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I’m sure this was discussed somewhere already but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why the format change(450 heats first)? Makes little sense that the 250 class gets less time between LCQ and main…andis it for the rest of the season?

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2/10/2024 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/10/2024 6:14pm

Who knows whenever the AMA is involved.

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Who knows whenever the AMA is involved.

Not an AMA decision.

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Who knows whenever the AMA is involved.

ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

Do you know the reason  ?

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2/10/2024 7:10pm

Idk but if Im in the 250lcq im pissed. These guys have to go back to back and thats not right.

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Who knows whenever the AMA is involved.

ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Do you know the reason  ?

I’m sure he does but probably can’t tell you because of “sources”

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2/10/2024 7:23pm

5 starts for a 250 lcq rider who makes the main tonight from heat 2z. After this restart of the lcq he will have to loop around and line up for the main……crazy

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ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Do you know the reason  ?

dc444 wrote:

I’m sure he does but probably can’t tell you because of “sources”

I almost wonder if it is because they notice people not watching until the 450 heat races come on

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Can’t these riders speak up at a riders meeting or a representative for a rider as to why can’t they leave it with the 250 heats first… the turn around time isn’t safe for a rider to just finish an LCQ then line straight up for a main event… somethings needs to change for rider safety… it’s not all about veiw numbers 

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cbunt44 wrote:
Can’t these riders speak up at a riders meeting or a representative for a rider as to why can’t they leave it with the 250 heats...

Can’t these riders speak up at a riders meeting or a representative for a rider as to why can’t they leave it with the 250 heats first… the turn around time isn’t safe for a rider to just finish an LCQ then line straight up for a main event… somethings needs to change for rider safety… it’s not all about veiw numbers 

Yes non-factory riders definitely need representation. The only way this changes is if Deegan is forced to race the lcq and something minor happens to his bike and they can’t fix it before the main

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2/10/2024 7:42pm

Is it like this the rest of the season? I thought it was just certain races 

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Who knows whenever the AMA is involved.

ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Do you know the reason  ?

Start the show with the stars of the sport. Honestly do t know why they haven’t changed the LCQ around, though. Definitely just looks like an oversight. 

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ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Do you know the reason  ?

aeffertz wrote:
Start the show with the stars of the sport. Honestly do t know why they haven’t changed the LCQ around, though. Definitely just looks like an...

Start the show with the stars of the sport. Honestly do t know why they haven’t changed the LCQ around, though. Definitely just looks like an oversight. 

An oversight that everyone can see and no one fixes?

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ATKpilot99 wrote:

Do you know the reason  ?

aeffertz wrote:
Start the show with the stars of the sport. Honestly do t know why they haven’t changed the LCQ around, though. Definitely just looks like an...

Start the show with the stars of the sport. Honestly do t know why they haven’t changed the LCQ around, though. Definitely just looks like an oversight. 

yak651 wrote:

An oversight that everyone can see and no one fixes?

Well they said they’re sticking with the change of format because of “positive feedback”. From who, I have no idea but I can’t see any reason at all why they can’t flip the LCQs around. 

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It makes sense to do it this way around. 450 guys start the show, they are the premier guys and it works better for the show if the guys introduced in opening ceremonies are the first guys on track. 
 

As far as the LCQ’s go, the 250 LCQ being second is the best way to do it IMO. If you have a bike problem in 250 Heat 2 and the 250 LCQ runs first then you have almost no chance to get ready for the LCQ. If you have an issue in the LCQ you’re done anyway, so it makes more sense to have to more time between the heats and the LCQ rather than the LCQ and the main. The LCQ is only 5-6 minutes long and it can actually be a positive for the guys that come through it as the track at the start of the main will be exactly the same as the one they just raced in the LCQ 

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RG437 wrote:
It makes sense to do it this way around. 450 guys start the show, they are the premier guys and it works better for the show...

It makes sense to do it this way around. 450 guys start the show, they are the premier guys and it works better for the show if the guys introduced in opening ceremonies are the first guys on track. 
 

As far as the LCQ’s go, the 250 LCQ being second is the best way to do it IMO. If you have a bike problem in 250 Heat 2 and the 250 LCQ runs first then you have almost no chance to get ready for the LCQ. If you have an issue in the LCQ you’re done anyway, so it makes more sense to have to more time between the heats and the LCQ rather than the LCQ and the main. The LCQ is only 5-6 minutes long and it can actually be a positive for the guys that come through it as the track at the start of the main will be exactly the same as the one they just raced in the LCQ 

I see your logic but still disagree, now they have 250 guys doing the hot lap in opening ceremonies instead of the “premier” guys and if you are a 250 heat 2 guy you only get two LCQs and some track maintenance rest before the main. The old format was more even for everyone, heck a 450 guy could recover from an injury from heat 1 until the main now. Seems like they made a change to just make a change.
 

