Mosiman rumors…

1/11/2024 9:31am
FHKRacingZ wrote:
How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials?  Big assumptions there...

How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials? 

Big assumptions there my friend...

While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even breaking even with as many riders they are paying for. I know a couple team owners that flushed lots of cash m, but only one of them was cash positive. Mike Kranyak who owned the San Manuel Yamaha/ L&M Yamaha team  told me he was the only Mx/SX team that had a positive cash flow… take that for what it’s worth 

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1/11/2024 9:32am

Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing Laughing

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1/11/2024 9:35am
Xeno wrote:
Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing 

Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing Laughing

He tested with star recently. Before that he was riding a Honda at Pala. Before that, he tested with Bar X. 

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1/11/2024 10:04am
FHKRacingZ wrote:
How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials?  Big assumptions there...

How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials? 

Big assumptions there my friend...

Langhammx wrote:
While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even...

While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even breaking even with as many riders they are paying for. I know a couple team owners that flushed lots of cash m, but only one of them was cash positive. Mike Kranyak who owned the San Manuel Yamaha/ L&M Yamaha team  told me he was the only Mx/SX team that had a positive cash flow… take that for what it’s worth 

If I'm not mistaken, Yamaha pays the rider salaries. Some of these guys are on little salary and heavy bonus.

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1/11/2024 10:17am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 10:18am
Xeno wrote:
Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing 

Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing Laughing

He tested with star recently. Before that he was riding a Honda at Pala. Before that, he tested with Bar X. 

Just blows me away that a rider of his caliber didn’t have a ride locked down going into 2024. I did hear Mike Brown say on Swap Triumph was still looking for outside sponsors for funding. Perhaps things never panned out financially with Triumph to sign a rider of his caliber? 

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1/11/2024 10:30am
Xeno wrote:
Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing 

Clicked to learn about Mosiman. I learned nothing Laughing

He tested with star recently. Before that he was riding a Honda at Pala. Before that, he tested with Bar X. 

707motoman wrote:
Just blows me away that a rider of his caliber didn’t have a ride locked down going into 2024. I did hear Mike Brown say on...

Just blows me away that a rider of his caliber didn’t have a ride locked down going into 2024. I did hear Mike Brown say on Swap Triumph was still looking for outside sponsors for funding. Perhaps things never panned out financially with Triumph to sign a rider of his caliber? 

He’s injured, so that likely has something to do with it. 

1/11/2024 11:10am
Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for...

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for Factory Yamaha? Blows my mind. 

Cortami79 wrote:

Same happened in MXGP Smile  

Which team?

I assume this is Wilvo being referenced. Or maybe Ice One.

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1/11/2024 11:38am
FHKRacingZ wrote:
How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials?  Big assumptions there...

How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials? 

Big assumptions there my friend...

Langhammx wrote:
While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even...

While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even breaking even with as many riders they are paying for. I know a couple team owners that flushed lots of cash m, but only one of them was cash positive. Mike Kranyak who owned the San Manuel Yamaha/ L&M Yamaha team  told me he was the only Mx/SX team that had a positive cash flow… take that for what it’s worth 

JBlain619 wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, Yamaha pays the rider salaries. Some of these guys are on little salary and heavy bonus.

pretty sure that's just the 450 team. 

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1/11/2024 11:43am
DonM wrote:

pretty sure that's just the 450 team. 

Agreed

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1/11/2024 12:49pm

Star is in the car sales business so it all kinda makes sense 

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1/11/2024 1:56pm

When is Beaumer going to Star?

Eventually lol

Yz450fkid wrote:

I think Daniel said Bobby tried to get him and he even test rode the star bike. But ended up signing with ktm.

I think he said he didn't go there because of how fast haiden was and they would probably be competing for a ride.

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1/11/2024 2:09pm

He’s successful but team runs off sponsor dollars and the rest is a marketing write off. He couldn’t afford that roster + expenses on his dollars alone. 

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1/11/2024 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 4:08pm
BobPA wrote:

Flushing money down the shitter on a race team is a tough commitment for even the wealthiest of fan. 

FHKRacingZ wrote:
How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials?  Big assumptions there...

How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials? 

Big assumptions there my friend...

I was talking in general, not specifically about Star. Maybe read the context of the post I quoted and you would understand the context of the conversation. 

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1/11/2024 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 6:16pm
Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for...

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for Factory Yamaha? Blows my mind. 

Cortami79 wrote:

Same happened in MXGP Smile  

Which team?

