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Zycki11 wrote:

How so, can you tell me what was so bad about Trumps time with Russia? Were we at war? Did we send people to die for...

How so, can you tell me what was so bad about Trumps time with Russia? Were we at war? Did we send people to die for our country to fight Russia? Did we expand Russian territories against our allies? Did we allow them into our country like China? I can't wait to hear it

early wrote:

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face? Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia. Guys like Tate...

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face?

Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia.

Guys like Tate pushing Islam as a solution for desperate young men.

Russia is a shithole and only a damn idiot would want to emulate it.

 

Zycki11 wrote:

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10...

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10 other countries combined into it. Why are we footing most of the bill?  So if you are asking me if i think in front of my face the answer is no. I see how much the USA is spending in NATO, I see the treaty we dismantled via Russia/Ukraine.  I see us not protecting our own citizens instead of other countries.  I see billions of billions of dollars going to one of the most corrupt governments in the world. You gave me some stupid lip service without saying a damn thing to provide a single waft of thought, and yet you say "do you ever think about strategy or just whats in front of my face" 

 

early wrote:

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face? Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia. Guys like Tate...

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face?

Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia.

Guys like Tate pushing Islam as a solution for desperate young men.

Russia is a shithole and only a damn idiot would want to emulate it.

 

Zycki11 wrote:

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10...

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10 other countries combined into it. Why are we footing most of the bill?  So if you are asking me if i think in front of my face the answer is no. I see how much the USA is spending in NATO, I see the treaty we dismantled via Russia/Ukraine.  I see us not protecting our own citizens instead of other countries.  I see billions of billions of dollars going to one of the most corrupt governments in the world. You gave me some stupid lip service without saying a damn thing to provide a single waft of thought, and yet you say "do you ever think about strategy or just whats in front of my face" 

 

early wrote:

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia...

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia cannot be trusted, Russia cannot be allowed to expand as they have been for the better part of the 21st century. This is the best defense spending that I've seen in a long time. 

Good job repeating all the probrussian talking points delivered to you through tucker.

early wrote:

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face? Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia. Guys like Tate...

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face?

Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia.

Guys like Tate pushing Islam as a solution for desperate young men.

Russia is a shithole and only a damn idiot would want to emulate it.

 

Zycki11 wrote:

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10...

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10 other countries combined into it. Why are we footing most of the bill?  So if you are asking me if i think in front of my face the answer is no. I see how much the USA is spending in NATO, I see the treaty we dismantled via Russia/Ukraine.  I see us not protecting our own citizens instead of other countries.  I see billions of billions of dollars going to one of the most corrupt governments in the world. You gave me some stupid lip service without saying a damn thing to provide a single waft of thought, and yet you say "do you ever think about strategy or just whats in front of my face" 

 

early wrote:

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia...

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia cannot be trusted, Russia cannot be allowed to expand as they have been for the better part of the 21st century. This is the best defense spending that I've seen in a long time. 

Good job repeating all the probrussian talking points delivered to you through tucker.

Zycki11 wrote:

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10...

First, I didn't bad mouth Nato(yet) and if you want to know the truth. Nato is a damn joke if we are spending more than 10 other countries combined into it. Why are we footing most of the bill?  So if you are asking me if i think in front of my face the answer is no. I see how much the USA is spending in NATO, I see the treaty we dismantled via Russia/Ukraine.  I see us not protecting our own citizens instead of other countries.  I see billions of billions of dollars going to one of the most corrupt governments in the world. You gave me some stupid lip service without saying a damn thing to provide a single waft of thought, and yet you say "do you ever think about strategy or just whats in front of my face" 

 

early wrote:

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia...

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia cannot be trusted, Russia cannot be allowed to expand as they have been for the better part of the 21st century. This is the best defense spending that I've seen in a long time. 

Good job repeating all the probrussian talking points delivered to you through tucker.

Zycki11 wrote:

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the...

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the war? It isn’t our war, dumbest money ever spent when so many issues are here at home bottom line….

Zycki11 wrote:

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the...

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the war? It isn’t our war, dumbest money ever spent when so many issues are here at home bottom line….

Zycki11 wrote:

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the...

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the war? It isn’t our war, dumbest money ever spent when so many issues are here at home bottom line….

early wrote:

Because allowing Ukraine to become part of Russia strengthens Russia and weakens the west. 

Titan1 wrote:

How so?

