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5/31/2024 1:53pm
Am I the only one in disbelief the name of the courthouse is the Michael Antonovich courthouse?  What a crazy coincidence with SwapMotoLive's guy Anton.  This...

Am I the only one in disbelief the name of the courthouse is the Michael Antonovich courthouse?  What a crazy coincidence with SwapMotoLive's guy Anton.  This is a hilarious twist in an otherwise horrible situation for our sport.

I thought the same thing for years driving through another neighboring area seeing a sign off the 5 freeway with Michael Antonovich all over it. Always thought it was cool even if just a coincidence.

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5/31/2024 1:54pm

So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not? 

I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad as his son.. 

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5/31/2024 2:01pm
Fox88 wrote:
So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not?  I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad...

So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not? 

I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad as his son.. 

We already sorted this out, he raced for his kid in the Shaft Drive class on Deegan's old PW 50 that is bored to a 60.  

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5/31/2024 2:42pm
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I just dug through the Cooksey video....let's clear up a few inaccuracies. 1. It wasn't a Loretta Lynn Regional, the younger Taylor brother only attempted LL...

I just dug through the Cooksey video....let's clear up a few inaccuracies.

1. It wasn't a Loretta Lynn Regional, the younger Taylor brother only attempted LL one time on 85s and never tried for it again. The crash was at a Road to Mammoth race in late February of 2017.

2. The 15 foot down side berm was actually around 40-50 feet down a cliff/steep hillside. I remember the crash area because it was insanely sketchy how the section was built and I personally swapped and almost ate shit off that corner around two weeks before. Donn Maeda crashed in the same section the week prior at a Transworld race and requested the section be changed because he almost flew off the same cliff. Looking down the section you'd fly off, literally, scared the hell out of me...

3. The most obvious thing that can't be overlooked when you look up basic court docs, when injured if the injured party has major medical bills, the insurance company will sue anyone and everything attached to the incident to recoop their loss on the payout. The lawsuit is filed under the injured person's name, not the insurance company's name. If the injured party doesn't co-operate with the lawsuit, they will suspend payments to medical bills, etc. 

Shitty part is most of this falls under NDAs and unless someone wants to get sued...it's hard to release details of the case itself.

4. Injuries to Zach were pretty severe, it wasn't just a broken pelvis. His total broken bone count was around 30. Shattered both ankles, his wrists, broken toes, broken sacrum, broken pelvis, collapsed a lung, and a ruptured bladder. He had three blood transfusions, and actually flat-lined at the hopsital. He was fucked up, over three weeks in UCLA hospital.

5. Rich would've gone to the hospital with Zach with the severity of his injuries, he's also over 200 pounds trying to pose as his 120lb 13 year old son the same day? Again, this was in late February, there was only one are qualifier for LL that had happened that year before that date, that was at ACP. There was no area or regional qualifiers for LL scheduled at LACR in 2017

Who is over 200lbs ? 

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5/31/2024 2:57pm
ML512 wrote:
I just dug through the Cooksey video....let's clear up a few inaccuracies. 1. It wasn't a Loretta Lynn Regional, the younger Taylor brother only attempted LL...

I just dug through the Cooksey video....let's clear up a few inaccuracies.

1. It wasn't a Loretta Lynn Regional, the younger Taylor brother only attempted LL one time on 85s and never tried for it again. The crash was at a Road to Mammoth race in late February of 2017.

2. The 15 foot down side berm was actually around 40-50 feet down a cliff/steep hillside. I remember the crash area because it was insanely sketchy how the section was built and I personally swapped and almost ate shit off that corner around two weeks before. Donn Maeda crashed in the same section the week prior at a Transworld race and requested the section be changed because he almost flew off the same cliff. Looking down the section you'd fly off, literally, scared the hell out of me...

3. The most obvious thing that can't be overlooked when you look up basic court docs, when injured if the injured party has major medical bills, the insurance company will sue anyone and everything attached to the incident to recoop their loss on the payout. The lawsuit is filed under the injured person's name, not the insurance company's name. If the injured party doesn't co-operate with the lawsuit, they will suspend payments to medical bills, etc. 

Shitty part is most of this falls under NDAs and unless someone wants to get sued...it's hard to release details of the case itself.

