go (I believe first declined offer was him and then following years was Kawis decision until his move to Star). Getting bent out of shape over declining the invite is most definitely not exclusive to Deegs

125Rider wrote:
Night and day difference in the outrage here on vital with Tomac choosing not to race in the past. Compared to Deegan. Not even close with...

Night and day difference in the outrage here on vital with Tomac choosing not to race in the past. Compared to Deegan. Not even close with the anger, name calling, and people telling Deegan he can no longer be patriotic. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

You are not allowing for rage inflation. We all have 25% more rage now..

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ML512 wrote:
I asked Jeremy Coker last night and he stated that Webb's bikes haven't left yet. Even though air freight only takes one day of travel, the...

I asked Jeremy Coker last night and he stated that Webb's bikes haven't left yet. Even though air freight only takes one day of travel, the time in customs seem to have some I spoke to a bit nervous. They need to decide by Monday afternoon if we're still competing so bikes can be shipped.

Webb's bikes will need to be air freighted.

If Tomac says yes, they need to build two bikes on Sunday/Monday and probably have them air freighted by Tuesday.

I'm more off a read only member here on the forum but on this one i would like to know why do they need to build/ship...

I'm more off a read only member here on the forum but on this one i would like to know why do they need to build/ship those bikes to europe in the first place ?

since they are all on factory teams in the US why dont they just use some bikes from the MXGP teams ? Would bring the costs down and no stress with all the shipping, customs sh*t .... Just send the mechanis a few days earlier to europe with some key parts like suspensions, etc... so they can build the bikes here in Europe ....

I hope Sexton can still make it and otherwise i hope Tomac steps up to replace so team USA is represented, i'm going to the MXON for the first time in over 5 years again so hope to see some USA based riders over there, its what makes this event so special for me the battle between MXGP/AMA riders so the more represent the better.

TeamGreen wrote:
The bikes are just too different. It may seem like they’re racing the same bike; but, the differences are many and more complex than would make...

The bikes are just too different. It may seem like they’re racing the same bike; but, the differences are many and more complex than would make sense in a brief explanation. 

At this level the riders have a lot of confidence in “their” bike that’s set-up by their people and that’s what they want to race. 

Herlings didn't care

 

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9/23/2024 3:40am

Let me chk my schedule...I may be able to go.

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Super disappointed to hear DeCoster’s pov on the American team situation. 

Literally you guys are spoilt for choice in every class to send competitive teams made up of any number of guys.


Sure it’s not Eli, Chase and Deegan for a probably guaranteed win but isn’t the point the event itself matters?


Fucks sake, most of the rest of us are hoping for a couple good results and a miracle.


I’ve not thought so before but time to go IMO. Let someone else lead the charge.

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CPR wrote:
The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. Take your suspension...

The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. 
Take your suspension and any other bits deemed essential and it shouldn’t be a problem. I mean the majority of riders have done it that way for one off international races for decades. 
Isn’t it a better alternative than giving up?

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well...

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well ship the whole bike.

Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. 
They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be ideal, but take the essentials- suspension, ecu, whatever, build the best bike you can and line up for fucksake.

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Super disappointed to hear DeCoster’s pov on the American team situation. Literally you guys are spoilt for choice in every class to send competitive teams made up...

Super disappointed to hear DeCoster’s pov on the American team situation. 

Literally you guys are spoilt for choice in every class to send competitive teams made up of any number of guys.


Sure it’s not Eli, Chase and Deegan for a probably guaranteed win but isn’t the point the event itself matters?


Fucks sake, most of the rest of us are hoping for a couple good results and a miracle.


I’ve not thought so before but time to go IMO. Let someone else lead the charge.

ML said, "I guess you've already been pretty far down the list just to get to Webb".  Roger said, "Yes, if Eli can't go we should give up".

I took that to mean Webb was probably the only one logistically/financially able to go.  If Eli now can't or won't go...there's no one else.

You'd think that the "riders" would be the easiest part of fielding a team.  I mean, if you win or are near the top of your class you're gonna get a call.  It's pretty obvious there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we hear about.  Roger ain't  a DNS kinda guy.

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9/23/2024 5:02am
CPR wrote:
The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. Take your suspension...

The beauty of having a production based platform, should mean you can build a team bike in just about any country in the world. 
Take your suspension and any other bits deemed essential and it shouldn’t be a problem. I mean the majority of riders have done it that way for one off international races for decades. 
Isn’t it a better alternative than giving up?

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well...

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well ship the whole bike.

CPR wrote:
Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be...

Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. 
They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be ideal, but take the essentials- suspension, ecu, whatever, build the best bike you can and line up for fucksake.

If Eli races on a production frame and stock engine, he won't be comfortable on the bike, and will cruise to a mid pack finish.

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They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well...

They may start as a production based platform, but they are highly modified, they would have to ship the frame, engine and suspension, might as well ship the whole bike.

