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It was made probably 3/4 the way down the hill so while the berm itself was probably only 6-7 feet tall on the track side, it was probably 10-15 feet tall on the back side and depending on how far you launch it the drop gets taller.
Other than completely flattening it which would make that the most off camber turn in moto history the only thing they could have done would have been to axe that section of the track, or maybe added a single to slow people down, but then again you could launch off that too when out of control. Even if there was a 3 foot tall berm there if you launch you're going down quite a ways. I wonder how many people were saved from going over the berm since it was so tall with a lot of room to help you stop for the turn.
No, I cannot explain that, and nor can you if you were not there. That was my whole point about trusting the former pro who thought it was bad enough to request a change that same morning.
Why not just push the berm to the bottom of the hill? Putting the berm there took away the challenge of the off camber anyway.
Don't put your stock into a person, put your stock into information. Like I could tell you a story about Rick Ryan riding up here at Riverfront decades ago with his rear wheel totally blown out with dangling spokes. Not only did he have no clue about it until it was pointed out, but he kept riding on it after it was pointed out. True story by the way, but the point is not to discredit him, but to show how easy it is to flip a 180 on a person as a means of erasing their opinion.
Now if you told me that there were giant boulders on the other side of the berm, then we can search photos and video whatever else and come to an agreement on an objective reality. Here, putting our faith into one person, there can be no agreements on an objective reality. There are some life lessons in here too, but that's a real rabbit hole of a conversation.
And generally speaking, but especially in court, if someone can't articulate a position, it's because there isn't one.
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DonM & ML only said that it was a possibility that the suit was initiated by the insurance company in the policy holder's name, which could have very well been the case under the information available at the time. I didn't read what they posted as defending or minimizing anything.
Don called everyone a dipshit for believing cooksey. He then was exposed as having either zero industry knowledge or trying to throw up a smoke screen.
lastly, he backtracked and claimed to not know RT
There’s posts on Facebook about the little girl that died with a lot of comments wondering why they make small motorcycles and saying the parents should be jailed. Seems excessive now but in 10-15 years, could become reality. Lawsuits like this definitely aren’t helping.
He also said ML had to edit my post and correct me(lacr lawsuit) to clarify the falsehoods in my post. That I knew exactly what I was doing. The only thing that was edited in my post was what ML posted on i believe page 3 was added below my question. He tried multiple times to make me delete it or lock it and said if I didn't I wasn't innocent. He told me to f off shut the f up said I'm sucking the kooksey teet when I said multiple times im not a fan and don't trust the guy on everything. Said I'm dealing with zero fact and 100% speculation. (Isn't this what don does all the time) Don said I'm 100% bias when that's him all the time especially with cooksey and he later admitted he was biased. I didn't know what to think of the video and was on the fence. At first I was like all of this has to be false but as it went on longer I started to lean the other way.
But let's be real here, this isn't the first time or the last time don has done something like this.
In CT there was or is still a law that restricts kids from racing until they are older than 14 I think. And there was talk of parents being accused of child abuse for allowing kids that were younger to ride.
I have not been around many local races in a while so I'm not sure if that law is still around or not. Kids football was also brought up. So its unfortunately already been a thing. The last I looked into it, the Law in CT was being proposed to be changed. So it may be different now. But there were people at the time saying that allowing kids to race dirt bikes could be considered child abuse. I believe either a local news paper or news website ran a story on it back years ago. I'm sure somebody can find more info on that with a little searching. Back in the early 2000's they stopped running the smaller bike classes at Central Village because of the law.
That is one issue with motocross- If a child gets hurt the parent(s) are to blame..If my son were to get hurt, even my wife would blame me. But if it’s any other sport (basketball, soccer, football..etc) a parent is never blamed and it’s just “part of playing sports”..
that berm doesn't really look anymore dangerous than a ton of tracks I see. Like at Tomahawk that right hander after the big downhill looks more sketchy by a mile, if you whiskey there you're gonna launch into a holding pond
Most of the people saying things like that are the same worthless twats that wore masks in their car and will never do anything riskier than to have a second cup of coffee with their Sunday paper.
I haven’t read through all 13 pages…… we all know the risks when we through a leg over the seat? Of course we do. Dirt bikes are dangerous and we all know that. We ride because we like the adrenaline rush,we like pushing it to the limit and we enjoy riding with the family. If it was dangerous rich should have never let his kid ride period,but he did anyways. That’s no one’s fault but his own. You need to take responsibility for your own actions, If he needed the money for medical bills that should be on him and not the track responsibly to pay his bills. Regardless of who’s lying or not, there was some truth to what cooksey was saying and enough backlash for rich to make a statement. Pretty disappointing to here rich sued for not taking responsibility for his son getting hurt and could have gotten one of the best tracks in so cal shut down.
Does the kid still ride?
Yes. Was back riding in '18
Ok, dumb question is DonM (vital) the same person as Donn Maeda (SwapMoto) ?
I always thought they were different people
No, DonM is the resident know-it-all on vital and not Swap, Donn Maeda
Two different guys.
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Didn’t read everything but get the gist of it. So because there were major injuries it justified the suit.
Pretty much all tracks have sections of consideration. Take GH 40 man gate, hip jump, the first 20’ mound in the finish line section. That’s 3 on one track that has claimed many people.
One of my races got cut short when someone whiskied off Shoie hill and ended up in Taladega
Shouldn’t be able to sue for your own actions.
Did we see somewhere they got 700k for the settlement? After attorneys fees and reimbursing the insurance company for medical bills doesn’t seem like they got enough money to justify the trouble this would do to Eks and their reputation inside the industry. I am totally guessing but insurance company probably laid out at north of 250k to get the poor kid all patched up again?
As a lifelong motocross racer and fan of the sport, I would never sue a track. When we sign the waiver we assume the risks. It's on us. We need every track we can get, more and more shut down every year.
I saw a gentleman get landed on by his friend at Woodland MX in WA state a couple years ago and I did the same thing. I was done for the day. Left right then and there. Didn't even bother getting a refund.
"Circlejerk" is the term you're looking for.
But the real Swap is Chad Pederson - I forgot which one posts here on Vital...
Soooo, did Taylor or Ryan have a beef with the track owner beforehand ???
That would make a difference, because I bet they did.
Mxdez....all ive seen is people raising money for the bar x guy... See the difference? Own taking care of own.. i bet similar happened or coulda happened with Rich's kid but instead hes going after the track owner..
You assuming other people would sue is funny too.. People literally telling you theyd never sue over something like this and youre trying to tell them they would.. Youve got a nickel in this somewhere..
No way you can pile up dirt and make a cliff, only a slope.
The ex pro that claimed cliff is now nearly elderly and let's just consider his level of head protection through his days. Probably bumped it a few times. Ive got 28 years in the sport and can say i won at Daytona too (lol, only slow amature class tho) and if thats a cliff then ive got life all wrong.
Considering we have heard zero from LACR how is it possible for the vitard lawyers to form a conclusion. I think it’s safe for me to say both parties lawyers felt there was some form of liability by the track owners irrespective of Vital’s mob mentality.
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