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The OEM's would have paid more, for reverse engineering.
No.
Don't feel bad, I would have deleted that shit too. It was super embarrassing.
I guess that's the difference between you and me.
I should be embarrassed by who shows up at a race? I know it wasn't going to be you. Podium @ Area Qualifier is so embarrassing I am not sure I can live with myself.
You have basically told me every aspect of my life it is shit. Your a real special guy. Maybe you need to look in the mirror.
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Anybody who has been involved in LiPo/LiFe RC racing the past 20 years will disagree with your last sentence.
I like to pick on ol' MxDic as much as the next guy but..... based on those photos he's probably faster than the average Vitard.
shit.... I would podium every race I went to if there was only 3 people total that showed up lol.
The picture of his sandwich really shows his raw speed.
although the sandwich did look pretty tasty.
How many riders is it before it's legit in your pea brain? I got a shitton of them here to show you. I will make sure the next one meets your standard. The only reason I picked those two was because you where mocking my photo of that race.
A lot of the fast guys eat them. The shop is right down the road from the track. BTW I never cleared the sandwich until the next day. SO, another thing your wrong about as usual.
More than 3...
Well there was 6 in the other class I already posted from the same day brainiac
Did the sandwich get first place?
When I got home I had to race it to the can...
I doubt any manufacturers would use LiPo batteries in any bikes, the polymer electrolyte battery swells due to gas build up, before bursting and catastrophic failure, there are more suitable chemistries out there.
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Why did you have to post this picture? Now I am hungry.
solid look sammich though!
Is that the first positive response @MxAddic has received?
This was a decent thread until all the bullshit showed up.
Ding ding ding!
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Imagine someone looking for actual info regarding Stark orders and payments. A google search brings them here..... to 38 pages of vitals finest shit show. We even have some pictures of a hoagie, in case the reader is trying to figure out what's for dinner.
Really unfortunate that some people who have absolutely no interest in the bike (which is fine) feel like they have to derail any electric bike thread so some useful posts are hidden among troves of shit posting, tired tropes about EV.
You would think that if they had any genuine interest in the topics they use to move the goalposts and derail the thread they could start their own thread about it.
That would be one thread dedicated to exchange opinions and news about the Varg and one thread to explain how all electric vehicles are the work of the devil, that no one wants them anyway, that EMX will be the end the sport, and if you look at the big picture it's all because of the communists that will shoot us anyway.
Honestly this second thread would be great fun to read.
Tell me how he's wrong. I agree with him. Once RC batteries degrade over time, they puff up and don't charge fully. If you race them the life of RC batteries is very short depending on the charging abuse you put it thru. They still have the same power but time/range is reduced slightly. Then you have to pop them and dispose of them at the track.
I think most Li battery power tools experience a drop in performance as the voltage decreases. Even the best one's like Milwaukee's Red Lithium power management.
RC batteries that are doing that are pouch style cells. And like You said they are abused often. The Varg's battery is going to be harder to abuse like that, until somebody builds a different charger or adapts something.
Its been a few years since I was playing with my RC's. But the chargers I had then, You could adjust the amps manually and charge at rates higher than the battery was intended to charge at. As long as people stick to the Varg settings for the charger and run batteries with specs comparable to the OEM Varg , It is going to be very difficult to abuse them to the levels you can with an RC.
I would think that Power tools would be a more similar type of experience as far as lifespan and reliability. Power Tools are mostly using the same or similar cylindrical style cells. Some are using pouch style cells now too. That makes me think that they are getting pouch cells to be more reliable and not have as many issues when they have a much more controlled charge and discharge environment. Pouch style cells are harder to cool than the cylindrical cells , but have other advantages.
As badass as everybody wants to think they are, Nobody is going to be able to twist the throttle on a Varg and keep it open like the average RC car driver will with their 1/8th scale buggy. From what I remember reading, the electric system, both its demand on discharging and charging are set very conservative from the factory. There will be learning that has to happen. And mistakes that people make , But Stark has done a good job designing the system so that it will be much harder to abuse than the average RC battery.
I saw one on marketplace with one hour on it for $19K. Near Ohio I believe
The other thing to keep in mind in the RC world you are working with pretty low voltages (3-6 cells in series), so to get high power numbers you are pushing lots of current (100s of amps in the airplane world sometimes). This is pretty hard on things, especially the batteries. The stark pack with higher voltages and cells in parallel leads to much lower current draw per cell and should help longevity considerably.
Most riders spend little time at full throttle, so average current draw will be low.
Fast charging also reduces battery life, slow charge to improve battery longevity.
Sand and hard conditions could push the battery pretty hard, hope their thermal or discharge monitoring is up to the task to maintain battery health.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've read anything about a discharge setting or nominal voltage storage charge setting on the Stark charger. Could be useful for those of us that live in cold climates and are likely to park the bike for a few months a year.
You mention what to do if parking the bike for a few months if you live in a cold climate,
(it's a good question as the replacement battery is so expensive)-
my first thought was to remove the battery and store it in your house at room temperature to help preserve the battery
BUT then I thought about all those news stories I have seen where the removable lithium batteries used in electric scooters etc. have caught fire in people's homes when on charge, or just stored.
SO , if I had one of these in a cold climate, I think I would find an old steel Safe or similar Fireproof cupboard to keep the battery in while stored indoors. ( and only charge it while someone is awake in the house!)
Many battery fires are caused by either modified batteries or plugging in random chargers that "fit". And fires from batteries that are not under charge or use are extremely rare. I don't know if the Stark has a main breaker/disconnect, but disconnecting the battery from the rest of the electronics would be a good safety feature since the battery isn't easily removable to prevent a short.
Lithium batteries don't like to be stored at full voltage, they like to be stored at nominal voltage, generally 3.7v per cell. I don't know how the balancing system on the Stark is so I don't know if you just charge it to 50% how each cell is balanced. Generally chargers will balance by each series of cells, not individual cells, if at all.
At $7k a battery pack this is something people need to be aware of.
I understand that GRAVITY team (who races in the all electric FIM World E-Xplorer World Cup) have two different bikes on its team. One KTM and one STARK. Round 4 was just uploaded. Super Small Series, not sure if it will continue for next year.
I enjoyed watching these highlights for the 2023 season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFfn6zY_yVI
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