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RV said the same, even JT agrees the holeshot incident was not Vince's fault. Adding in the Deano incident is different and that was an ass move to the point Honda talked to MCR after the event according to ML.
Yup all retired pro racers know the truth. ...and yeah, the Deano move was aggressive. ...but it's racing, not High Tea at the Duke of Sussex hour. How many times is Dean gonna let Friese eat his lunch and then whinge about it.
Big sigh. That's half my point. This wasn't anything. He didn't "pull shit" at all. It was racing for the first corner.
What did I say that isn't true? I don't give a shit if it was a racing or incident or not, it was still Vince who did it and that's literally all I said. Why are you so hell-bent on defending him anyway? He deserves every bit of shit flung his way.
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Too busy broing down…you know the reason they have a media job with no media credentials besides connections in the industry
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Oh yeah only the retired pros are worth listening to? Not the current pros that still have skin in the game? The current pros that have to actually race/avoid him! Nah just the ones you think are badass, ones that are badass' like you.. Even though I'd be surprised if you've ever raced in your life..
Whether or not he had the right to do what he did on the start is not the issue.. It's that he didn't have to do it, it was the first HEAT of the YEAR and because he did it he caused a pileup, which caused injuries and fuck off with the Hunter should've just got on the brakes cause they were all already on the brakes when he moved over.. If Vince had just given a bit more room he still would've no doubt got a great start if not holeshot and faded back to where he did anyway.. but it's fine cause he had the line fuck everyone else!
The Dean move was aggressive and stupid! Dumb time to do it, only seemed to do it cause it was Dean and not only took them both out but injured himself sweet racing bro..
Dean probably just wants to spend his retirement year actually racing forward and getting the best results he can, and not getting in a bullshit game of I'm tough cause I can take people out..
Friese didnt do shit to Karnow. It was a racing incident, but, if you gotta place blame somewhere, it goes to Hunter, which i dont even think its his fault. Yes, Friese has a history of being a dumbass but the pitchforking around this race is lame.
Grown ass men threatening and wishing harm on the guy and being happy he got hurt, like WTF?
The pass on Deano wasnt even that bad either. Other than the fact he fell too, I dont really see a shit ton wrong. You pave your own path and Dean had the opportunity to go and get away and didnt. I dont like the fact that Deano got taken out, but it wasnt the dirtiest thing i have witnessed.
And then you have Karnow posting screen shots of a DM to make all his monkeys think hes some sort of badass for messaging Vince. Weaksauce.
My two conclusions from this week go like this; Social media is a cancer, and some of these grown men need to quit acting like little bitches, get a goddamn grip and disconnect from the hive, it's pretty toxic
Please post a picture of the full bike length or even 4/5 length bike length, all the videos/pictures don't show that big a lead. It's funny when people claim things as facts, but can't back them up with evidence!
Vince did not break any rules when he cut across Hunter, even if he was even with if Hunter, he could still cut across and not break any rules.
But it does show a lack of respect for other riders.
well, as this thread has more posts than almost any other thread from week 1, it's "news that their consumers want to know about", yourself included, as you're posting in the thread. Thus, why not provide the content the customers want? your question was surely sarcastic.
@ML512 - can you chime in? Genuinely curious why questions like this aren't ask of the characters involved.
Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked. Logan shared his thoughts. AMA and Feld will just say it’s an on track incident and have no say or opinion in it.
What does him have anything to. do if he raced or not? Lol. Have you raced at the highest level of sx or mx,?
Thank you Michael. That kind of direct answer is what keeps me coming back to listen/read what you, Jamie and Lewis have to report.
That was more to do with him criticizing riders that complain about being taken out as if he wouldn't cause he such a tough guy..
If you've never been in a race situation (No matter the level) I don't think you can sit on your computer havin a go at riders' bravery or heart that are doing at levels we can't really comprehend!
