from some very "inside" people at the sx races

BobbyM wrote:

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with...

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with a board position should be reality instead of a pipe dream.

lotta buzz going on...not just because tedesco and rv almost got killed.

IRISH ED wrote:

I agree. It is not good for your sport when the top guys are out hurt. Just like it is not good for the NFL to...

I agree. It is not good for your sport when the top guys are out hurt. Just like it is not good for the NFL to have to play a lot of backup QB's.

If you are part of the Outdoor Nationals with a track or Lucas or DC, that could not have been much fun to watch.

TriRacer27 wrote:

Sucks for Kawasaki. They invested more than anyone else (Reed and RV combined) and both riders ended up getting hurt. If I was a sponsor, you...

Sucks for Kawasaki. They invested more than anyone else (Reed and RV combined) and both riders ended up getting hurt. If I was a sponsor, you would have a hard time convincing me it was worth it.

BobbyM wrote:

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with...

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with a board position should be reality instead of a pipe dream.

lotta buzz going on...not just because tedesco and rv almost got killed.

MXR wrote:

SX tracks CAN be made to be SAFER and still EXCITING for the fan sitting in the seats .

WhipMeister wrote:

Some moron will be along any second to say "Dood!?!? It's a danjeruhs spoart! Separaits the men from the bohuyz! Go big or go home! About...

Some moron will be along any second to say

"Dood!?!? It's a danjeruhs spoart! Separaits the men from the bohuyz! Go big or go home! About a meellion guys jumped that same jump about a meellion tahmz without hurtin themselfz. It's there oawn dahumned fault they got thesselves busted up".

TriRacer27 wrote:

Sucks for Kawasaki. They invested more than anyone else (Reed and RV combined) and both riders ended up getting hurt. If I was a sponsor, you...

Sucks for Kawasaki. They invested more than anyone else (Reed and RV combined) and both riders ended up getting hurt. If I was a sponsor, you would have a hard time convincing me it was worth it.

neverwasfastenuf wrote:

The only obstacle involved in Reed's injury was a corner and a guy on a blue bike.

TriRacer27 wrote:

Well, lets not get get carried away with the pitchforks, lets look at the facts: Stewart - stupid move got himself injured Reed - just an...

Well, lets not get get carried away with the pitchforks, lets look at the facts:

Stewart - stupid move got himself injured
Reed - just an accident
Grant - just an accident
Short - debatable, standard triple but with a tricky run up to it
Millsaps - who knows

Langston - avoidable
Villopoto - avoidable
Tedesco - avoidable

But yeah, since the Alessi incident at Red Bud last year rider safety has been an obvious gap. No it wont prevent all injuries in SX, but if it can save the career of one rider then that should be enough motivation.

IRISH ED wrote:

I agree. It is not good for your sport when the top guys are out hurt. Just like it is not good for the NFL to...

I agree. It is not good for your sport when the top guys are out hurt. Just like it is not good for the NFL to have to play a lot of backup QB's.

If you are part of the Outdoor Nationals with a track or Lucas or DC, that could not have been much fun to watch.

The Rock wrote:

What do the the Outdoor Nationals have to do with this thread?

pilotdude wrote:

If I was Kawasaki, I would be beyond anger and into actions. Actions that would make the person or persons responsible for ignoring Reed's warning pay...

If I was Kawasaki, I would be beyond anger and into actions. Actions that would make the person or persons responsible for ignoring Reed's warning pay. He is one of the most experienced and successfull supercross riders of all time and went the extra mile to point out an obvious and extremely dangerous situation.

He was ignored. Two riders almost died because of it and the championship is now over with 3 rounds to go.

The fans lost, the sport lost, and Ryan Villopoto and Ivan Tedesco, two of our favorite and fastest riders lost huge.

Bobby, I hope that these "very inside" people take some VERY strong actions against those responsible for ignoring that warning and that they are made to pay.

Fucking big time.

And the next time the riders say JUMP on a safety issue, whoever the hell is in charge better say, "How high sir?!"

MXR wrote:

Bobby these asswipes won't do anything untill someone gets killed and then it will be too late .

roguemx wrote:

Jason Ciarletta? He died and still no one did anything.

Hank_Thrill wrote:

Solution seems pretty simple to me: 1) tame down the tracks 2) No retarded jumps (like that triple) 3) put some restrictor plates , or something...

Solution seems pretty simple to me: 1) tame down the tracks 2) No retarded jumps (like that triple) 3) put some restrictor plates , or something, on the 450s to slow them down (at least for Supercross). That or go back to 250 two-strokes, which ain't gonna happen!


