AMA Penalty PALA 250 Class - Let's hear it, Why 16 and NOT 38?

Not sure if you know how gravity works or not, but you can’t coast uphill. You expect him to sit there till the heat death of the universe or something?

Bullshit! When Deegan got back on the track in Moto 1 he had lost ZERO ground to Levi. Pulled right back in where he went off. No way that happens unless you’re on the gas. 😉

Either they both should have been penalized or neither. Based on the rules they both should have (per the " must deaccelerate after going off track" mentioned above). As both ot them were on the gas. 

How about this for an easy fix. You must come to a complete stop before you reenter the track. If you fail to do so it is a loss of one position (or something like that. Position? 10 seconds?)

Okay…a physics lesson for the mentally challenged.  I can get on my dirt bike and accelerate, or keep going, with no roost by applying moderate, and I would say acceptable, gas.  If you see roost it is because I am giving so much throttle that the tire can’t give enough traction to not spin/roost.  In other words I am hammering down.  Deegan WAS roosting, as was Tom.  Either both are a penalty,  or neither should be.  They are so close to identical that you are playing favorites to excuse Deegan and not Tom….as is the AMA.

Automatic 10 second penalty? 🤷🏾‍♂️

I'm not sure it would have affected the actual moto finishes , but it certainly would have affected the overall and points.  We saw Tom go off the track and gas it , got penalized. We saw Haiden do it twice....and no penalty? I haven't read everything, and maybe things have changed , but I think that's BS. 

Totally agree! 

OK, so Rules don't matter, track markers don't matter, and we're changing the rule to "as long as Jett does it, it's all good."   Got it.

Thats excessive imo, that would destroy a ton of good races we have. When these guys are charging as hard as they do something is eventually going to give.

Reading the rule again that was posted im starting to side with Mxaddict now. I think its mostly just poor enforcement if you're being honest to the "spirit of the rule". Maybe they just need to box in the rule a little bit more and define some specifics on "gaining an advantage". Like people have mentioned many times before, not losing time on a mistake can easily be argued as gaining an advantage

I haven't heard the AMA comment on anything yet have you? What makes your interpretation of the rules greater than anyone else's? As I have said previously they should have penalized both or neither...it is what it is and it's time to move on.

I don't know what to think of it all. I think in retrospect Vialle probably shouldn't have been penalized when you look at how common it was for guys to go off track. 

I kind of agree with the complete stop thing no matter what the circumstances. It would be a healthy incentive not to leave the racing surface.

It's the AMA.  They are consistently inconsistent with their rules enforcement.  Nothing has changed since they were penalizing the Indian Wrecking Crew before WWII.  They have always played favorites and they always will.  

Reading this thread is like trying to watch “the view.” 🤯

I just watched them back to back and either both of them should have got one or neither of them should.  Looked pretty much the same except Tom sure made an effort to get back on the track quicker.  At least Tom got out of shape with a rut and got thrown off the track Deegs could have just rolled the throttle off and not gone off the track altogether.  

And here I thought the AMA started taking our sport seriously by docking Vialle. Only to outdo themselves yet again and screw up with Hayden. This ain’t supercross, both riders could have re entered the track at a slower speed right after the issue but they chose to go down the side of the track. That in itself is the advantage on top of being on the throttle. 
 

Never change AMA never change. You had a great opportunity to start the series off well and show the sport we are serious. Bahaha never mind we are talking about the AMA 

I concur.

The only thing consistent with the AMA is their inconsistency.

I like how James mentioned "setting the standard" when talking to the AMA official when Tom got penalized. Like he was hinting at something to the AMA.. Guess they missed that hint.. 

One is French, one is American...

The AMA has been this way for as long as I can remember and believe it or not they have gotten better but they are still very unprofessional and it depends who you are when it comes to getting penalized. The AMA as a overall organization is not any better  with the bad press from the embezzlement from within the organization and other unpleasant events that happened at the AMA headquarters.  Not all AMA personal are bad and some have been absolutely outstanding in their job but we need way more of them and way less of the bad AMA. 

Why move on when “both or neither” didn’t happened? Why 24 hours later is there no official PR from AMA Pro? They really are going to wait until the go into the office on Tuesday to release a PR? I’m assuming they have off for Memorial Day…

Quick AMA flat track story. Denver landed a half mile race back in the 1990s at Rocky Mountain speedway and the track was terrible with big holes everywhere and some of the riders said they wont race. Now I was standing right there when the AMA race official told them they would be fined if they didn't race. 5 mins later multi time champ Jay Springsteen was leaving the track after he loaded up and told the AMA official he was not riding because of the dangerous track and drove out the gate, THe AMA official then said to several of us that "we cant fine him, he's Jay Springsteen" 

I don’t how anyone can honestly watch video of Tom, and both Deegan moto 1 and moto 2 incidents and not think the same needs to be applied to both. Since the AMA already handed a penalty to Tom it needs to be a 2nd for Deegan in both motos. 

It will be in their report like it is on every Tuesday after a race…

Don't let your favoritism blind you…

In moto gp if you go off/cut the track you must loose one second in that sector, or else you get a long lap penalty where you have to take a penalty lane that adds a couple of seconds on your laptime.

IMO if you make a misstake and go off track you should loose time, not get back on the track again break even.

Chase did it the right way, he went off track and gave up time. He did a misstake and a misstake should cost you time.

Where Chase went off the track he had no choice but to do what he did because it was off the side of a hill...comparing MotoGP to MX ridiculous as there aren't any obstacles in MX every instance is different its not as black and white as you want it to be. 

Did'nt an AMA referee say, during the SX season, something in the like of "roost is a clear indicator" (that penalty must be applied) ? If that was indeed said, both Vialle (and Deegan - twice- + probably others) needed to be penalised. Bummer that the referee came on TV to explain Vialle's penalty and was able to leave un-challenged about Deegan by the announcers. 

I would say that it was safer to accelerate enough to make the jump as usual, instead of potentially being landed on. So for me that is a pass. It was a bit severe on Vialle though, but apparently he made time so it is quite fair, and anyway, back not so long ago it was "enter where you left" so nowadays they are already lucky.

Then that could also mean it wasn’t the safest place to re renter, thus losing more time by having to go around the jump. Either way the only reason I’m arguing any points over it was because TV getting docked. If he didn’t get docked then I would see it as a no issue and just racing. The ama just needs to be more consistent and not cater to certain riders, even if I like them.