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Blows my mind people think this way.
You make a point, yet there is a counterpoint you have to consider. He is making his money off of displaying the athletic talents of young people doing life threatening things. Many of these people are under 20 years old. Of course, these athletes would be doing it somewhere else anyway, but DC and his company make an event of it and profit. That the DMG has a $1000000 lease fee, and the Coombs cabal has grown exponentially off this arrangement smacks of exploitation in light of the fact that the racers themselves are realistically not compensated for their risks. It appears also that the majority of the financial risk of putting on a national is in the hands of the individual track owners. With none of the physical or financial risks Coombs profits. The aversion to going to new locations or areas displays MXSports will not risk making money.
MX Sports should be double or triple that or why would they do it? They bring "the show" including infrastructure, marketing, sponsors, and overall publicity for the track that elevates the facility year round. I dreamed of riding these tracks and spent a ton to go to the Red Bud National multiple times once I could afford it.
I cannot understand the conspiracy theories and hate towards an organization (and individuals) that bleeds moto and has since the 70's.
Your response makes little-to-no-sense, and the amount of downvotes compliments that.
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Because things can always be better, and nobody is above criticism. Multiple things can be true at the same time.
- Davey Coombs is a great guy
- The riders should be paid better
- The outdoor series could be ran better
- The Coombs family makes a lot of profit from their monopoly on dirt bikes (Nationals, GNCC, Loretta's)
Just because the guy works hard, loves moto, and is nice doesn't mean he's above making some bad choices.
Well, you could have run with this, Michael…
Right. We're mad DC makes money? Everyone would feel better if he broke even and just did it for the love of the game?
I'm not real smart so the whole thing is confusing to me.
Who pays the riders that finish in paying positions? Are they paid per moto or overalls? I don't mean money from teams/sponsors.
Per moto from the race purse which is paid by the race promoter. However, the purse was increased last year. I'll have to ask who covered the increased purse.
Orrrr you could want everyone to make money. Most people do not have a problem with St Coombs making money. The problem is he appears to be the only one making money. Tracks are shutting down all over the place with out new ones popping up bc there is no money in it.
Bingo!
It's interesting that it's a "lease". Wild that someone can own a series. Couldn't MX Sports just start their own series and not have to lease it?
I'm sure there are non-competes in place but just seems odd that a corporation that wants nothing to do with motocross can just siphon a million a year from it.
Distribution do be where the money and power lies.
The reality is there is no shortage of young bodies waiting in line for the meat grinder. Simply labor economics. Same reason Dana pays $12k for a fight.
The circus makes bank off the clowns.
The Coombs family does not have a monopoly on dirt bikes lol. They don't run SX, Arenacross, the Enduro Series, desert racing, MXGP, WSX, Flat Track, Hard Enduro, or nearly every amateur event etc etc
What do you define as "a lot of profit"?
Have you seen their P&L's?
What business should operate for charity?
Riders being paid more......I would love for every rider to make more just like you, BUT they are not employed by MX Sports. They are contractors for the Teams they ride for and they also have the choice whether to line up, just like you have the choice to work where you do. The purse $ is determined by MX Sports/Feld/SMX and it just increased by a metric ton especially when you include SMX....which has brought more riders to the outdoors and I think that is great. Don't you?
And how does a track not succeeding have anything to do with the Coombs? They are supposed to prop up Chicken Licks raceway??
Anyone can. It would not be an “AMA Pro National”.
The door is quite open for a competitor if they genuinely look after the athletes. Would take some deep pockets and connections to hit the ground running but a lot of talent would migrate over time.
I see ONE Championship big boss Chatri doing this relative to the UFC.
People on this forum seem to have a real problem with other people making money in exchange for their time and efforts.
What pro national track has shut down? What does the Coombs family have to do with any local track? Fuck you people will blame everything on them just because? We might as well go back to blaming Weege for everything...
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anyone can do what the coombs have done. go ahead and try it instead of trying to tear down DC for doing it. its absolutely disgustin how many sit here complaining and have 0 experience or no clue what all it takes and what all has to be risked to accomplish but yet they are experts on how he should be doing it. sure is a lot of anti-acapitalists on this board who are likely employed only because of this capitalist society
Trey was also. He tried damn hard and from what I understand was visited by the powers at be and it was decided that the facility couldn’t meet some standard. Pit size? Parking, spectator access something like that. Had nothing to do with the track itself, the denial seemed silly from what I remember.
I too believe it’s fair that the emperor be compensated for the time and effort it takes to organize games.
They do.....but of course they are also the ones complaining they aren't paid enough at work and the bosses (who also shoulder all the responsibility) are "raking it in".
I do aswell to an extent, there’s zero justification to have 2500 dollar payouts to main event winners selling out entire stadiums. Insanity
Nobody has a problem with anyone making money. It is the Coomb's family seeming monopoly of a sport we all love, whether real or imagined. There is nothing wrong with questioning the operations of something important to you, or the motives of those involved. Like everything else in this sport, the veil of secrecy around these matters perpetuate suspicion and speculation. That none of the journalists in this sport are capable of getting to the bottom of matters of concern makes every fan in the dark make wild assumptions and helps keep this sportin the backwaters.
Bud is finally catching up to Unicorn Farts....
The series started in FL, part way through SX for years and we all thought it was fine. Move the opening round to other locations and add some variety.
I laugh when I hear people claim DC is getting rich by screwing everyone over. I have employees mad all the time because they only make $30 pr hour when the company is charging the customer $85 pr hour. There is a lot that goes into where the money goes. Do I think Davey is doing everything perfect? No. Do I think there needs to be improvements? Yes. But I also believe Davey has the sports best interest in mind. Would you rather have Feld in charge? I wouldn't.
The fans thinking it's fine isn't what they base the decision off of.
Pretty sure if you polled all the teams, they prefer MX to start in Cali or at least on the West Coast.
That would be great info for DC to put out there. How about 3 columns, MXS, Track Owners, Racers, and a line by line breakdown of where the cash in the sport is going.
I'm with you on purse money. But even more, it is is insane that we have gofundme campaigns to fund injuries that happen at these events. There is enough $ in this sport to cover the injuries that happen while racing.
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