E bike talk

Tarz483 wrote:

Me too, have you ever seen the Langtown Supercross races? That type of racing could potentially be everywhere! With KX100 sized electric bikes This picture is...

Me too, have you ever seen the Langtown Supercross races?

That type of racing could potentially be everywhere! With KX100 sized electric bikes

This picture is a 4 stroke DMC I think it's the one Ryan Hughes Raced at Langtown.

( and I think it will be)

yz133rider wrote:

I get what you’re saying about it being easier to make jumps as a good thing. I’ve felt that on 450s vs a 125, but I’ve...

I get what you’re saying about it being easier to make jumps as a good thing. I’ve felt that on 450s vs a 125, but I’ve also felt gone for jumps I’ll never make on a 125 on a 450, I don’t have the elite corner speed of the legit fast guys who can make it on the smaller bikes but put me on a 450 and I can jump it.

 

do I have any business jumping it just because the bikes fast enough, not sure, the risks are huge I know that.

 

One wrong move with the throttle and it breaks traction with the high hp bikes and you’re along for a ride.

 

the fast and hooked up bikes are great until one wrong moment or they finally do break traction and you’re ejected hard and fast.

 

the slower lighter bikes don’t do that.

 

I really think the majority of riders are c class and at this point vets, they’d have more fun and the racing would be better, albeit slower, on 125s

 

look to spec Miata racing. The costs, risks, and limits are lower, the racing is closer, the cars are approachable, and the classes are the biggest in that type of racing.

 

watching old guy classes on 450s and hearing more chain slapping than rpms and watching them get jerked around down every straight is almost a shame to watch.

 

we’re all bamboozled by the highest performance and we “gotta have it for the starts” and then suffer on the entire rest of the track.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Who said that all EMX bikes have to have 80HP ??  I bet that something in the 35-45HP range would be fun and enough power for...

Who said that all EMX bikes have to have 80HP ??  I bet that something in the 35-45HP range would be fun and enough power for most people that ride.  Just because the Varg has big Max HP doesn't mean that will be what the other bikes are. Or that nobody will build a lighter less powerful option.

Specialized has their SL lines that have smaller batteries, less torque, etc.  Basing everything on the Varg ,that was designed to be the fastest and most powerful dirtbike is kinda like comparing every street bike to a Hayabusa. The current Varg just might be the dirt version of a Hayabusa. With the big racing classes running lower powered versions. Just about everybody who rides the Varg says that the 80HP setting is crazy. They did it because they could. To get attention and show what electric and they could do.  

 

The Max power of electric can be impressive, but its the controllability, flexibility of chassis design, reduced number of overall parts, less maintanance along with many other things that make me believe in and excited about electric.Not giant max power numbers. Sure they can build those too. But like the days of 500 2 strokes, not everybody will enjoy riding with that much power more than with less. And as much as I think electric can do good for MX. I do not want to see gas bikes go away.         

yz133rider wrote:

Just the max power alone doesn’t take into account the breadth and traction these things will have. 250fs have shown to destroy 125s despite being similar...

Just the max power alone doesn’t take into account the breadth and traction these things will have. 250fs have shown to destroy 125s despite being similar peak hp when they first came out because of the traction and breadth of power.

 

these electric bikes will have that x10 since they make peak tq at any time of asking.

sure they can tune it down but who really thinks they’ll be tuned closer to an 85s power spread vs a 450s let’s be real nobody is going to Tune them to be narrow power band and hard to use.

 

any way nobody cares lolol

yz133rider wrote:

I get what you’re saying about it being easier to make jumps as a good thing. I’ve felt that on 450s vs a 125, but I’ve...

I get what you’re saying about it being easier to make jumps as a good thing. I’ve felt that on 450s vs a 125, but I’ve also felt gone for jumps I’ll never make on a 125 on a 450, I don’t have the elite corner speed of the legit fast guys who can make it on the smaller bikes but put me on a 450 and I can jump it.

 

do I have any business jumping it just because the bikes fast enough, not sure, the risks are huge I know that.

 

One wrong move with the throttle and it breaks traction with the high hp bikes and you’re along for a ride.

 

the fast and hooked up bikes are great until one wrong moment or they finally do break traction and you’re ejected hard and fast.

 

the slower lighter bikes don’t do that.