Dirt Werx have had to accommodate the tracks to the four-strokes by making the gaps bigger (Rich Winkler, RacerX interview). If you tame back the bikes, the tracks will be tamed back as well. Racers will be able to race their hardest, as fast as the bike will allow, and since the bikes will be de-tuned, hopefully the speeds will be within safer riding limits.

Ozzy wrote:

Reps, we don't need no stinkin reps! Commonsense is what's needed. No more no less. But it's always the same call, as in no call at...

Reps, we don't need no stinkin reps!
Commonsense is what's needed.
No more no less.
But it's always the same call, as in no call at all.
And yeah it blows big time. Funny, the powers that be sure all look the part.
Shirts, hats, jackets, pretty official looking if you ask me, but that's all there is it seems.
Poor calls, poor rulings if even at all, & here again, nothing!
Was Reed right? Sure he was & is.
Racing's dangerous, that's a given.
When Champions speak you listen. If not get people who will.
No one, & I mean no one (track officials) walking around that track or others lately can really say anything . All they're supposed to do is listen, loud & clear. Why, you say! It's simple. If any on the sanctioning side or track building or promoting side can go bar to bar with say a Chad Reed, then ok then, but none are even in the same galaxy, in other words clearly not qualified to judge if a section or obstacle is dangerous or not.
Can the track builders always get it right? No.
Can the AMA/FIM crew always get it right? No.
Can the promoters always get it right? No.
Can they listen? Yes.
Should they listen? Yes.
To me, this is another example of bad everything.
No reason.
No excuse.
I blame all the blamable.
If I was an OEM, sending my highly paid guys out there to do battle in such conditions I'd be making some noise. Plenty of noise.
Mistakes are easy.
Problems do arise.
When such is noted & ignored, that's clearly a human thing, to ignore is human!
I'm bitter cause I know those guys, RV & Ivan. Even if I didn't their pain & suffering is on the hands of others.
They always seem to listen, fix, whatever after the fact.
Pro activeness is what, just a lost term!
Again, they were told.
Again, they were warned.
If these were kids, they'd be sent to their room without any dinner!
If these were my guys I'd be beyond angry & upset.
I hope all that had a hand in this are relaxing comfortably at home right now.
I hope all those that had a hand in skating the issues are thinking of RV & Ivan.
Time for some new blood.
Dave O.

Ozzy wrote:

Reps, we don't need no stinkin reps! Commonsense is what's needed. No more no less. But it's always the same call, as in no call at...

Reps, we don't need no stinkin reps!
Commonsense is what's needed.
No more no less.
But it's always the same call, as in no call at all.
And yeah it blows big time. Funny, the powers that be sure all look the part.
Shirts, hats, jackets, pretty official looking if you ask me, but that's all there is it seems.
Poor calls, poor rulings if even at all, & here again, nothing!
Was Reed right? Sure he was & is.
Racing's dangerous, that's a given.
When Champions speak you listen. If not get people who will.
No one, & I mean no one (track officials) walking around that track or others lately can really say anything . All they're supposed to do is listen, loud & clear. Why, you say! It's simple. If any on the sanctioning side or track building or promoting side can go bar to bar with say a Chad Reed, then ok then, but none are even in the same galaxy, in other words clearly not qualified to judge if a section or obstacle is dangerous or not.
Can the track builders always get it right? No.
Can the AMA/FIM crew always get it right? No.
Can the promoters always get it right? No.
Can they listen? Yes.
Should they listen? Yes.
To me, this is another example of bad everything.
No reason.
No excuse.
I blame all the blamable.
If I was an OEM, sending my highly paid guys out there to do battle in such conditions I'd be making some noise. Plenty of noise.
Mistakes are easy.
Problems do arise.
When such is noted & ignored, that's clearly a human thing, to ignore is human!
I'm bitter cause I know those guys, RV & Ivan. Even if I didn't their pain & suffering is on the hands of others.
They always seem to listen, fix, whatever after the fact.
Pro activeness is what, just a lost term!
Again, they were told.
Again, they were warned.
If these were kids, they'd be sent to their room without any dinner!
If these were my guys I'd be beyond angry & upset.
I hope all that had a hand in this are relaxing comfortably at home right now.
I hope all those that had a hand in skating the issues are thinking of RV & Ivan.
Time for some new blood.
Dave O.

andymoto wrote:

[b]No one, & I mean no one (track officials) walking around that track or others lately can really say anything . All they're supposed to do...

