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Yeah why would logic and common sense have any place here any more?
Red Bull ktm motogp and Dakar team?
they made a big deal about investing during the 08 downturn and that helping them to leapfrog teh very cautious japanese.
whats the plan now? thery already make most of theirn stuff in thailand.
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is jon erik burleson still there?
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You guys act like a company losing money for a year is something new, it happens all the time. Look up State Farm Insurance, they have lost something around $6b per year for I think the last three years as an example.
Sounds like they realized the losses and are changing/restructuring to correct it.
I hope all the best for them. We all need them around in our sport.
Looking at their financials, they most definitely have seen a 180 from the previous years. 2023 saw less earnings than in 2019. EBITDA hovered around 16% from 2019-2022 and in 2023 dropped to 12.2%. Straight from their guidance " For the 2024 financial year, the Executive Board expects a decline in sales of 10% to 15% for both the motorcycles and bicycle divisions due to the current market developments."
I was just going to post about all those threads saying KTM should buy Suzuki haha
Like a $50m facility in SoCal? Lol
Market cap. Not an actual loss.
Consumer discretionary goods are always the first to get hit in a downturn. I think KTM’s primary mistake was taking on GasGas & Husky and offering 2 separate lines of bikes that are fairly redundant with their orange bikes. My vote would have been for them to introduce a sweet stand-up jet ski and an efoil instead but that’s just me 😜
Tell that to the brass cashing in stocks options. Or the pension funds holding their dirty paper.
Just because numbers on a screen went down doesn’t mean anyone lost anything.
It’s not a loss unless you sell.
It is also not a loss if the brass or fund acquired the stock at a lower price than what they sell for.
Like when someone says they saved $1000 on a dirt bike. No, you spent $8k on a dirt bike.
I blame chase sexton
It didn't cost KTM anything, Red Bull paid.
Downvoted because you used AI to make a post (except for the first sentence). Lame.
So you're saying Red Bull paid 100% for all the bike development R&D and Manufacturing of the Moto GP bikes?
Red Bull and KTM don't disclose how much is paid, but their sponsorship is rumored to pay for all MotoGp costs.
JEB has been out of KTM NA management since well before you joined Vital
Pit Row
Tell me a stock you have owned that has declined 73% and you brushed it off as "not a loss." Whether you are a business, an investment firm or a personal investor, a paper loss freaks you out.
Being freaked out is also not an actual loss.
I agree with you on the Husky side since they were basically white KTMs. I did like the concept of the GasGas situation, where someone could buy a bike that was for all intents and purposes as good as a KTM, but at a lower price point due to minor cuts here and there, mostly bling.
What in the world are you talking about? We aren't talking about selling our own stock.
This is stock chart of Facebook below. 4 year chart daily chart. . $383 to $87.. around a 77% decline. then back up.
The questions that should be asked about KTM is… what fundamentally changed at the business? Did the Products fall behind to competitors? Management change? What missteps were there? What drove this move in the stock down? Or was there a overall market decline that took a good company down with it? Or was it a cyclical decline?
I know.. the vitards will jump in and tell me I have no clue… LOL...… but those are the questions that should be asked and researched.
Pierer Mobility opened their US Corporate Headquarters in March 2023...
If you're in the business of making money, Murrietta, California is the last place you should open a new headquarters. Oh well, it only cost 53M.
Umm, I suppose that's a fact. Can you tell me some stocks you own Soul Indigo? Since we are being factual here, investors get into leveraged positions so a decline of that magnitude triggers margin calls -- meaning a real loss as you start paying to meet your capital requirements.
He don’t know how to read a stock chart. It’s at pandemic lows and the rest of the market it at record highs. There is something called mark to market and this pig ain’t coming back. Basically they where cooking the books by pushing units on dealers, sorry but not sorry, that’s a loser.
Stocks? That’s cute. Investors also get into derivatives.
I’m not in the market anymore but last time I was, I dabbled in options. And if I was, I wouldn’t be telling some rando on the web what my positions are.
I’ll share one from awhile ago though…
Not sure what the point of your comments are.
This ain’t about me.
He don’t know how to speak English.
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