 

I really think the majority of riders are c class and at this point vets, they’d have more fun and the racing would be better, albeit slower, on 125s

 

look to spec Miata racing. The costs, risks, and limits are lower, the racing is closer, the cars are approachable, and the classes are the biggest in that type of racing.

 

watching old guy classes on 450s and hearing more chain slapping than rpms and watching them get jerked around down every straight is almost a shame to watch.

 

we’re all bamboozled by the highest performance and we “gotta have it for the starts” and then suffer on the entire rest of the track.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Who said that all EMX bikes have to have 80HP ??  I bet that something in the 35-45HP range would be fun and enough power for...

Who said that all EMX bikes have to have 80HP ??  I bet that something in the 35-45HP range would be fun and enough power for most people that ride.  Just because the Varg has big Max HP doesn't mean that will be what the other bikes are. Or that nobody will build a lighter less powerful option.

Specialized has their SL lines that have smaller batteries, less torque, etc.  Basing everything on the Varg ,that was designed to be the fastest and most powerful dirtbike is kinda like comparing every street bike to a Hayabusa. The current Varg just might be the dirt version of a Hayabusa. With the big racing classes running lower powered versions. Just about everybody who rides the Varg says that the 80HP setting is crazy. They did it because they could. To get attention and show what electric and they could do.  

 

The Max power of electric can be impressive, but its the controllability, flexibility of chassis design, reduced number of overall parts, less maintanance along with many other things that make me believe in and excited about electric.Not giant max power numbers. Sure they can build those too. But like the days of 500 2 strokes, not everybody will enjoy riding with that much power more than with less. And as much as I think electric can do good for MX. I do not want to see gas bikes go away.         

yz133rider wrote:

Just the max power alone doesn’t take into account the breadth and traction these things will have. 250fs have shown to destroy 125s despite being similar...

Just the max power alone doesn’t take into account the breadth and traction these things will have. 250fs have shown to destroy 125s despite being similar peak hp when they first came out because of the traction and breadth of power.

 

these electric bikes will have that x10 since they make peak tq at any time of asking.

sure they can tune it down but who really thinks they’ll be tuned closer to an 85s power spread vs a 450s let’s be real nobody is going to Tune them to be narrow power band and hard to use.

 

any way nobody cares lolol

HonDawg17 wrote:

Maybe why I'm so harsh on the EV bikes, besides the politics, is because to me it makes the bike seem like a toy rather than...

Maybe why I'm so harsh on the EV bikes, besides the politics, is because to me it makes the bike seem like a toy rather than a machine or a tool. Growing up on RC cars before I got to motocross, anything electric seems like a childish toy instead of a manly machine. I honestly never thought long enough on the HP mapping until a minute ago. The way someone put it into better perspective, you can basically own a 250F AND a 450F in 1 bike package. You can have a HP map of a 250F with 45HP and then a 450F with 60HP the next time you go out. I'm still never going to buy 1, but its one good perk.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

You can also have a 125 and 110 or 50 all by tuning.  You can ride a moto and have the free rolling, and lower HP...

You can also have a 125 and 110 or 50 all by tuning.  You can ride a moto and have the free rolling, and lower HP feel of a 125. Then pull in, charge up and go back out with Your 450 map on and have engine braking and power more like a 450. 

I could see a shop like PC selling maps that would mimic the feel of past champs bikes. You could ride with the RC 125 package, or the RC rmz power package. And they could tune it to mimic each style of power. It might be a novelty . But I think It would be fun to get to feel what the power was like for each riders  bikes back then. 

tek14 wrote:

Stark with 60-80hp seems too much but if there was option for lighter bike limited to 40hp and maybe even easier price point it could sell...

Stark with 60-80hp seems too much but if there was option for lighter bike limited to 40hp and maybe even easier price point it could sell with many upsides like almost zero maintenance or replace parts you need mechanic skills. Also we have some great tracks near town area that are closed because noice that could have second life with E-bikes. Sure I will save my 450f but other bike could be E-bike as soon as they hit shop floors. 

crt32 wrote:

No one is going to watch Tesla's go down a drag strip (even though they can run under 10s) just like no one is going to...

No one is going to watch Tesla's go down a drag strip (even though they can run under 10s) just like no one is going to attend SX/MX to watch a bunch of E Bikes. Riders hitting the rev limiter right before a disaster and blasting off the start is part of the experience. 

crt32 wrote:

No one is going to watch Tesla's go down a drag strip (even though they can run under 10s) just like no one is going to...

