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I think it was last week Brayton said on race day live he feels like it takes 8-10 months to get used to a new bike. ...

I think it was last week Brayton said on race day live he feels like it takes 8-10 months to get used to a new bike. 

Last year with 3 races left sexton was 21 points behind tomac. This year with 3 races left he's 7 points behind him coming off a DNF. And this is evidence of chase having issues, or something?

Unless you're arguing that chase will never get comfortable on the KTM and all hope is already lost, I'm still not really bothered by any of this.

Jett is going to have same impact on other riders and teams that Nick Saban had on SEC football. Everyone self sabotaging trying to be like the once in a lifetime talent instead of just being best version of themselves. 

Spoonguy wrote:

Pretty sure Webb is on a new bike. So is AP, I believe.

truck wrote:
When did webb start riding that bike? July? SMX and 5 months in at Paris he looked like garbage on it. 7-8 months in he looked...

When did webb start riding that bike? July? SMX and 5 months in at Paris he looked like garbage on it. 7-8 months in he looked like a different guy on it. Almost seems to support Brayton's theory.

Do people realize that Paris is just a big money grab for these guys? No chance in risking anything and pushing the limits. Hope to learn some things on setup and grab a boat load of cash for a weekend worth of work in the offseason 

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Spoonguy wrote:

Pretty sure Webb is on a new bike. So is AP, I believe.

truck wrote:
When did webb start riding that bike? July? SMX and 5 months in at Paris he looked like garbage on it. 7-8 months in he looked...

When did webb start riding that bike? July? SMX and 5 months in at Paris he looked like garbage on it. 7-8 months in he looked like a different guy on it. Almost seems to support Brayton's theory.

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Do people realize that Paris is just a big money grab for these guys? No chance in risking anything and pushing the limits. Hope to learn...

Do people realize that Paris is just a big money grab for these guys? No chance in risking anything and pushing the limits. Hope to learn some things on setup and grab a boat load of cash for a weekend worth of work in the offseason 

I'm aware. Now do SMX. 

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Just last week 

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Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

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4/21/2024 9:29pm

Anybody thought with a tiny bit more juice he could have turned that into a double? Originally that's what I thought he was doing ha.

That's what I thought, he mistimed the jump and was trying to land front wheel high to lessen the impact.

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4/21/2024 9:34pm

Anybody thought with a tiny bit more juice he could have turned that into a double? Originally that's what I thought he was doing ha.

That's what I thought, he mistimed the jump and was trying to land front wheel high to lessen the impact.

My fist thought was similar, that he tried to double it and spun up on the lip and pulled front up. But DV knows a bit more about this crap than me. Just a bit!

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4/21/2024 9:34pm

I don’t know how this throttle stick and crash thread has migrated to Chase hates his bike and should’ve done better with it. His mechanic was just the first crew member he could vent to. The situation sucks, he is in pain and no good things were going to be said immediately after. Cue press release. 

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4/21/2024 11:56pm
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Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

This. Sometimes when we talk about rider skills, the ability to adjust for the bike often being looked over.

Some riders need everything to be 110% right to perform where others can work with 85% and adjust around the problem.

We all remember RJ’s problem with the Husky 250 a couple of seasons back, and Barcia and Sexton now.

Every Factory bike is capable of winning races, then it’s a matter of the rider to deliver.

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4/22/2024 11:26pm

There's a video on Instagram of Chase's crash, with sound. The only time you hear his bike panic rev, is when he cases the landing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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There's a video on Instagram of Chase's crash, with sound. The only time you hear his bike panic rev, is when he cases the landing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

There's a video on Instagram of Chase's crash, with sound. The only time you hear his bike panic rev, is when he cases the landing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Link?

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Meh, I dunno.... video starts as he's coming off the jump.... throttle still could have been stuck leading up to it and up the face.... the angle he's coming off is not natural at all so doesn't seem like this was an attempt at double that went wrong... not sure you can take anything away from this video really. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6EEiAZAhNo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Rider error. The throttle body/housing story is total BS. Where’s the pic of the destroyed body/housing? Surely they would rush to show this and absolve the rider and brand of blame. Their reputation is generally defended very, uh, enthusiastically by themselves 

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4/23/2024 2:38am

After watching the video I agree it does seem like rider error to me. Sure sounded like the bike didn’t hit the rev limiter until he was airborne. 

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After watching the video I agree it does seem like rider error to me. Sure sounded like the bike didn’t hit the rev limiter until he...