4. Injuries to Zach were pretty severe, it wasn't just a broken pelvis. His total broken bone count was around 30. Shattered both ankles, his wrists, broken toes, broken sacrum, broken pelvis, collapsed a lung, and a ruptured bladder. He had three blood transfusions, and actually flat-lined at the hopsital. He was fucked up, over three weeks in UCLA hospital.

5. Rich would've gone to the hospital with Zach with the severity of his injuries, he's also over 200 pounds trying to pose as his 120lb 13 year old son the same day? Again, this was in late February, there was only one are qualifier for LL that had happened that year before that date, that was at ACP. There was no area or regional qualifiers for LL scheduled at LACR in 2017

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Who is over 200lbs ? 

He was saying that Rich was 200 pounds and Riches kid was 13 and 120 pounds at the time.

5/31/2024 2:57pm

Lawsuits and insurance claims aside, if I’m RT and EKS, I’d be pretty heated with Cooksey right now especially when they’re in the middle of a lawsuit and can’t legally say anything or defend themselves at this time. Cooksey got everything he wanted out of this and more and it’s just pathetic. Just a guy in his garage running his mouth in front of a camera without all the facts. Moto media probably won’t talk about this because they don’t have all of the facts. Ya know, something an actual journalist would do. 

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5/31/2024 3:06pm

He was saying that Rich was 200 pounds and Riches kid was 13 and 120 pounds at the time.

Michael is grossly overestimating Rich’s weight. Lol

 

NOTE~ this has zero to do with the situation, I was just poking fun at Michael. 
I’m not sure what he weighs, but I’d guess 170 max. 

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5/31/2024 3:22pm

He was saying that Rich was 200 pounds and Riches kid was 13 and 120 pounds at the time.

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Michael is grossly overestimating Rich’s weight. Lol   NOTE~ this has zero to do with the situation, I was just poking fun at Michael.  I’m not...

Michael is grossly overestimating Rich’s weight. Lol

 

NOTE~ this has zero to do with the situation, I was just poking fun at Michael. 
I’m not sure what he weighs, but I’d guess 170 max. 

Yah I have no idea what he may weigh.  It did sound a little high to me, but  I didn't put much thought into  and figured it was to explain that there was an obvious visual size difference that would make it hard to pull off. 

  

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5/31/2024 3:27pm
I have read through all these pages and have two conclusions. 1.  Cooksey is a complete asshat for approaching the video the way he did.  He...

I have read through all these pages and have two conclusions.

1.  Cooksey is a complete asshat for approaching the video the way he did.  He could have had an ounce of class and reported what he actually knew, but he had to resort to name calling and being downright disrespectful to the Taylor's without knowing what really happened.

2. Regardless of who (industry or not) is claiming, the only way a track should be liable for injuries is IF they were negligent.......i.e driving a tractor on a live track and someone jumps into it or creating a scenario that is outside of the racing like dangerous pit activities or something like that.  If the Taylors are actually the ones pursuing this, and it seems like they are, they knew the obstacles on the track before lining up and had the choice whether to race or not.

I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom...

I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom line, though, this isn't about Cooksey. It's about a prominent member of the community doing (for me at least) the unthinkable and expecting to still profit in the industry he's harmed.

The more I look into this case, though, the more I find what Rich and family did was appalling. I also know that before filing, he must've deeply considered the affect it would have on his business if he did it, and he still chose to push on for the bag. Well, he's getting the bag and now he is going to have to face the repercussions of that decision. 

I appreciate industry insiders trying to protect him and possibly their money, but I think now that it's out, you need to step back and let the chips fall. The community deserves to know who they're letting ride at their tracks and who they're sending money to

I personally would not allow the Taylor family to unload their bikes on my property ever again if I was a track owner. As far as buying not their goggles, that goes without saying. 

 

DonM wrote:

I haven't seen any proof that the insurance company isn't behind all this....

Industry guys...

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5/31/2024 3:30pm

Is it possible that the Taylor's (and legeal team) had to fabricate the story in court about Rich riding to get around the waiver?

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5/31/2024 3:46pm

Moto media good ol’ boys club. Attack the source, smother the story, fabricate new narratives. 