Zycki11 wrote:

How so, can you tell me what was so bad about Trumps time with Russia? Were we at war? Did we send people to die for...

How so, can you tell me what was so bad about Trumps time with Russia? Were we at war? Did we send people to die for our country to fight Russia? Did we expand Russian territories against our allies? Did we allow them into our country like China? I can't wait to hear it

early wrote:

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face? Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia. Guys like Tate...

Do you ever think about strategy or just what's in front of your face?

Your bad mouthing NATO is victory enough for Russia.

Guys like Tate pushing Islam as a solution for desperate young men.

Russia is a shithole and only a damn idiot would want to emulate it.

 

Titan1 wrote:

Who is trying to emulate russia? Who is Tate? And what does him pushing islam have do with Russia/Ukraine? Nothing wrong with bad mouthing NATO...criticizing government...

Who is trying to emulate russia?

Who is Tate? And what does him pushing islam have do with Russia/Ukraine?

Nothing wrong with bad mouthing NATO...criticizing government is one of the main tenants of free speech...nothing at all wrong with someone disagreeing with how Nato is handling this ukraine war.

Russia was emboldened under Biden...and kept largely in check with Trump.  How did Trump handle Russia poorly?  

Why is being critical of the BILLIONS of dollars going to Ukraine somehow mean one supports Russia?

Why is a conservative American journalist interviewing Putin somehow a bad thing?  When liberal journalists have interviewed him in the past? 

I honestly don't understand the lefts position on this kind of stuff... 

early wrote:

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia...

Russia tore up the treaty when they invaded Crimea in 2014. It all should have ended right there, that's why it needs to end here. Russia cannot be trusted, Russia cannot be allowed to expand as they have been for the better part of the 21st century. This is the best defense spending that I've seen in a long time. 

Good job repeating all the probrussian talking points delivered to you through tucker.

Zycki11 wrote:

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the...

I don’t even watch Tucker, but I will for this. Why do so many people believe you have to be pro Russian to not like the war? It isn’t our war, dumbest money ever spent when so many issues are here at home bottom line….

Loam Ranger wrote:

Tucker Carlson is regularly celebrated on Russian State television for his pro-Russian opinions. He is literally used as propaganda to help justify the war to their...

Tucker Carlson is regularly celebrated on Russian State television for his pro-Russian opinions. He is literally used as propaganda to help justify the war to their own people.

Spoonguy wrote:

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world...

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world. But there are single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors in this country that are poor. Is it cool to ask that their tax dollars go to Ukraine, is it right this country's resources go to Ukraine and not our own poor. Not being a smart ass, it is an honest question. I say we take care of our own, Ukraine is not our problem. Russia governing Ukraine rather than Ukraine governing Ukraine is a lateral move. Russia as a country is unsustainable anyway.

ThatOneMXGuy wrote:

Anytime anything is attempted to help the people here it’s labeled as socialism and communism so it’s bad.

Titan1 wrote:

Well, the same people that call helping poor people here socialism and communism...are also the ones complaining about all the money going to Ukraine.  So at...

Well, the same people that call helping poor people here socialism and communism...are also the ones complaining about all the money going to Ukraine.  So at least they are consistent...but I think the rub is that if the government is going to spend the money (and it will be spent) then they'd prefer it spent here rather than there.  And its hard to disagree with that. 

Me?  I'd rather they just not spent at all...its just debt and throwing money at a problem like poverty isn't the solution to poverty.

ThatOneMXGuy wrote:

For less than 3% of our military budget, we are completely crippling our biggest enemy on the world stage and renewing all of our military equipment...

For less than 3% of our military budget, we are completely crippling our biggest enemy on the world stage and renewing all of our military equipment. This is also creating tons of high paying jobs in America and spurring the economy. And roughly half of our politicians are hell bent on no Ukraine aid because their party’s leader tells them not to. Absolutely insane. Reagan would be rolling in his grave seeing what his party has become.

Titan1 wrote:

How so?

early wrote:

If Ukraine was Russia it would expand Russian borders to include new neighbors of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and Moldova, it would increase Russias strength in...

If Ukraine was Russia it would expand Russian borders to include new neighbors of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and Moldova, it would increase Russias strength in the Black Sea, it would give Russia sole control of oil and gas pipelines that service southeastern Europe, and it would give Russia control of lots of fertile agricultural land they don't possess now. 

Aside from the obvious of imposing dictatorial rule on a large population of Europeans that don't want it.

