AMA Starting Procedure and Wheel Swaps: Cutting it Close

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Magoofan wrote:

A huge danger to the mechanic is a legit point....

This , all day long. 

I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on his his out lap , and nearly pulled my arm in , and then he crashed on the first lap and broke the tip off the gear lever, he expected to get back on it, and i put the second stint rider on it ... riders are fuckwits, and there is no way to know if Jett would have dropped the clutch or not when the gate dropped, if the mechanic was still tugging at the tyre cover. 

Rule is there for a reason.  You can bet your life Nascar would have pinged him there and then.  In Speedway they use to have a 10M penalty line for not being ready when the lights went on. 

 

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Benhameen wrote:

They changed max’s rear then rolled it through the mud…. 

Yeah rolled it through the mud with a tire cover on….

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3/3/2024 12:47pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2024 12:48pm

This thread is the result of supermarket shelves being stripped bare of Jett hater copium.

Bottom of the barrel is literally being scraped with a spatula.

 

oMg A MEChaNic Could Haave LOOST HIS ARM !!@!!

 

Please!!!

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gerg wrote:
This thread is the result of supermarket shelves being stripped bare of Jett hater copium. Bottom of the barrel is literally being scraped with a spatula...

This thread is the result of supermarket shelves being stripped bare of Jett hater copium.

Bottom of the barrel is literally being scraped with a spatula.

 

oMg A MEChaNic Could Haave LOOST HIS ARM !!@!!

 

Please!!!

Next time you see a dude with one arm, ask him how he lost it. 

9/10 its always something dumb , that escalated quickly.  

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lumpy790 wrote:
It was extremely close being 2-3 seconds before the gate drop but even with the chaos he did nail a good start. Will they fine Jett...

It was extremely close being 2-3 seconds before the gate drop but even with the chaos he did nail a good start.

Will they fine Jett for still having 2 mechanics on the start line?

Jett only had one crew member touching the bike, the other crew member was hanging back, unlike other teams...

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Magoofan wrote:

A huge danger to the mechanic is a legit point....

philG wrote:
This , all day long.  I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on...

This , all day long. 

I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on his his out lap , and nearly pulled my arm in , and then he crashed on the first lap and broke the tip off the gear lever, he expected to get back on it, and i put the second stint rider on it ... riders are fuckwits, and there is no way to know if Jett would have dropped the clutch or not when the gate dropped, if the mechanic was still tugging at the tyre cover. 

Rule is there for a reason.  You can bet your life Nascar would have pinged him there and then.  In Speedway they use to have a 10M penalty line for not being ready when the lights went on. 

 

I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you.

I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest anyway....I try to keep my jabs in good spirits when possible.

Pls don't check my post history Wink

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BB366 wrote:
It was a huge risk and didn’t look like it added much value for both classes.  Better off spending the time cleaning the tyre on the...

It was a huge risk and didn’t look like it added much value for both classes.  Better off spending the time cleaning the tyre on the line.  
 

Can’t see them doing that again anytime soon

How do you know it didn't add value?  Jett had a good start and won the race. 

Jett's starts weren't very good in the earlier mud races this year.  Maybe the fresh tire was the difference for him this week.

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As I posted in the race day thread, I think the rule needs an update to add:

All non race accessories must be removed before the bike is placed on the starting grate or positioned at the starting gate.

Jett was going to drop the clutch whether that cover was removed or not...  That mechanic had some risk there.  The rule should be addressed.

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Magoofan wrote:

A huge danger to the mechanic is a legit point....

philG wrote:
This , all day long.  I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on...

This , all day long. 

I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on his his out lap , and nearly pulled my arm in , and then he crashed on the first lap and broke the tip off the gear lever, he expected to get back on it, and i put the second stint rider on it ... riders are fuckwits, and there is no way to know if Jett would have dropped the clutch or not when the gate dropped, if the mechanic was still tugging at the tyre cover. 

Rule is there for a reason.  You can bet your life Nascar would have pinged him there and then.  In Speedway they use to have a 10M penalty line for not being ready when the lights went on. 

 

gerg wrote:
I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you. I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest...

I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you.

I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest anyway....I try to keep my jabs in good spirits when possible.

Pls don't check my post history Wink

No worries dude. 

But just like in real life, everything is always OK , right up to the point it isnt. 

And the problem is, as a mechanic, you are always going to stick your hand in, and as a rider, you are always going to drop the clutch when the gate goes. 

Apply the rules, apply the penalty. 

The smart guy sits out the sight lap. 

And why is nobody asking why factory mechanics take so long to change a wheel ? 

I swear my wife can fit a rear wheel with a 170 tyre on it faster than they did. And she can deffo get a tyre cover off faster LOL. 

 

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philG wrote:
This , all day long.  I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on...

