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I’m not saying who should go, just trying to understand the decision making process. I think this is more on Plessinger at Ironman than Tomac. Tomac will be top 5. If Plessinger is ahead of Tomac, decider’ers say Plessinger.
If not, Tomac. If Tomac’s championship pedigree was relevant it would already be decided. Maybe it already is, barring an injury in the final round. But that is what alternates are for. Would Tomac be OK being an alternate? It would be weird.
we was there & I zoned in on Eli in specifically, with tht being said , AP is at his max celling & he can’t get any better than where hes at right now, 1st moto ELI was impressive & 2nd moto I watched him come thru the pack before he hit the wall as i expected he would with LIMITED PREP TIME , u can build & work on extra needed base fitness as the weeks progress , u gotta send ELI
AP has not performed well at the MXdN whereas Tomac and Copper have. I put much more stock in that than I do the points standings. If Tomac improves next weekend and looks like the trajectory will get him where he needs to be, I think you have to send him. If not, I’d pick Copper over AP.
also I like to add , this goona be unorthodox but I would send chase , Eli & have J coop drop back to a 250 , resend the 2022 redbud team
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That makes perfect sense in an idol worship world that many here live in. Hell, lets see if Dungey wants to do it.
I'd be concerned about AP going, but Tomac hasn't always performed that well at MXDN either - 2018 at Redbud comes to mind.
Guys, anything?? I think he’s a very low pick for us. Cool a fan favorite. What’s that mean on paper. If Deegan doesn’t go that might be the last straw I have for him. I want to like him
Yes, people need to look at the decision objectively. The question with Eli is whether he is still as fast as he was (I suspect not - injuries, time-off, and age are hard to defeat) and if he is whether he can get to that speed by the time of the race. Of course, if he is he absolutely should go. Peak Eli Tomac is in a whole different stratosphere to AP. I personally don't think AP has the cold ruthless grit required of a champion. He's more interested in blowing the fans with his cowboy shtick.
He went 6-5 or something. AP has one top 10 moto.
Yep, see about post about AP. I'm definitely not sold on AP going. If Eli is not up to scratch to go I'm actually leaning toward J-Coop going. I think he's more focused than AP.
You are just wrong on this
For those of you saying eli is being picked because he is the peoples champ....
look at mxon like the post season in the nfl.
Would you rather have Dak Prescott who has "been in the trenches all year" or tom brady coming back from injury for the last two regular season games leading into the post season... where he has had a lot of success before whereas dak usually chokes hard. There you go.
Don't forget too where this race will be held and that Tomac is our best mud rider. Yes, better than AP in the mud.
Sexton, Tomac and Cooper or
Sexton Tomac and deegan
those are championship teams.
He actually went 4-5, which at the time seemed terrible but looking back it doesn’t seem that bad all things considered. Not to make excuses for a race that happened six years ago but not only was it on a bike he had barely ridden, that was when Kawasaki added the hydraulic clutch and we all know how partial he is to the cable clutch.
AP seems to buckle under pressure. Like the guy and all that, but having ET3 is a better option even if he is racing into shape. He's got the experience / resume to get another USA title. I can't say I feel that Plessinger has that, even having as good of a year he's had for himself, he'd be the one to drop a score (or two).
all the AP mudder talk - SHOW ME results where he's actually done well in the mud on a 450 in MX!? I'll wait.
Tomac never won a moto outside the USA
I was curious about Tomac's past performances at MXoN...
He's competed four times - twice at home in 2018 and 2022, and twice overseas in 2013 and 2014.
Moto results (in chronological order) - 16, 2, 6, 3, 4, 5, 1, 6
Team results - 2, 3, 5, 1
Class results - 4, 3, 3, 2
Overall pretty good but perhaps not as spectacular as some here have been making out. Also interesting that he hasn't raced overseas in ten years.
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Big problem for the US if Deegan doesn't go is who's your 250 rider? I'm assuming Kitchen can't go because of the Kawasaki thing. After that it looks pretty lean - I guess on points it's probably Hymas? Next available after that (assuming Masterpool is in the same boat as Kitchen) is Pierce Brown?
I suppose the other option is to get Cooper to drop back to the 250 again.
Australia faces the same problem, I'm assuming our third rider will be Webster after his couple of rides in the US.
US HRC seems to have no problem supporting MXdN, so if Deegan doesn’t go, Hymas is most likely.
Webster has already been confirmed as Australia’s 250 rider.
Typical AMA bullshit wait, wait, wait oh we decided on a guy who hasn't raced outdoors in a long time over some riders who have been working their asses off all season. Sexton, Plessinger, Deegan or Hymass, I would not choose Tomac he just hasn't been grinding like these guys.
How can this even be a question. Tomac had his chance. Now that he’s over the hill he wants to go um…..yeah NO!!
Eli still has essentially 2 months to train. He will be an animal by then. Besides, I'm selfish and want to see a MXGP and open moto with Herlings, Jett, Hunter, Tomac, Sexton, Coldenhoff, Prado, Gasjer, Febvre. Think how epic that will be!
Almost as if having a fresh guy would be better. Considering AP blamed being “fried” for his 18th last year
Gotta go with ET although AP has been riding good.
It's unreal that you guys don't see that AP is having a similar season as he did last year. He finished behind the same guys that he's behind now, and add Hunter into the mix. AP is start dependent. If he gets a start outside the top 10 we are dropping his score. He has proven twice that he cannot handle the pressure, despite his character. A 90% Tomac could match a 100% AP.
won't hurt my feelings whoever gets picked. i'm big tomac fan, but i'll always root for AP too. i'd be happy with whichever gets picked. totally ok with it. and have full confidence in the team with either one.
Love Tomac but how many years did he choose not to go? AP this year not even a question. Riding the best he ever has and has earned the spot.
I don’t think Tomac has ever turned it down himself. 2015 he was hurt, 2016-2021 he was on Kawi who doesn’t support the event.
His before and after race interviews were some of the best he has ever had. Just look relaxed and happy. I think he is ready to go. Thought more people would pick up on that.
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