I reckon he's on Vital playing a character and that shit is lame
IMO the current riders only have themselves to blame for Vince's riding. They all have the skills where any of them could fucking nail him in qualifying and put him out of the night show.
Vince has made Deano his bitch a couple times now and all Deano does is go on social media and complain. Clean Vince the fuck out and this shit will stop happening.
The riders only have themselves to blame? They should just take Vince out?
Easier said then done.
Wow, Paul P. was pissed and did not hold back at all.
He even called out Vince’s sponsors 😂
Worth a listen if anyone is keen…
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-steve-matthes-show-on-racerx/…
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How many times will Vince's crashes be shown on the broadcast this weekend?
The aftermath is already prominent on supercross live's website...
Fair enough
You feel that was a good answer? Interviewing Karnow would be far better than him screenshooting a DM and thinking that is all he would say. Has someone (ML or anyone) reached out to MCR or Vince about this weekend or just assuming they will not comment?
Michael participated in the the thread saying "Vince and MCR avoid/refuse to comment when asked".
I appreciate that.
Here's the vid I took of that start. Hard to tell what the gap was, but Friese had the jump and at least 1/2 a bike on Hunter. Then he turned right, too early and too much. Could he? Sure. Should he? No, it was a bad choice. This is why RV almost always took the inside gate. Less chaos there and you can often cut under a crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCaVaSn5SQ
Was going to say the same but didn't want ML to think was signaling him out. Know he was getting heat last year from Honda from some of the questions he asked so know he tries....but just because you think you know what they will say or wont say is the easy way out. Get them on record saying "no comment". Maybe this incident was the "straw that broke the camels back" and now they want to get their side out there? Ask in the press conference so everyone sees what they say, or don't say. Why take a riders twitter post as a PR or "the answer"? Not going to ask them questions because they posted something on "X"? Why not ask Honda how they feel sponsoring a team that wrecked the season of one of your highest paid riders before it even started? Can you imagine the journalist covering NFL teams giving teams/coaches/players so much leeway?
Agreed. Isn't an on-track incident exactly what the AMA is for? How can you let them off the hook when they put Anderson on probation yet do nothing regarding vince? you reached out to Vince for comment or are you simply assuming? Lastly an Instagram DM between two Riders is the end of the conversation?
This is just lazy, sorry..... not bothering to ask and just assuming you know what someone is going to say is not journalism. Even if you're right, it's not journalism. If they've given you that answer 100 times, you make them give it to you for the 101st time. Maybe eventually they talk. You ask follow up questions, like AMA when would you get involved or have an opinion if this example didn't interest you? You develop sources that can give you insight into the discussions within the AMA or Feld or the other teams. You write the story saying you reached out and they didn't respond, said no comment, whatever..... this is freshman year student newspaper basic stuff. Moto media desperately needs to hire some people with journalism degrees.
I appreciate his responses too, but in this case it doesn't sound like he reached out for this incident. It's the age old problem of the "bro media". Not ML's fault or anyone else because if they push too hard, nobody will talk to them. I am not sure what the fix is, but it sure isn't Cooksey or going to that level, but something more investigative than we currently have. Teams should not hide from interviews either and that's much more of an issue than media not asking IMO
I'd agree with the 1/2 bike length, the videos from the sides show 1/2 a bike length, maybe a little more, but nowhere near 4/5 or a full bike length. The way he moved over, Hunter had no chance, not against the rules, it's part of racing, but a d^#k move.
His takeout of Dean Wilson was deliberate, many people think he crossed a line, but there is no line in the rules, it's part of racing, good for entertainment, but not good for the sport, and not good for the influence it has on amateur riders.
You could ask them yourself...
https://twitter.com/HondaPowersprts
https://www.facebook.com/hondaracingcorporation
The fix is hire journalists!! The dilemma of gathering info while not pissing off sources is not unique to moto. A good journalist walks that line well and it can result in a great product and a relationship that benefits everyone.
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