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5/31/2024 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2024 4:42pm

I was at a race (in WA) a couple weeks ago. During the riders meeting, while addressing pit bikes, spectators where they shouldn’t be, etc, they said that in 2023 there were six insurance companies who would insure race tracks…and this year there are 2. They said they barely got insurance this year. 
 

They went on to explain that the companies are reportedly sending reps to tracks throughout the year, watching for how well the owners/promoters keep safety issues in check.

I have no further information to verify, but given what insurance companies have been doing with cars, it seems plausible. 
 

What really boils my blood is that some of these insurance companies have a half billion or more in annual advertising budget alone. Yet when they pay a claim of a few 100 thousand, they employ their retained legal counsel to go after people like track owners.

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The notion that media can't or shouldn't report on this because the guy that sponsors their website says "hey sorry I can't talk, NDA...." is just not how journalism works. Took me a bored night at work to come up with plenty of info.

This is at a minimum plenty newsworthy to the local moto community where most of these guys live. Anyone contact a lawyer for comment? Do any digging? Sign up for the 14 day free trial of trellis that gives you access to all of the case documents? You can report on what you know. If you want to. Instead we end up with no middle ground between motobro media and total nut jobs and a total void of info. 

Also, NDA's are a choice. If you run a business within the moto community, it's a choice with a heavy cost if you're just along for the ride and can't defend yourself in the process. Not fighting your insurance company when they go for subrogation is not the same thing as an NDA.

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IMO this is the #1 problem with society today, on social media etc, people are soo quick to convict someone with less than 1/2 of the...

IMO this is the #1 problem with society today, on social media etc, people are soo quick to convict someone with less than 1/2 of the truth, hiding behind their keyboards. Complete Bullshit.

I am going to go out and buy a couple pairs of EKS brands and wait for the truth to come out.

 

Maybe don't buy the goggles until you know the truth? You're acting the same way as the people you're calling out

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5/31/2024 5:23pm
Fox88 wrote:
So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not?  I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad...

So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not? 

I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad as his son.. 

Hahaha I see what you did there.  If you know you know, well played

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I have read through all these pages and have two conclusions. 1.  Cooksey is a complete asshat for approaching the video the way he did.  He...

I have read through all these pages and have two conclusions.

1.  Cooksey is a complete asshat for approaching the video the way he did.  He could have had an ounce of class and reported what he actually knew, but he had to resort to name calling and being downright disrespectful to the Taylor's without knowing what really happened.

2. Regardless of who (industry or not) is claiming, the only way a track should be liable for injuries is IF they were negligent.......i.e driving a tractor on a live track and someone jumps into it or creating a scenario that is outside of the racing like dangerous pit activities or something like that.  If the Taylors are actually the ones pursuing this, and it seems like they are, they knew the obstacles on the track before lining up and had the choice whether to race or not.

I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom...

I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom line, though, this isn't about Cooksey. It's about a prominent member of the community doing (for me at least) the unthinkable and expecting to still profit in the industry he's harmed.

The more I look into this case, though, the more I find what Rich and family did was appalling. I also know that before filing, he must've deeply considered the affect it would have on his business if he did it, and he still chose to push on for the bag. Well, he's getting the bag and now he is going to have to face the repercussions of that decision. 

I appreciate industry insiders trying to protect him and possibly their money, but I think now that it's out, you need to step back and let the chips fall. The community deserves to know who they're letting ride at their tracks and who they're sending money to

I personally would not allow the Taylor family to unload their bikes on my property ever again if I was a track owner. As far as buying not their goggles, that goes without saying. 

 

DonM wrote:

I haven't seen any proof that the insurance company isn't behind all this....

Well the only thing we have to go by is he’s listed as the plaintiff. So if anyone needs to prove it’s the insurance company and not him the onus would be on the one listed on the documents we can see. So in you words we haven’t seen any proof RT is not behind this.

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Well the only thing we have to go by is he’s listed as the plaintiff. So if anyone needs to prove it’s the insurance company and...

Well the only thing we have to go by is he’s listed as the plaintiff. So if anyone needs to prove it’s the insurance company and not him the onus would be on the one listed on the documents we can see. So in you words we haven’t seen any proof RT is not behind this.

Exactly. After talking to a family member thats been in the medical insurance business for 20+ years and a friend that's a lawyer its looking to me like its him that sued. I was hoping this was another bs clickbait video. 