Take your pick:

Standing Construct - Tim Mathys (Now on Honda)

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Wilvo - Louis Vosters (Now on Fanatic)

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KEMEA (Corpallets) - Hans Coververs (Now Running MXGP team)

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And Yamaha his new MX2 team is run by the owner of Hutten Metaal, Wim Hutten. It feels weird that the factory set ups became leeches and suck passionate fans who are running those 'factory team' dry, while they are running and promoting their bikes...

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1/12/2024 4:07pm
BobPA wrote:

Flushing money down the shitter on a race team is a tough commitment for even the wealthiest of fan. 

FHKRacingZ wrote:
How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials?  Big assumptions there...

How do you know the team is flushing money? How do you know they are not cash flow positive? You seen Star's financials? 

Big assumptions there my friend...

BobPA wrote:
I was talking in general, not specifically about Star. Maybe read the context of the post I quoted and you would understand the context of the...

I was talking in general, not specifically about Star. Maybe read the context of the post I quoted and you would understand the context of the conversation. 

Ahh gotcha, so you weren’t referring to Star in a thread about Star. Got it Huh

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1/12/2024 4:45pm
Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for...

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for Factory Yamaha? Blows my mind. 

Star racing has been around a long time. They were around way before yamaha turned the engine around on the 250 and made it a good bike. They were kind of a joke of a team before yamaha turned the engine around and star just so happened to be the only team running Yamahas at the time. 

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1/12/2024 5:15pm
Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for...

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for Factory Yamaha? Blows my mind. 

Star racing has been around a long time. They were around way before yamaha turned the engine around on the 250 and made it a good...

Star racing has been around a long time. They were around way before yamaha turned the engine around on the 250 and made it a good bike. They were kind of a joke of a team before yamaha turned the engine around and star just so happened to be the only team running Yamahas at the time. 

They merged with what remained of YOT. That’s how old they are. They also had Valli in the name for a while. 

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1/12/2024 5:28pm

They merged with what remained of YOT. That’s how old they are. They also had Valli in the name for a while. 

They were around wayyy before that. They’ve been racing since 1999

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1/12/2024 5:28pm
The part where Blair said that Bobby approached his orange brigade riders in front of their semi to try to recruit them was crazy. Also blew...

The part where Blair said that Bobby approached his orange brigade riders in front of their semi to try to recruit them was crazy. Also blew my mind when Steve said they’ve been approaching multiple guys who already have contracts on existing supercross teams, telling them they’ll help them get out of their contracts. 

USA wrote:

False lmao. Bobby wasn't even at Mini O's and Daniel Blair didn't say which team approached his riders.

Blair said it was Star that approached 2 of their riders. 

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1/12/2024 5:52pm

Star has a habit of hiring 250 guys that can’t keep the rubber side down, so this seems like a good fit. 

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1/12/2024 5:56pm

Star has a habit of hiring 250 guys that can’t keep the rubber side down, so this seems like a good fit. 

Why isn't Austin Forkner a Star rider?

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1/12/2024 6:26pm
Langhammx wrote:
While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even...

While that is definitely an assumption, I highly doubt that Star Yamaha is cash flow positive. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere close to even breaking even with as many riders they are paying for. I know a couple team owners that flushed lots of cash m, but only one of them was cash positive. Mike Kranyak who owned the San Manuel Yamaha/ L&M Yamaha team  told me he was the only Mx/SX team that had a positive cash flow… take that for what it’s worth 

JBlain619 wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, Yamaha pays the rider salaries. Some of these guys are on little salary and heavy bonus.

DonM wrote:

pretty sure that's just the 450 team. 

Yamaha pays the salaries for certain 250 guys, just like Kawasaki with PC. 
 

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1/12/2024 6:53pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What? I guess I gotta watch Pulp. How deep are Stars pockets for christs sake?

Zycki11 wrote:

Bobby owns a MASSIVE car dealership based out of Houston. Deep pockets

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for...

Isn't it crazy that some fan with deep pockets came in and created one of the most successful teams and fastest engines and took over for Factory Yamaha? Blows my mind. 

It’s is crazy isn’t. Especially when you realize how non existent moto is in Wiggins Ms. 

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1/13/2024 4:08am

Would be awesome if this is actually true. Would be cool if something was released this weekend since Michael grew up in NorCal about 40 miles from SF.

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1/13/2024 7:14am

I’m gonna wait to see if a reliable source confirms that before I believe it.

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