Spoonguy wrote:

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world...

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world. But there are single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors in this country that are poor. Is it cool to ask that their tax dollars go to Ukraine, is it right this country's resources go to Ukraine and not our own poor. Not being a smart ass, it is an honest question. I say we take care of our own, Ukraine is not our problem. Russia governing Ukraine rather than Ukraine governing Ukraine is a lateral move. Russia as a country is unsustainable anyway.

zookrider62! wrote:

when has the country ever done anything to help the "single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors" from being poor?

Titan1 wrote:

How so?

early wrote:

If Ukraine was Russia it would expand Russian borders to include new neighbors of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and Moldova, it would increase Russias strength in...

If Ukraine was Russia it would expand Russian borders to include new neighbors of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, and Moldova, it would increase Russias strength in the Black Sea, it would give Russia sole control of oil and gas pipelines that service southeastern Europe, and it would give Russia control of lots of fertile agricultural land they don't possess now. 

Aside from the obvious of imposing dictatorial rule on a large population of Europeans that don't want it.

TheGetFresh wrote:

Soon they’ll be installing giant laser beams on the moon and making deals with Joe Rogan and the aliens. We must stop the falling dominoes. 

Spoonguy wrote:

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world...

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world. But there are single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors in this country that are poor. Is it cool to ask that their tax dollars go to Ukraine, is it right this country's resources go to Ukraine and not our own poor. Not being a smart ass, it is an honest question. I say we take care of our own, Ukraine is not our problem. Russia governing Ukraine rather than Ukraine governing Ukraine is a lateral move. Russia as a country is unsustainable anyway.

zookrider62! wrote:

when has the country ever done anything to help the "single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors" from being poor?

ARM670 wrote:

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or...

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or reduced meals at school, no school fees. Disabled vets receive a monthly income. (I personally know a few who fake it to get large checks a month). I'm not saying I don't think people need help but a lot of people purposely stay on "the system". So to answer your question. This country does a lot to help those groups and more.

zookrider62! wrote:

when has the country ever done anything to help the "single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors" from being poor?

ARM670 wrote:

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or...

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or reduced meals at school, no school fees. Disabled vets receive a monthly income. (I personally know a few who fake it to get large checks a month). I'm not saying I don't think people need help but a lot of people purposely stay on "the system". So to answer your question. This country does a lot to help those groups and more.

Spoonguy wrote:

Nobody implied we don't already have programs for people with needs. Nobody ever stated there is not people who abuse welfare systems. The point is why...

Nobody implied we don't already have programs for people with needs. Nobody ever stated there is not people who abuse welfare systems. The point is why there is currently needs in this country why piss resources away in another country.

Zycki11 wrote:

Let me get this straight... people are upset a journalist decided to travel to Russia and interview Putin after this BS money laundering war we are...

Let me get this straight... people are upset a journalist decided to travel to Russia and interview Putin after this BS money laundering war we are in? We have spent more on the Ukraine war in 1 year than Russia has in their entire military budget. Must be a communist because CNN and mainstream media are freaking out for an unedited interview.  Perhaps we should listen and get his view point.  Good ole Zelensky refused.... so now we have Americans giving bookoo bucks over to Ukraine. The president of Ukraine refuses an interview with a US journalist, has a new mansion while at war and this doesn't smell funny to anyone?

 

Spoonguy wrote:

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world...

Anyone who posts here presumably has shit tons of disposable income, enough to buy dirt bikes anyway. Which is more than most people in the world. But there are single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors in this country that are poor. Is it cool to ask that their tax dollars go to Ukraine, is it right this country's resources go to Ukraine and not our own poor. Not being a smart ass, it is an honest question. I say we take care of our own, Ukraine is not our problem. Russia governing Ukraine rather than Ukraine governing Ukraine is a lateral move. Russia as a country is unsustainable anyway.

zookrider62! wrote:

when has the country ever done anything to help the "single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors" from being poor?

ARM670 wrote:

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or...

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or reduced meals at school, no school fees. Disabled vets receive a monthly income. (I personally know a few who fake it to get large checks a month). I'm not saying I don't think people need help but a lot of people purposely stay on "the system". So to answer your question. This country does a lot to help those groups and more.

zookrider62! wrote:

when has the country ever done anything to help the "single moms, war veterans, disabled people, and seniors" from being poor?