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I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom...

I agree, I think Cooksey would have gotten just as many eyeballs and still gotten his point across without the direct attacks and name calling. Bottom line, though, this isn't about Cooksey. It's about a prominent member of the community doing (for me at least) the unthinkable and expecting to still profit in the industry he's harmed.

The more I look into this case, though, the more I find what Rich and family did was appalling. I also know that before filing, he must've deeply considered the affect it would have on his business if he did it, and he still chose to push on for the bag. Well, he's getting the bag and now he is going to have to face the repercussions of that decision. 

I appreciate industry insiders trying to protect him and possibly their money, but I think now that it's out, you need to step back and let the chips fall. The community deserves to know who they're letting ride at their tracks and who they're sending money to

I personally would not allow the Taylor family to unload their bikes on my property ever again if I was a track owner. As far as buying not their goggles, that goes without saying. 

 

DonM wrote:

I haven't seen any proof that the insurance company isn't behind all this....

yak651 wrote:
Well the only thing we have to go by is he’s listed as the plaintiff. So if anyone needs to prove it’s the insurance company and...

Well the only thing we have to go by is he’s listed as the plaintiff. So if anyone needs to prove it’s the insurance company and not him the onus would be on the one listed on the documents we can see. So in you words we haven’t seen any proof RT is not behind this.

In every subrogated case, where the insurer sues, its done under the policy holders name...as has been said multiple times in this thread the insurance companies typically will not pay claims, or continue to pay claims unless the injured party agrees to allow them to pursue legal means under the name of the injured party....but Kooksey and his unintelligent mob have circled their wagons around the Taylor family....the fact that people follow and believe that shitbag is insanity...

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I was at a race (in WA) a couple weeks ago. During the riders meeting, while addressing pit bikes, spectators where they shouldn’t be, etc, they...

I was at a race (in WA) a couple weeks ago. During the riders meeting, while addressing pit bikes, spectators where they shouldn’t be, etc, they said that in 2023 there were six insurance companies who would insure race tracks…and this year there are 2. They said they barely got insurance this year. 
 

They went on to explain that the companies are reportedly sending reps to tracks throughout the year, watching for how well the owners/promoters keep safety issues in check.

I have no further information to verify, but given what insurance companies have been doing with cars, it seems plausible. 
 

What really boils my blood is that some of these insurance companies have a half billion or more in annual advertising budget alone. Yet when they pay a claim of a few 100 thousand, they employ their retained legal counsel to go after people like track owners.

Insurance companies are sending out drones to inspect peoples roofs and properties to ensure that they are "coverable". I've read a couple articles lately on the lengths they will go to deny coverage. I ride a couple private tracks and I can easily see them being shut down if insurance finds out they are on a property even if no-one ever gets hurt. They will just deny your ability to get coverage. F-ing lawyers in the US will be the ruin of our society.

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Lawsuits and insurance claims aside, if I’m RT and EKS, I’d be pretty heated with Cooksey right now especially when they’re in the middle of a...

Lawsuits and insurance claims aside, if I’m RT and EKS, I’d be pretty heated with Cooksey right now especially when they’re in the middle of a lawsuit and can’t legally say anything or defend themselves at this time. Cooksey got everything he wanted out of this and more and it’s just pathetic. Just a guy in his garage running his mouth in front of a camera without all the facts. Moto media probably won’t talk about this because they don’t have all of the facts. Ya know, something an actual journalist would do. 

"Open a big can of whupass!"

 

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Is it possible that the Taylor's (and legeal team) had to fabricate the story in court about Rich riding to get around the waiver?

Legal team will NOT commit insurance fraud.

Well, that used ti be the rule...🫥

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Who knows what the truth is? The devil is always in the detail.

But I have always found looking at the parties reputation and standing usually tells the story.

Rich appears to have a solid reputation, successful in life and business.

Cooksey…….

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There's an old saying " Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house " 

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If cooksey is wrong he will normally post a follow up video correcting misinformation, and while I'm tentative to get my info from a guy in a jujitsu shirt the one fact we know for sure is the Plaintiff is Rich Taylor not the insurance company, its there in black and white

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Lawsuits and insurance claims aside, if I’m RT and EKS, I’d be pretty heated with Cooksey right now especially when they’re in the middle of a...