After watching the video I agree it does seem like rider error to me. Sure sounded like the bike didn’t hit the rev limiter until he was airborne. 

This

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4/23/2024 4:44am

Per his Instragram, no injuries for Chase. Let's go baby!

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Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

What class do you race 😏

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4/23/2024 9:29am
Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

ILoveMoto wrote:

What class do you race 😏

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4/23/2024 9:45am
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After watching the video I agree it does seem like rider error to me. Sure sounded like the bike didn’t hit the rev limiter until he...

After watching the video I agree it does seem like rider error to me. Sure sounded like the bike didn’t hit the rev limiter until he was airborne. 

So riddle me this: if you're riding along in 3rd gear and twist the throttle to the stop while you're on the ground, does it automatically go straight to the limiter?

Obviously it does not, so him not being on the limiter while he takes off proves/disproves nothing. 

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4/23/2024 9:53am

That was a brutal hit, how the hell he is not injured is unreal to me….I hope he wins the next round and comes up to podium with a broken throttle housing👍

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4/23/2024 2:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 3:42pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

ILoveMoto wrote:

What class do you race 😏

cbarber wrote:

Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up to where he was on the Honda there’s a problem - either with him or KTM.

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He was riding today according to his Instagram 

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ILoveMoto wrote:

What class do you race 😏

cbarber wrote:

ando wrote:
Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up...

Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up to where he was on the Honda there’s a problem - either with him or KTM.

There is one common factor between Chase on a Honda and Chase on a KTM!

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ILoveMoto wrote:

What class do you race 😏

cbarber wrote:

ando wrote:
Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up...

Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up to where he was on the Honda there’s a problem - either with him or KTM.

Stew loved his JGR Yamaha so much they tore up his contract 🤭

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ILoveMoto wrote:

What class do you race 😏

cbarber wrote:

ando wrote:
Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up...

Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up to where he was on the Honda there’s a problem - either with him or KTM.

Look at the list of guys you just came up with as examples.

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Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

Clown #1 Sexton eff'd up

Clown #2 He sure did!

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4/23/2024 7:13pm

Chase was only 15pts down before whatever happened Saturday.  Bike problem, rider error, whatever. I choose to stay optimistic and I'm pumped he's not injured. We need him out there for outdoors

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truck wrote:
Meh, I dunno.... video starts as he's coming off the jump.... throttle still could have been stuck leading up to it and up the face.... the...

Meh, I dunno.... video starts as he's coming off the jump.... throttle still could have been stuck leading up to it and up the face.... the angle he's coming off is not natural at all so doesn't seem like this was an attempt at double that went wrong... not sure you can take anything away from this video really. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6EEiAZAhNo/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Is it possible this audio is off by a second?

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cbarber wrote:

ando wrote:
Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up...

Plenty of top riders have switched brands and been successful immediately.  McGrath, Carmichael, Reed, Stewart, Dungey, Tomac to name a few.  If he isn’t back up to where he was on the Honda there’s a problem - either with him or KTM.

truck wrote:

Look at the list of guys you just came up with as examples.

Well Chase is a multi-time champion, reigning 450SX champion and probably sees himself with more titles in the future.  He should be able to assess if the bike is what he wants, and get it right before the season.

Webb has done the same this year - sitting second in points, with daylight back to third at the moment.  RC said something about it in one of his podcasts a little while ago - if you won a title (and nearly won a second) on a bike then decide to switch brands, you'd better be damn sure of what you are getting into (I'm paraphrasing, can't recall exactly what he said).  He seemed to be insinuating that Chase took too much of a punt on the KTM, hoping it would work out.

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4/23/2024 9:02pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right...

Good grief, Sexton has been on the Austrian scooter half a year at least. All day, every day, it is his job to ride it right and assist in setting it up. All his coherent life he has been racing at the upper levels. Austria has millions of dollars of support staff to make the bike EXACTLY as he wants it. If at this point it is still "new" to him, that is his fault. He is a pro, he chose this bike to race, knew the time line, has the resources available. If the bike is still not right to him, he fucked up, either by bad choice or lack of preparedness.

You are making this too simplistic. History is replete with examples where riders could not get the bike to a place where they felt comfortable on it, despite the resources and willingness of the  manufacturer. 

Jeremy McGrath in 97 on the Suzuki is an example. Jeremy had only 2 wins, and it's clear that it was issues with the bike that were the problem.  Not to mention when Jeremy went to KTM, and later said that it scared him to ride that bike in sx. 

The idea that a rider can make a few clicks, do a few things here and there, and change a few things to make just any bike exactly what they want it to be is a myth.   

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