What did mitch find?

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11/30/2023 10:32am

The electric pump is nothing new.

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11/30/2023 10:35am

Max Anstie hook it up Mitch with the big bore ? 

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MxAddic wrote:
 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way...

 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way to do that is move more air. Most of the gains appear to be on top exemplified by their starting prowess.

mxtech1 wrote:
We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software...

We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software used to control the ECU. To be more specific, if they're modifying the control scheme for starting maps and have found improved logic that results in greater translation of power to forward drive, then the bike is going to demonstrate quicker acceleration & higher top end speed down the start straight. 

We certainly are. Tuning is not software, it's a setting. I am going with Mitch is not running a standard remapped ECU. Let's assume it's a factory Kawi with it's own firmware. I am well aware of both the aspect of the device and software used to access it.

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11/30/2023 11:47am

ENGINE MODIFICATIONS, obviously. Vital tells me they can do it for me, as well! 

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11/30/2023 1:09pm
MxAddic wrote:
 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way...

 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way to do that is move more air. Most of the gains appear to be on top exemplified by their starting prowess.

mxtech1 wrote:
We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software...

We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software used to control the ECU. To be more specific, if they're modifying the control scheme for starting maps and have found improved logic that results in greater translation of power to forward drive, then the bike is going to demonstrate quicker acceleration & higher top end speed down the start straight. 

This is exactly what I meant in my post. 

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11/30/2023 2:05pm
NSP139 wrote:

It all started to change when they hired the motor guy from Honda

Exactly. Unobtanium pistons/ rings and a super high compression head system similar to what Cooked Hunters crf250

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They started running shell rotella. 

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Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

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They started running shell rotella. 

TeamGreen wrote:
Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

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Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

But ran it out of a Maxima bottle.

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They started running shell rotella. 

TeamGreen wrote:
Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

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Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

Need help understanding this joke as I've run Rotella in all of my bikes for 20 years...

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They started running shell rotella. 

TeamGreen wrote:
Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

Laughing

Made me laugh. Nice! 👍🏼

mtl wrote:

Need help understanding this joke as I've run Rotella in all of my bikes for 20 years...

This is the first I've heard of diesel dirtbikes, tell me more.

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MxAddic wrote:
 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way...

 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way to do that is move more air. Most of the gains appear to be on top exemplified by their starting prowess.

mxtech1 wrote:
We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software...

We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software used to control the ECU. To be more specific, if they're modifying the control scheme for starting maps and have found improved logic that results in greater translation of power to forward drive, then the bike is going to demonstrate quicker acceleration & higher top end speed down the start straight. 

MxAddic wrote:
We certainly are. Tuning is not software, it's a setting. I am going with Mitch is not running a standard remapped ECU. Let's assume it's a...

We certainly are. Tuning is not software, it's a setting. I am going with Mitch is not running a standard remapped ECU. Let's assume it's a factory Kawi with it's own firmware. I am well aware of both the aspect of the device and software used to access it.

People hear ECU and presume some sophisticated, super intelligent unit.

They're still tuning with TPS as load (Alpha-N, TPS Vs RPM, whatever) and no variable valve timing or variable intake or whatnot, sure you can pull timing or add fuel for traction or managing delivery, but surely there is a fairly fixed result for an optimal tune.

Anyway, whatever it is hope PC ha e a good year.

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12/1/2023 3:21am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2023 3:21am

When they originally found the gain, I too was thinking ecu, particularly on the start, but the improvement was noticeable everywhere.
Remember the Kawi’s and Honda’s getting pulled up Mt Martin by the Star bikes? Later in the season, the green bikes were able to match them all of a sudden. If Mitch says you could see it; I’m thinking pipe.

This is Pro Circuit after all.

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CPR wrote:
When they originally found the gain, I too was thinking ecu, particularly on the start, but the improvement was noticeable everywhere. Remember the Kawi’s and Honda’s...

When they originally found the gain, I too was thinking ecu, particularly on the start, but the improvement was noticeable everywhere.
Remember the Kawi’s and Honda’s getting pulled up Mt Martin by the Star bikes? Later in the season, the green bikes were able to match them all of a sudden. If Mitch says you could see it; I’m thinking pipe.

This is Pro Circuit after all.

A pipe won’t make that change in power. It’s more delivery based. 

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I was told by a rider it was a combination of things. Chassis, mapping, and something in the motor that he didn’t know.  He did say...

I was told by a rider it was a combination of things. Chassis, mapping, and something in the motor that he didn’t know.  He did say the biggest improvement was how they got the chassis to work. 

A mechanic on the team mentioned similar to me. Said the engine spec was actually updated for the first round of outdoors but a combination of new suspension and chassis setup throughout the season is what finally allowed the guys to utilize everything. 