This , all day long. 

I had a rider bang a bike in gear before the tyre warmer was off at an endurance race , on his his out lap , and nearly pulled my arm in , and then he crashed on the first lap and broke the tip off the gear lever, he expected to get back on it, and i put the second stint rider on it ... riders are fuckwits, and there is no way to know if Jett would have dropped the clutch or not when the gate dropped, if the mechanic was still tugging at the tyre cover. 

Rule is there for a reason.  You can bet your life Nascar would have pinged him there and then.  In Speedway they use to have a 10M penalty line for not being ready when the lights went on. 

 

gerg wrote:
I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you. I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest...

I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you.

I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest anyway....I try to keep my jabs in good spirits when possible.

Pls don't check my post history Wink

philG wrote:
No worries dude.  But just like in real life, everything is always OK , right up to the point it isnt.  And the problem is, as...

No worries dude. 

But just like in real life, everything is always OK , right up to the point it isnt. 

And the problem is, as a mechanic, you are always going to stick your hand in, and as a rider, you are always going to drop the clutch when the gate goes. 

Apply the rules, apply the penalty. 

The smart guy sits out the sight lap. 

And why is nobody asking why factory mechanics take so long to change a wheel ? 

I swear my wife can fit a rear wheel with a 170 tyre on it faster than they did. And she can deffo get a tyre cover off faster LOL. 

 

Didn't Jett say in the post race interview, he was already planning on catching up if the bike wasn't ready in time. Like he seemed as though he thought he was going to miss the start....

Doesn't sound like someone that was gonna drop the clutch no matter what.

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Honda should at the least get a warning if not a fine. I don’t think Jett should be docked points or positions but a warning should be implemented. I just wish they would get rid of these grates and get rid of starting devices.

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Honda should at the least get a warning if not a fine. I don’t think Jett should be docked points or positions but a warning should...

Honda should at the least get a warning if not a fine. I don’t think Jett should be docked points or positions but a warning should be implemented. I just wish they would get rid of these grates and get rid of starting devices.

A warning and a clarification or modification of the rules, so it doesn't happen in the future with any rider.

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gerg wrote:
I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you. I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest...

I didn't read this properly...sorry didn't realize it nearly happened  to you.

I feel like a douche bag for my post...it was really all in jest anyway....I try to keep my jabs in good spirits when possible.

Pls don't check my post history Wink

philG wrote:
No worries dude.  But just like in real life, everything is always OK , right up to the point it isnt.  And the problem is, as...

No worries dude. 

But just like in real life, everything is always OK , right up to the point it isnt. 

And the problem is, as a mechanic, you are always going to stick your hand in, and as a rider, you are always going to drop the clutch when the gate goes. 

Apply the rules, apply the penalty. 

The smart guy sits out the sight lap. 

And why is nobody asking why factory mechanics take so long to change a wheel ? 

I swear my wife can fit a rear wheel with a 170 tyre on it faster than they did. And she can deffo get a tyre cover off faster LOL. 

 

kxking wrote:
Didn't Jett say in the post race interview, he was already planning on catching up if the bike wasn't ready in time. Like he seemed as...

Didn't Jett say in the post race interview, he was already planning on catching up if the bike wasn't ready in time. Like he seemed as though he thought he was going to miss the start....

Doesn't sound like someone that was gonna drop the clutch no matter what.

If he was that aware, then fair play to him, but he should never have been in that situation. 

The smart move would be to have the sight lap sooner, but that leaves less time to prep the track. 

Wonder if they will look at better wheel changing , sort out a QD brake carrier set up, and rails in the swingarm for the spacers to run on, assuming they dont do that already. 

I guess the AMA will decide that, by letting them off or not. 

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You cannot remove or add anything to the bike or work on it when it’s loaded in the gate. 
plain and simple a rule was broken. 
 

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Seems like they coulda avoided the whole thing by just carrying the bike to the line like the MXGP guys do.

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All these pre-race antics are stupid. 

 

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LungButter wrote:

Seems like they coulda avoided the whole thing by just carrying the bike to the line like the MXGP guys do.

I don't know how or where you have seen that.

Coz to the best of my knowledge mxgp has a line about 3meters behind the gate that the mechanic isn't allowed past. 

They activate the start button back there. And the rider has to push there own bike to the grid and they are on the grate by them self. If someone's device unclips. The other riders have to help each other as the mechanic isn't allowed on the grate.