CPR wrote:
Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be...

Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. 
They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be ideal, but take the essentials- suspension, ecu, whatever, build the best bike you can and line up for fucksake.

If Eli races on a production frame and stock engine, he won't be comfortable on the bike, and will cruise to a mid pack finish.

So be it…..

Wait a minute, wasn’t he on a production frame for the last three weekends?

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9/23/2024 5:42am

Interesting during the Racerx review pod they said Sexton never went to the Asterisk medical truck on Saturday. Guess Chase will just wait till today to go to a Dr that has better imaging equipment. 

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9/23/2024 5:51am

It is a wild & unlikely move, but move Webb to MX3 (since Plessinger is hurt), Deegan to MX2, & Tomac to MX1. if Star is already sending a US guy, may as well send all of them since Bobby said he'd send riders with a real chance of winning. may as well max out our odds. If AP7 is healthy enough to be competitive, keep him as he's performing better than Webb.

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9/23/2024 6:05am
neysbo wrote:

Sounds like nothing broken for Chase so hopefully still going . 

One person in here gives an answer yet everyone ignores it. Vital at it's finest. 

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It is a wild & unlikely move, but move Webb to MX3 (since Plessinger is hurt), Deegan to MX2, & Tomac to MX1. if Star is...

It is a wild & unlikely move, but move Webb to MX3 (since Plessinger is hurt), Deegan to MX2, & Tomac to MX1. if Star is already sending a US guy, may as well send all of them since Bobby said he'd send riders with a real chance of winning. may as well max out our odds. If AP7 is healthy enough to be competitive, keep him as he's performing better than Webb.

AP is staying on the team and Deegan isn’t going. God people are dense. 

Coker told Matthes the chances of Eli going and he said they quote ‘weren’t high’

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9/23/2024 6:09am

Maybe Roger should give Johnny Girroir a call. 

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9/23/2024 6:09am
CPR wrote:
Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be...

Highly modified you say?! Well I didn’t realise!……okay enough of being a smartarse. 
They don’t need a frame or complete engine to race. It might not be ideal, but take the essentials- suspension, ecu, whatever, build the best bike you can and line up for fucksake.

If Eli races on a production frame and stock engine, he won't be comfortable on the bike, and will cruise to a mid pack finish.

CPR wrote:

So be it…..

Wait a minute, wasn’t he on a production frame for the last three weekends?

The production frame has a single tab on the inside where the the subframe is mounted...

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On Eli's bike there is a tab on each side...

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The large weld in the same area stops, unlike the production weld...

image 494.png?VersionId=l2XW7sDqkylkRebeUXcSPsCD2d.zJ

It may have started as production frame components or a production frame, but the modifications Star Racing has made are unknown, I doubt the AMA measures frame geometry.

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9/23/2024 6:11am
neysbo wrote:

Sounds like nothing broken for Chase so hopefully still going . 

Team Ideal wrote:

One person in here gives an answer yet everyone ignores it. Vital at it's finest. 

He didn't site a source or tell how he knows this. Lots of people in threads like this will troll that they know something just to amuse themselves. Not saying neysbo is trolling, but you will have to cast a pretty tasty bait to get me to engage a post like that. 

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If Eli races on a production frame and stock engine, he won't be comfortable on the bike, and will cruise to a mid pack finish.

CPR wrote:

So be it…..

Wait a minute, wasn’t he on a production frame for the last three weekends?

The production frame has a single tab on the inside where the the subframe is mounted...On Eli's bike there is a tab on each side...The large...

The production frame has a single tab on the inside where the the subframe is mounted...

image 493

On Eli's bike there is a tab on each side...

image 489

The large weld in the same area stops, unlike the production weld...

image 494.png?VersionId=l2XW7sDqkylkRebeUXcSPsCD2d.zJ

It may have started as production frame components or a production frame, but the modifications Star Racing has made are unknown, I doubt the AMA measures frame geometry.

Yeah the Homologation/production rule has been a joke for a long time .

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9/23/2024 6:54am
Meister wrote:

Phil.

crusher773 wrote:
I said the same thing.  He will get a good start and I think Phil dies out there given the chance.  If we are grasping at...

I said the same thing.  He will get a good start and I think Phil dies out there given the chance.  If we are grasping at riders send that guy.  

Naw. If we’re thinking like that, send Malcolm. He finished the Nationals higher than Nicoletti, and his Austrian team would support it.

Are you serious right now did you not see Malcolm just riding around in the back?  Never would I pick Malcolm over Phil.

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neysbo wrote:

Sounds like nothing broken for Chase so hopefully still going . 

Team Ideal wrote:

One person in here gives an answer yet everyone ignores it. Vital at it's finest. 

Matthes said on his review that KTM told him they expect the x rays to say its broken, so a lot of people probably just ignored that.

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