You want to make it more interesting for the casual fan? Bring back the semis, more holeshots equal more carnage. lol 

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2/11/2024 5:55am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2024 6:01am

You guys still think they care about privateers of a regional series?

No shortage of bodies lined up willing to (pay to) fill those gates.

The fucked up part is most of those guys train to sprint in the hopes of making a main. They don't train for 15+1. They definitely don't train for 5+1+15+1.

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Cool to see the 450’s on a fresh track. 

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Some of the review podcasts basically made it out that the reasoning is because you go through this big show of “check out these premiere 450 guys who are the main part of the show” then those guys leave and aren’t part of the racing right away. So this kinda seems like a solution to a non-existent problem. Was that really that big of a deal? I’ve never heard anyone complain about that. If you need to have 450s race right after the riders are introduced, why not keep the same race format, just have 450 opening ceremonies right between 250 heat 2 and 450 heat 1? 

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2/11/2024 6:36am

At least guys will finally have a reason to move up to 450s?

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if you have ever raced 2 or 3 classes on the same day you have probably headed right back to the start line. One good thing is you already know the tracks conditions at race speeds.

 

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2/11/2024 10:26am

Just like has been said you introduce all the stars of the sports then don’t see them for 30 minutes. Seeing the 450s on that fresh track last night was awesome especially Roczen.

The guys in the 250 LCQ are literally bottom of the totem poll no offense. I mean the guy that almost killed two people to get into the main to just get last place isn’t going to be catered to.

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RG437 wrote:
It makes sense to do it this way around. 450 guys start the show, they are the premier guys and it works better for the show...

It makes sense to do it this way around. 450 guys start the show, they are the premier guys and it works better for the show if the guys introduced in opening ceremonies are the first guys on track. 
 

As far as the LCQ’s go, the 250 LCQ being second is the best way to do it IMO. If you have a bike problem in 250 Heat 2 and the 250 LCQ runs first then you have almost no chance to get ready for the LCQ. If you have an issue in the LCQ you’re done anyway, so it makes more sense to have to more time between the heats and the LCQ rather than the LCQ and the main. The LCQ is only 5-6 minutes long and it can actually be a positive for the guys that come through it as the track at the start of the main will be exactly the same as the one they just raced in the LCQ 

There was a 20 minute break between heats and LCQ

I’m fine with 450s going first but I think it should be

450 h1

450 h2

250 h1

250 h2

Track work

ktm jr

250 lcq

450 lcq

250 main

450 main

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Call me a Karen if you want, but it doesn’t seem safe having 4 dudes who just pushed their limits to max… lining up for a main 10 minutes later. So many things messed up about that imo. It’s not safe for the rider, not safe for the other riders around them, and the mechanics literally can’t look over a bike. You can get a top 4 in the LCQ with a flat or a bike that’s running out of coolant or whatever else… but tough shit trying to fix it, better get out there and race! 

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2/11/2024 11:04am

Just seems odd. Something nobody has yet mentioned is the heat one 450 guys. The track changes from their heat to the main are crazy. 

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2/11/2024 11:07am

Still seems like we are just throwing out theories and nobody actually knows their reasoning behind it is. 

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ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

Which it means it is a feld/broadcast team decision. Not sure who over there thinks they’re going to boost ratings and watch time just because the 450 heats are first. Core fans will watch it through.

Looks like they’re trying to bring in a new audience with this tactic. Problem with it, is a new audience aren’t going to have any idea who they are regardless of if it’s 250 or 450 first.

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ML512 wrote:

Not an AMA decision.

ACBailey89 wrote:
Which it means it is a feld/broadcast team decision. Not sure who over there thinks they’re going to boost ratings and watch time just because the...

Which it means it is a feld/broadcast team decision. Not sure who over there thinks they’re going to boost ratings and watch time just because the 450 heats are first. Core fans will watch it through.

Looks like they’re trying to bring in a new audience with this tactic. Problem with it, is a new audience aren’t going to have any idea who they are regardless of if it’s 250 or 450 first.

Maybe the AMA should step in and promote rider safety 

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Polski934 wrote:
I’m sure this was discussed somewhere already but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why the format change(450 heats first)? Makes little sense...

I’m sure this was discussed somewhere already but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why the format change(450 heats first)? Makes little sense that the 250 class gets less time between LCQ and main…andis it for the rest of the season?

It was in the race links.   I assume they want to come out of the gate with the top guys running first as people turn it on.  The 250 LCQ is probably their lowest priority, and it would be the tail wagging the dog to nix a change because of that one race.  Doesn't mean that the change is good, but if they are going to make any change it will always be to chase one thing at the expense of another.

 

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