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Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of nowhere. Thats the first I had heard it had to do with the air boot, there was a lot of speculation about other things. I wonder what it is they did I’m pretty sure they already use a second injector. 

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of...

Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of nowhere. Thats the first I had heard it had to do with the air boot, there was a lot of speculation about other things. I wonder what it is they did I’m pretty sure they already use a second injector. 

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of...

Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of nowhere. Thats the first I had heard it had to do with the air boot, there was a lot of speculation about other things. I wonder what it is they did I’m pretty sure they already use a second injector. 

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Mitch turned the tables on the Star bikes and they have dominated the starts since.

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of...

Matthes said today on the podcast that it was “air boot stuff” that kawi found last year that delivered so much extra hp seemingly out of nowhere. Thats the first I had heard it had to do with the air boot, there was a lot of speculation about other things. I wonder what it is they did I’m pretty sure they already use a second injector. 

MxAddic wrote:

When did you take a picture with Steve? 

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Mitch found Levi Kitchen

Thread was made before kitchen had ever raced on a kawi, it was based off Shimoda and ryder d ripping holeshots every race all of a sudden out of nowhere. Yes though kitchen is ripping and is loving whatever they found last year that has carried into this year. 

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Traction Control!!!!

 

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Mitch is a God.  Whatever he and his camp have found, everyone will play catch up for a spell, possibly catch him, then he will find something else and pull away again.  You cannot keep him down.  Old School MX dudes don't lay down and quit, they just do stuff first, then sit back and laugh while you try to figure out what they are up to......

PC is THE STANDARD.  Even HRC has asked Mitch for help......  along with everyone else at some point and time.

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dadofagun wrote:
Mitch is a God.  Whatever he and his camp have found, everyone will play catch up for a spell, possibly catch him, then he will find...

Mitch is a God.  Whatever he and his camp have found, everyone will play catch up for a spell, possibly catch him, then he will find something else and pull away again.  You cannot keep him down.  Old School MX dudes don't lay down and quit, they just do stuff first, then sit back and laugh while you try to figure out what they are up to......

PC is THE STANDARD.  Even HRC has asked Mitch for help......  along with everyone else at some point and time.

Geez, calm down.

Plenty of teams have catched up and passed the PC program and now when Mitch finally got some results again he is a god?.

He had the best stuff in the 2000’s 125cc class and the first 250f years, but since then it’s Mitch that had to do the catch up a long side with not hiring the best riders for a number of years.

 

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dadofagun wrote:
Mitch is a God.  Whatever he and his camp have found, everyone will play catch up for a spell, possibly catch him, then he will find...

Mitch is a God.  Whatever he and his camp have found, everyone will play catch up for a spell, possibly catch him, then he will find something else and pull away again.  You cannot keep him down.  Old School MX dudes don't lay down and quit, they just do stuff first, then sit back and laugh while you try to figure out what they are up to......

PC is THE STANDARD.  Even HRC has asked Mitch for help......  along with everyone else at some point and time.

Tumic wrote:
Geez, calm down. Plenty of teams have catched up and passed the PC program and now when Mitch finally got some results again he is a...

Geez, calm down.

Plenty of teams have catched up and passed the PC program and now when Mitch finally got some results again he is a god?.

He had the best stuff in the 2000’s 125cc class and the first 250f years, but since then it’s Mitch that had to do the catch up a long side with not hiring the best riders for a number of years.

 

Learn some MX history genius......   

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At a guess I'd say ECU related 

Bingo!!!

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MxAddic wrote:
 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way...

 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way to do that is move more air. Most of the gains appear to be on top exemplified by their starting prowess.

mxtech1 wrote:
We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software...

We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software used to control the ECU. To be more specific, if they're modifying the control scheme for starting maps and have found improved logic that results in greater translation of power to forward drive, then the bike is going to demonstrate quicker acceleration & higher top end speed down the start straight. 

Mxtech1 is on the money here.  Ecu is so critical.  

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MxAddic wrote:
 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way...

 At that level a software upgrade from what they already are running is not going to get you in the neighborhood of 5HP. The only way to do that is move more air. Most of the gains appear to be on top exemplified by their starting prowess.

mxtech1 wrote:
We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software...

We are thinking differently. I'm not speaking of a software engine "tune" to find hidden power. What I am speaking of is the architecture of the software used to control the ECU. To be more specific, if they're modifying the control scheme for starting maps and have found improved logic that results in greater translation of power to forward drive, then the bike is going to demonstrate quicker acceleration & higher top end speed down the start straight. 

Mxtech1 is on the money here.  Ecu is so critical.  

You can see software? Mitch must be lying. I think you are one of the folks RC and RV was talking about that can't drink beer and eat Cheetos ATST.

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He found a way to calm a couple of REALLY FAST guys to be fast and consistent all the way to the checkered flag. Unfortunately it appears the Forkner missed the memo. So bummed for Austin....  

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