Lawsuits and insurance claims aside, if I’m RT and EKS, I’d be pretty heated with Cooksey right now especially when they’re in the middle of a lawsuit and can’t legally say anything or defend themselves at this time. Cooksey got everything he wanted out of this and more and it’s just pathetic. Just a guy in his garage running his mouth in front of a camera without all the facts. Moto media probably won’t talk about this because they don’t have all of the facts. Ya know, something an actual journalist would do. 

An extreme majority of moto media would not talk about this because ad revenue/good ol' boys club. They are not journalists. 

As someone else pointed out, they could have gone and gotten SOME of the "facts" and reported what they know. Yet it took how many years for Vital folks to learn about this? 

How many people do you think are on this forum (active or lurking) that have known Rich Taylor and LACR have been on opposite sides of the litigation table?

You are right in that they won't talk until they have "all of the facts", but that is only because plausible deniability and pulling out the "let's wait until we have all the facts" card is no longer an option.

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5/31/2024 9:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2024 10:10pm

Guys if Cooksey is far off with the facts, a defamation claim will come—100%. We know RT has no problem suing and he has a legal team that just made over $200,000 off his last lawsuit. You can’t defame a person and a company untruthfully with a platform and then sit back and not expect to be served. Especially if you’re profiting off what you say and Cooksey is. I do not think that’s the case here but if it is, Cooksey will be buying a lot of goggles. 

I’ve known Cooksey for some years and while I often disagree with his opinion and even more often disagree with his delivery, I’ve never known him to be a liar. I guarantee he talked to people closely involved and while the story may have been told to him a little skewed from a person with their own agenda, he knows how to make sure he’s close enough to cover his ass. 

This is one of those stories that should have nothing to do with Cooksey, and I personally appreciate him getting it out. Nobody in the industry paid to tell us this stuff, would have. I was told years ago when I was chasing the series that LACR was in trouble from a lawsuit and even told it was an industry insider suing them, but nobody that knew came off the name RT. I thought maybe it was a promoter or some business lawsuit stuff since it was someone inside the sport. An insider suing a staple in SoCal MX like LACR for a race injury just never crossed my mind. I would’ve thought the industry would blow them out for that.

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lol, calling somebody a coward for not talking to him or going on his show, when surely he knows that Rich would have signed an NDA says it all.

he doesn’t care about the truth, he only cares about the clicks.

and to say Racer X, Pulp etc didn’t report the story because they are on the payroll, I get it to a point, but they cover the professional sport. I have never heard/read them talking specifics about any similar court cases with tracks that are not professional events. So they are consistent at least.

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Guys if Cooksey is far off with the facts, a defamation claim will come—100%. We know RT has no problem suing and he has a legal...

Guys if Cooksey is far off with the facts, a defamation claim will come—100%. We know RT has no problem suing and he has a legal team that just made over $200,000 off his last lawsuit. You can’t defame a person and a company untruthfully with a platform and then sit back and not expect to be served. Especially if you’re profiting off what you say and Cooksey is. I do not think that’s the case here but if it is, Cooksey will be buying a lot of goggles. 

I’ve known Cooksey for some years and while I often disagree with his opinion and even more often disagree with his delivery, I’ve never known him to be a liar. I guarantee he talked to people closely involved and while the story may have been told to him a little skewed from a person with their own agenda, he knows how to make sure he’s close enough to cover his ass. 

This is one of those stories that should have nothing to do with Cooksey, and I personally appreciate him getting it out. Nobody in the industry paid to tell us this stuff, would have. I was told years ago when I was chasing the series that LACR was in trouble from a lawsuit and even told it was an industry insider suing them, but nobody that knew came off the name RT. I thought maybe it was a promoter or some business lawsuit stuff since it was someone inside the sport. An insider suing a staple in SoCal MX like LACR for a race injury just never crossed my mind. I would’ve thought the industry would blow them out for that.

What is this last lawsuit you mentioned?  

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So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not?  I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad...

So the Dad rode as his son to qualify for Loretta's or not? 

I remember a girl racing as her twin brother, but never a Dad as his son.. 

Hahaha I see what you did there.  If you know you know, well played

Wasn’t the crazy twist that she was dating Glover or something?!?!

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