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The only thing you can determine from a settlement existing is that the people who get to make the decision on each side agreed on a number. That is all you can take away from it. Says nothing about fault or anything else. When insurance is paying out, it doesn't matter at all if they think they have a winning case if they can make it go away for a number that works for them.
Can any of you locals confirm if this is the corner/embankment in question?
But why would two ex pro's join forces to sue a track? Knowing it would be controversial? Knowing there would be blowback.
This is the story
Monetary gain.
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Maybe RT decided he might not be awarded punitive damages in an amount that was worth a trial even with track liability on some level.
Should have been the lead single off that album
No that is the berm shown below on the vet track, but probably very similar setup to the berm in question. The below photo is from 10/2016 and its probably exactly what the berm looked like when he crashed. In the 4/2017 photo you can tell they added a little more dirt behind it but it wouldn't have changed the outcome with a whiskey throttle off of it.
Cool thank you now it makes sense. I've been trying to find a ground level view of the backside of that embankment, no luck.
So in this video from the vet track is that the backside of the berm in question on the right at 43 seconds?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4zaZhLYTQ
Here you go Mr Ape
Zoomed in
More ground level
From above
Seems pretty easy to see from the parking lot.
agreed, but you'll see nothing happen from the "media". next up will be posters bashing on ME for pointing out this fact and they'll tell me that I should do the job myself since I think I'm so smart.
From April 29, 2017 on their FB page...
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/18216492_18899527112…
Oops, never mind, I see early got it and them some. Good find!
15 pages later and we finally have pictures to use to form an opinion! Thanks early.
Aside from the other arguments that had to be fucking terrifying to lose control and launch off that berm. Those are the type of things that happen in my bad dreams.
Seems like they could shorten the straightaway some and solve the problem pretty easily.
Nice to finally see it.
Cliff is still a total misnomer.
Certainly a bad place to get yourself out of shape.
Really doesn't seem like some terrible egregious act against the riders by LACR.
Totally agree. Getting whiskey throttle there and missing your brakes is the stuff of nightmares for sure.
You can clearly see that berm from the parking lot, and the rest of the track. It wasn't some hidden part of the track.
Scary crash, glad the kid is recovered, I'm sure the medical bills were high regardless of insurance....but, again, screw Rich for trying to put blame on the track.
If you want to know how to ask for help, just go to the end of this video....pure class and no guilt trip or pressure. Starts at 10:00...
https://youtu.be/TlMGs43GsPw?si=v-3SgGmM8iBOV6VH
From that height you don't even really need to whiskey throttle very fast off the berm to end up way down on the flat, even if you just went over the berm it would be a bad time getting back up and back on your bike. Definitely a DFU situation.
I should have thought to check out their Instagram a few days ago.
Pit Row
I wont sue you, I wont go in your mouth, I'll never deny you lord,
Peter, you'll deny me three times before the cock crows.
Good intentions pave the way to hell they say
Then the injuries weren’t that bad. I don’t know how they could sue and show face still especially with the kid riding
I assume they built it up that high to try to prevent people going over onto the track that’s alongside (behind) it but in doing so they’ve made it a massive launch ramp. I feel like someone inspecting that track with a purely safety focus would highlight that as a concern but the rider in me wouldn’t look at it and think the worst. Still, wouldn’t fancy launching off it.
I can't be the only one thinking that bowl turn looks like badass fun. No doubt not a place to whiskey throttle, but from the images, there is not much leading into the bowl turn to cause a whiskey throttle so it by large appears perfectly safe for 99.9% of the time. We all bitch about boring tracks, and that track could easily have every corner be flat, I think it is a nice addition to the track.
As a father of teen boys, I have no input on what Rich did. Seeing your kid busted into pieces has to be the 2nd worse feeling we can have. I am not discrediting either direction of this thread, I am just saying I do not see anything that every one of us would not say is a badass/fun corner on that specific track.
The whole “I Hate Cancel Culture” response is a ridiculous defense used to deflect from the BS a company or person did to so-called “be cancelled”. People like doing business, being friends with or spending their money with companies and people that align with their values. If I don’t want to buy EKS and even if I would like to start a bonfire with others that don’t want to support the brand that sues race tracks, that’s a personal choice based on those values and so far we are still free to do so in the US.
Not letting Rich Taylor and family unload their bikes on your property is not cancel culture, it’s smart business. If they’ll sue LACR, they’ll definitely sue you. Not buying from EKS is not cancel culture, it’s a personal choice made based on the company owners’ character, or lack thereof.
If the morons spouting “this is cancel culture” don’t understand that, they obviously do not have any principles they adhere to enough to understand.
Maybe he couldn’t see it because he was looking for a cliff and not a sloped backside of a berm 🤷♂️
A 60 degree sloped backside is basically the same as a cliff when you put a 4 foot jump in front of it.
Was Henry Hill dangerous? What about the Chadapault? Would this berm have been "safe" if there were catch nets installed? What's the line to define when something becomes unsafe and worthy of a lawsuit?
Just like everyone has been saying in this thread, a jump is no different. If Chad had landed out in the flats instead of getting lucky on the side we would have had the same exact result - a downed rider with several broken bones.
Berms are not made to jump off, so that's why when you do, it's clearly a mistake the rider made.
This lawsuit can set a precedence and all the ambulance chasers can start going after every little mound on the track...."it was unsafe!"
Is this bowl turn still in place today?
Settlements don't create precedence, jury verdicts create precedence. There have been hundreds of cases against tracks for dangerous conditions, the only thing unique about this case is it was brought by a guy that makes his living off the industry.
If an ambulance chaser finds out someone got a nice 750k in a settlement they sure will be more prone to filing more lawsuits in hopes for the same reward. Injury attorneys are some of the biggest scum of the earth.
For anyone in SoCal if you happen to drive the 710 freeway take notice - for about 30 miles EVERY single billboard is an injury attorney, all from several different firms. The scum balls go after our insurance and take them for millions, most of which is unwarranted. Why do you think our insurance is skyrocketing?
Next thing you know one of these injury attorney scum balls will put up a billboard right next to the moto track, and that's how things will crumble.
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