AMA Penalty PALA 250 Class - Let's hear it, Why 16 and NOT 38?

Pretty simple. Don’t accelerate while off the track and get back on the track as quickly as possible.  Tom straight up hammered down beside the rollers. 

Double standards in favor for the winner.

Deegan went off the track 4 times, not one. There was no reason to give Vialle a penalty but since they did it’s terrible optics that they didn’t penalize Deegs. Heck it would’ve taken the overall away but it would’ve been after the podium interviews celebrations and the points would’ve been tied so no harm no foul. If I was in his position I would’ve asked them to do it to take away the look of bias. Now there will be talk all week of it. Smells just like the LL decision with Brian in the AMAs ear so they back down.

should’ve also given Chase a penalty since he did similar on camera. Either change the rule or going to have to have spotters all over the track watching for this going forward.

Chase lost 5 seconds with his off track venture, I wouldn't call that gaining an advantage. Unless there was another one I missed

These actions are why I have never supported the ama. This is just another long list of incidents of why I don't. 

Maybe if we all hit thier accounts with this as another reason why. You're not an ama member they might get the message. 

Vialle accelerated, Deegan didn’t. 

Deegan went off track, grabbed a hand full of WFO in the first moto (off track) and then was like: ”whoops” and let off before entering the track. Well, the accelerating off track has all ready been done by that point.

If you mean Deegan’s first off track excursion, then correct, but for the others I’d like to see some supporting evidence for your claim, because I certainly saw roost on both of the other excursions. The second moto incident being the worse of the two I’m recalling.

You know, they could make this crap a whole lot simpler by just saying if you leave the track boundary you nust reenter exactly where you left or your race is over. Now it is too much like instant replay, etc.

Did you not hear the AMA official during the race explain that they look at timestamps to see if anybody got an advantage when they’re off the track? Tom clearly gained an advantage by going off the track and gassing it. I’m going to trust at the AMA assessed Deegans infractions in the same manner.

So if you lose some time somewhere else on the track it’s ok? Or if you gain on another section of the track then you are penalized? Shouldn’t you lose time if you make a mistake? What is the minimum amount of time you have to lose so you don’t get a penalty? Don’t you see how if you make the rule subjective it makes it too arbitrary?

Did he? On the replays I’ve seen he came back on closer to Deegan behind him than to Kitchen in front even though he gassed it pretty hard. The Deegan one in race 2 was pretty similar (on first view at least), so it’d be useful to see the data the AMA have just to clear things up and stop us all guessing. 

The way to clear this up is to say that a rider who goes off track must come to a complete stop before rejoining. Hard to see how that can be questioned as much as it is now. 

Your pets? What’s their names?

The question isn't whether you accelerated. To make a motorcycle go forward you have to accelerate. The question is did your acceleration gain you an advantage?  This picture doesn't prove anything.  Deegan had to accelerate to climb back up on to the track. You would have to show the whole video to see if he coasted before he entered the track and did or did not gain an advantage when he accelerated.

Not to mention deegan wouldn’t have been able to clear that jump while re entering the track without accelerating, which would have lost him time 

The rule needs to be rewritten because now its hazy enough that a lizard face lawyer could successfully argue both sides.

How the Hell could you get back on the track there without giving it some gas? I don’t think either one of them should have been penalized. 

He literally grabbed a handful of throttle to clear the jump while getting back on the track? 

Two of the worst calls since they black flagged Reedy, back to back, in a single day. Bravo guys. 

Same crime give them the same time..

Is there video of Vialle going off?

Didn't answer the question - in doing so did he gain an advantage?

Um he didn’t lose the same amount of time as he would have not jumping that jump. Would kitchen have passed him? Who knows. I imagine you carry quite a bit of momentum hitting that jump with speed and clearing it compared to having to roll it, right? 

Vialle did a mistake, he should be docked. But that time you're speaking of, Haiden should have been penalized too. Wasn't it the moment he raised his hand to say " I know, my bad!". Maybe that move did count in the decision.

During the races, I thought both should have been penalized.  But I think the rule is about not gaining an advantage while off the track and like what was stated during the race by MP, as long as they have video of the incident, they can timestamp to see if an advantage was gained or not.  There is a very legit argument though that if a rider goes off track and doesn't lose time, that is an advantage.

I know everyone loves to bitch about the AMA and rules, but look at baseball home plate umpires calling balls and strikes - they miss several calls every single game.  Look at rules if the NFL - one could call holding on every single snap.  NBA - damn near could call traveling or carrying the basketball every possession.  It's not just MX/SX that struggles with enforcing the rules of sport consistently.

It doesn’t have to be re-written it’s has been crystal clear for the last several years. It you accelerate off track you get your nuts chopped. This year if you are the Hunter Bros or Deegan not so much…

The fact they clipped Tom in the first Moto without reserve is epic and brings to question the validity of the entire series. Deegan has been doing this his entire career.  The intent of the rule is for the rider to re-enter the track before attempting to regain race speed.

So, I guess we're just ignoring the 20 or so times He took this cheater line at the top of the hill and went totally outside the yellow marker?   Go ahead and tell me it did not gain any advantage.

This is the rule from the 2024 AMA rulebook:

1.6.20 TRACK CUTS/UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
a. Riders must remain on the marked course. The course will be marked by track markers, boundary markers,
hay bales, tuff blocks, dirt mounds, etc. If the marking devices are knocked down, the rider must stay on the
original marked course.
b. A Rider leaving the course may only continue by properly re-entering the course, without gaining a time or
position advantage, from the closest possible point to where that Rider left the course. While off course, the
Rider must immediately slow down to a safe speed so as not to endanger life or limb of other riders, crew
members, officials or the public and must not accelerate in an unsafe manner at any time.
c. The Race Director will make the determination as to whether a Rider gained any advantage by leaving the
racecourse and re-entering. The Rider may be determined to have gained an advantage without gaining a
position, failed to slow down after leaving the course or accelerated in an unsafe manner.

Based on this, it sure sounds like race direction only considered ONE aspect (gaining an advantage), but it clearly stats in 1.6.20b and c that you must "immediately slow down", "must not accelerate in an unsafe manner" and that "failing to slow down" is an infraction. Deegan should've been docked twice.

Jett was doing it too...some of you are trying too hard....