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3/4/2024 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2024 4:05pm

If it's in the rule book, enforce it! No matter how petty, that is the only fair call to all competitors and teams across the board. Petty...yes, but so is giving a penalty to sick guy for not talking to the media, or another for plainly defending himself off-track. Rules are rules regardless. Last year I watched my guy Sexton take a penalty hit for 7-points and the purse money after he rolled a double on a medical flag where Dean Wilson was already getting up and riding off, and then jumped the next double after "passing the incident". However, red light on the take-off was for some reason still flashing...but, Safety-First, a rule is a rule and so he was penalized. I'm just wondering if Honda gets a nastygram for Jett being in front of the camera with shirt off and pants undone. I'm sure those were compression shorts and not his skivvies, but doesnt look good for the sport. Whoever said "cash cow" is absolutely correct.

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LungButter wrote:

Seems like they coulda avoided the whole thing by just carrying the bike to the line like the MXGP guys do.

One crew and the rider carrying the bike, I'd like to see that!

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3/4/2024 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2024 5:45pm
LungButter wrote:

Seems like they coulda avoided the whole thing by just carrying the bike to the line like the MXGP guys do.

One crew and the rider carrying the bike, I'd like to see that!

usually the rider holds the bars and steers, and the mechanic lifts the rear wheel and walks it in. 

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One crew and the rider carrying the bike, I'd like to see that!

Tell me you never watched MXGP without telling me you never watched MXGP. 

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One crew and the rider carrying the bike, I'd like to see that!

philG wrote:

Tell me you never watched MXGP without telling me you never watched MXGP. 

Like most people on this website, we don't watch MXGP!

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All this does is point out a rule that needs clarification. Like most procedures, nothing changes until an incident illustrates the need for change.
It’s a learning lesson people, nothing more, nothing less.

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CPR wrote:
All this does is point out a rule that needs clarification. Like most procedures, nothing changes until an incident illustrates the need for change. It’s a...

All this does is point out a rule that needs clarification. Like most procedures, nothing changes until an incident illustrates the need for change.
It’s a learning lesson people, nothing more, nothing less.

It doesnt need clarification , it just needs enforcing. 

The 'improvement' of steel grates has brought i load of issues, even down the the colour of the paint.. i seem to recall that in MXGP they went with alternate green and black grates, and when it rained, the green ones were slippier than the black. 

When does the penalty report come out. ?

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BB366 wrote:
It was a huge risk and didn’t look like it added much value for both classes.  Better off spending the time cleaning the tyre on the...

It was a huge risk and didn’t look like it added much value for both classes.  Better off spending the time cleaning the tyre on the line.  
 

Can’t see them doing that again anytime soon

RichieW13 wrote:
How do you know it didn't add value?  Jett had a good start and won the race.  Jett's starts weren't very good in the earlier mud...

How do you know it didn't add value?  Jett had a good start and won the race. 

Jett's starts weren't very good in the earlier mud races this year.  Maybe the fresh tire was the difference for him this week.

How did Anstie go?

 

All I'm saying is that in the time they buggered around with it, they could have cleaned the tyre on the gate.

 

Risk vs Reward

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3/5/2024 2:30am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2024 2:32am
CPR wrote:
All this does is point out a rule that needs clarification. Like most procedures, nothing changes until an incident illustrates the need for change. It’s a...

All this does is point out a rule that needs clarification. Like most procedures, nothing changes until an incident illustrates the need for change.
It’s a learning lesson people, nothing more, nothing less.

philG wrote:
It doesnt need clarification , it just needs enforcing.  The 'improvement' of steel grates has brought i load of issues, even down the the colour of...

It doesnt need clarification , it just needs enforcing. 

The 'improvement' of steel grates has brought i load of issues, even down the the colour of the paint.. i seem to recall that in MXGP they went with alternate green and black grates, and when it rained, the green ones were slippier than the black. 

When does the penalty report come out. ?

There is no penalty.

Scroll down to my post and click play.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/jett-docked-or-dqd?page=1

Edit: 43:15 mark. 

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You cannot remove or add anything to the bike or work on it when it’s loaded in the gate.  plain and simple a rule was broken. ...

You cannot remove or add anything to the bike or work on it when it’s loaded in the gate. 
plain and simple a rule was broken. 
 

Then define work on it, set the HS device, clean off the rear tire, remove a rear tire cover, adjust the levers, adjust the idle? 

 

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lumpy790 wrote:

Doesn’t a rider waving on the starting line still get them 2 minutes?

Not in pro racing.  They don't have the 2 min hold.

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BB366 wrote:
How did Anstie go?   All I'm saying is that in the time they buggered around with it, they could have cleaned the tyre on the...

How did Anstie go?

 

All I'm saying is that in the time they buggered around with it, they could have cleaned the tyre on the gate.

 

Risk vs Reward

Anstie did about how he usually does.

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High revs and centrifugal force clean knobbies does it not???? Seems like a weird practice to change a tire. I would stay, simply from the initial spin once they are off the grate the tire is basically clean enough to obtain full grip. 

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