ARM670 wrote:

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or...

All kinds of programs out there to help all groups that you mentioned. Food stamps, Medicare, Help with rent, more money towards college tuitions, free or reduced meals at school, no school fees. Disabled vets receive a monthly income. (I personally know a few who fake it to get large checks a month). I'm not saying I don't think people need help but a lot of people purposely stay on "the system". So to answer your question. This country does a lot to help those groups and more.

zookrider62! wrote:

and have these been reduced because of Ukraine, or is it exactly the same

ARM670 wrote:

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the...

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the Pro- Russia government, then Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea Peninsula leading to the mess Ukraine is in now. Don't forget ol' Joe promising them a path to NATO which violated a treaty between the USA and Russia. I feel bad for the people of Ukraine but why are we defending their border while we leave ours open?

ARM670 wrote:

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the...

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the Pro- Russia government, then Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea Peninsula leading to the mess Ukraine is in now. Don't forget ol' Joe promising them a path to NATO which violated a treaty between the USA and Russia. I feel bad for the people of Ukraine but why are we defending their border while we leave ours open?

early wrote:

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia.  Don't think about it just keep spouting...

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia. 

Don't think about it just keep spouting the Russian talking points.

ARM670 wrote:

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the...

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the Pro- Russia government, then Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea Peninsula leading to the mess Ukraine is in now. Don't forget ol' Joe promising them a path to NATO which violated a treaty between the USA and Russia. I feel bad for the people of Ukraine but why are we defending their border while we leave ours open?

early wrote:

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia.  Don't think about it just keep spouting...

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia. 

Don't think about it just keep spouting the Russian talking points.

ARM670 wrote:

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the...

I have never heard of them being reduced. Ukraine just keeps adding to our debt. Maybe if Obama and the CIA had not over thrown the Pro- Russia government, then Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimea Peninsula leading to the mess Ukraine is in now. Don't forget ol' Joe promising them a path to NATO which violated a treaty between the USA and Russia. I feel bad for the people of Ukraine but why are we defending their border while we leave ours open?

early wrote:

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia.  Don't think about it just keep spouting...

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia. 

Don't think about it just keep spouting the Russian talking points.

ARM670 wrote:

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point...

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point is we should not be sending blank checks to Ukraine or any country with out seeing where every penny goes. Ukraine is known as the most corrupt country in the world. That is why politician from many countries play there. And at what point was it the USA's responsibility to over throw their government? The CIA has a long history of doing these kind of things and they are usually not for the good of that country.

ARM670 wrote:

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point...

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point is we should not be sending blank checks to Ukraine or any country with out seeing where every penny goes. Ukraine is known as the most corrupt country in the world. That is why politician from many countries play there. And at what point was it the USA's responsibility to over throw their government? The CIA has a long history of doing these kind of things and they are usually not for the good of that country.

early wrote:

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia.  Don't think about it just keep spouting...

After 2 years of war its obvious Ukrainians don't want a pro-Russian government or to be part of Russia. 

Don't think about it just keep spouting the Russian talking points.

ARM670 wrote:

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point...

Truths of what caused the war in Ukraine are not Russian talking points. Obviously a lot of Ukrainians don't want a Pro-Russian Government. However my point is we should not be sending blank checks to Ukraine or any country with out seeing where every penny goes. Ukraine is known as the most corrupt country in the world. That is why politician from many countries play there. And at what point was it the USA's responsibility to over throw their government? The CIA has a long history of doing these kind of things and they are usually not for the good of that country.

M8 wrote:

But this isn’t the truth. They are not sending blank checks to Ukraine. The way you’re wording that is exactly the way Russia wants it to...

But this isn’t the truth.

They are not sending blank checks to Ukraine. The way you’re wording that is exactly the way Russia wants it to be stated.

Most of the “aid” is going back into the American economy. Replacement of old equipment. Retooling of new equipment. 
America is literally testing 90’s tech against its biggest rival for the past 80 years. Improving and advancing, while not losing a single soldier.
If Ukraine drives Russia back to its cave, then it’s one less thing for the military to worry about for the next 20 years. How much $$ will the American military save then?

Is Ukraine corrupt? Yes. Are they working to improve on their Soviet ways? Yes. Does this mean that all future generations should have all of their freedoms taken away by an aggressive neighbour? No.

The sooner America comes together to be the great country it once was and fight for what is right, no matter where in the world it is, the better this world will be.