No one, & I mean no one (track officials) walking around that track or others lately can really say anything . All they're supposed to do is listen, loud & clear. Why, you say! It's simple. If any on the sanctioning side or track building or promoting side can go bar to bar with say a Chad Reed, then ok then, but none are even in the same galaxy, in other words clearly not qualified to judge if a section or obstacle is dangerous or not.

Highlighted the above because it just shows how seriously rider safety is taken.

While it probably won't happen, Team Kawasaki should boycott the remainder of the SX season and concentrate on testing/prepping Reed for the Outdoor Nationals and any possible replacement being considered for RV. I wouldn't have Reed step on any SX track period for the remainder of the season since he made warning that were left to those with deaf ears and no concious to respond to a multi time champs safety concerns and didn't. .

I've been to enough rider meetings and heard complaints made after Press Days that continued still during Sat AM riders meetings that fell on deaf ears.

Although even top riders voiced concerns, nothing was done and subsequently, a top riders career ended one Sat afternoon during factory practice at the end of the '90s.

Best wishes on a speedy and perfect recovery to Villapoto and Tedesco.

Chad Reed tried, but the know it alls didn't want to listen. Kudos for trying CR22.

AM

BobbyM wrote:

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with...

many...many riders are pissed off that the track wasn't "fixed" after reed told them wtf to do. nother good reason why a vocal rider voice with a board position should be reality instead of a pipe dream.

lotta buzz going on...not just because tedesco and rv almost got killed.

neverwasfastenuf wrote:

Didn't the AMA hire Wardy recently to basically be the go between?

Spinner wrote:

They would have "fixed it" if Stewart bitched about it.

Spinner wrote:

They would have "fixed it" if Stewart bitched about it.

TeamGreen wrote:

Yes, but, James...and Larry, use a cooperative and "open" dialogue with the Dirt Wurx crew; also, they are quick to let the guys know when...

Yes, but, James...and Larry, use a cooperative and "open" dialogue with the Dirt Wurx crew; also, they are quick to let the guys know when the track is good, too.

When the rain was comin' down at the 1st race(s) and everyone was SURE that the track was going to be a swamp...

James was tellin' the crew how "awesome" the track was and how he couldn't believe how good the dirt was...and DRY. He was all smiles and made sure that they knew he appreciated their effort.

How you talk to people...that makes a difference...

Hank_Thrill wrote:

Solution seems pretty simple to me: 1) tame down the tracks 2) No retarded jumps (like that triple) 3) put some restrictor plates , or something...

Solution seems pretty simple to me: 1) tame down the tracks 2) No retarded jumps (like that triple) 3) put some restrictor plates , or something, on the 450s to slow them down (at least for Supercross). That or go back to 250 two-strokes, which ain't gonna happen!


Dirt Werx have had to accommodate the tracks to the four-strokes by making the gaps bigger (Rich Winkler, RacerX interview). If you tame back the bikes, the tracks will be tamed back as well. Racers will be able to race their hardest, as fast as the bike will allow, and since the bikes will be de-tuned, hopefully the speeds will be within safer riding limits.

jbomx363 wrote:

Riders Union. Until that happens, they get what they get. A riders rep on a board will be out voted every time.

WhKnuckle wrote:

At the end of the day, though, Villo was way short on that jump. I don't know why, but even if they'd cut it down to...

At the end of the day, though, Villo was way short on that jump. I don't know why, but even if they'd cut it down to 2' high, he wouldn't have cleared it cleanly. I don't know what actually happened to IT, but I heard he crashed in the corner.

Reed was absolutely right about that section, and kudos for speaking up. But shaving some off the top and improving the landing wouldn't help Villo.

WhKnuckle wrote:

At the end of the day, though, Villo was way short on that jump. I don't know why, but even if they'd cut it down to...

At the end of the day, though, Villo was way short on that jump. I don't know why, but even if they'd cut it down to 2' high, he wouldn't have cleared it cleanly. I don't know what actually happened to IT, but I heard he crashed in the corner.

Reed was absolutely right about that section, and kudos for speaking up. But shaving some off the top and improving the landing wouldn't help Villo.

TriRacer27 wrote:

I'm not saying Reed's injury was from the tracks. I'm just saying that keeping riders healthy should be the first priority if they want the sport...

I'm not saying Reed's injury was from the tracks. I'm just saying that keeping riders healthy should be the first priority if they want the sport to attract heavy investment. There's already enough danger (example Reed's injury), and when a team gets stacked like Kawasaki did, it sucks that both of their riders got injured.

A sponsor wont care why neither rider came away with the championship. When Monster funded 2 of the top 3 pre-season favorites and comes away with nothing, it can not be good motivation for further investment.