No one is going to watch Tesla's go down a drag strip (even though they can run under 10s) just like no one is going to attend SX/MX to watch a bunch of E Bikes. Riders hitting the rev limiter right before a disaster and blasting off the start is part of the experience. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

The "sport" isn't just Pro SX/MX, do you ride?

yz133rider wrote:

Do you not agree if pro Sx/mx disappears the “sport” and the gear, bikes, products, support, development changes drastically?

richardw.kreidl wrote:

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the...

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the topic of tracks. The advent of e-bikes is already revolutionizing accessibility. Just in my vicinity, there's a new track specifically build for e-bikes like the KTM Freeride and Stark. It's right next to residential areas. This is something unheard of where I'm from. Most tracks around here operate 2-3 days a week and never on Sundays. E-bikes make daily riding on this track possible. There's no conceivable scenario where this track would've opened had it been for gas bikes. So while we might debate the pros and cons of the machinery, there's no denying that e-bikes are bringing new opportunities and reshaping the landscape of the sport.

Last2Stroke wrote:

The "sport" isn't just Pro SX/MX, do you ride?

richardw.kreidl wrote:

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the...

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the topic of tracks. The advent of e-bikes is already revolutionizing accessibility. Just in my vicinity, there's a new track specifically build for e-bikes like the KTM Freeride and Stark. It's right next to residential areas. This is something unheard of where I'm from. Most tracks around here operate 2-3 days a week and never on Sundays. E-bikes make daily riding on this track possible. There's no conceivable scenario where this track would've opened had it been for gas bikes. So while we might debate the pros and cons of the machinery, there's no denying that e-bikes are bringing new opportunities and reshaping the landscape of the sport.

queen of spodes wrote:

e-bike only tracks near to and in suburban areas will be a huge driver in getting people off the 4-strokes. There will be a lot of...

e-bike only tracks near to and in suburban areas will be a huge driver in getting people off the 4-strokes. There will be a lot of pressure on existing tracks in contested areas to go all electric.

We lost a ton of tracks when 4 strokes took over due to noise alone, it stands to reason we'll get some back in the future when we don't have noise as a primary complaint.

HonDawg17 wrote:

Maybe why I'm so harsh on the EV bikes, besides the politics, is because to me it makes the bike seem like a toy rather than...

Maybe why I'm so harsh on the EV bikes, besides the politics, is because to me it makes the bike seem like a toy rather than a machine or a tool. Growing up on RC cars before I got to motocross, anything electric seems like a childish toy instead of a manly machine. I honestly never thought long enough on the HP mapping until a minute ago. The way someone put it into better perspective, you can basically own a 250F AND a 450F in 1 bike package. You can have a HP map of a 250F with 45HP and then a 450F with 60HP the next time you go out. I'm still never going to buy 1, but its one good perk.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

You can also have a 125 and 110 or 50 all by tuning.  You can ride a moto and have the free rolling, and lower HP...

You can also have a 125 and 110 or 50 all by tuning.  You can ride a moto and have the free rolling, and lower HP feel of a 125. Then pull in, charge up and go back out with Your 450 map on and have engine braking and power more like a 450. 

I could see a shop like PC selling maps that would mimic the feel of past champs bikes. You could ride with the RC 125 package, or the RC rmz power package. And they could tune it to mimic each style of power. It might be a novelty . But I think It would be fun to get to feel what the power was like for each riders  bikes back then. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

That's unlikely shops would sell mapping, somebody would post a screen shot online and there go the sales. More likely, PC would sell hardware like titanium...

That's unlikely shops would sell mapping, somebody would post a screen shot online and there go the sales.

More likely, PC would sell hardware like titanium shaft stators, for reduced rotating mass and higher performance, or services like battery pack rebuilds, with options for higher capacity batteries.

richardw.kreidl wrote:

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the...

I get where you're coming from, and you make some valid points about the evolution of the sport. But I'd like to weigh in on the topic of tracks. The advent of e-bikes is already revolutionizing accessibility. Just in my vicinity, there's a new track specifically build for e-bikes like the KTM Freeride and Stark. It's right next to residential areas. This is something unheard of where I'm from. Most tracks around here operate 2-3 days a week and never on Sundays. E-bikes make daily riding on this track possible. There's no conceivable scenario where this track would've opened had it been for gas bikes. So while we might debate the pros and cons of the machinery, there's no denying that e-bikes are bringing new opportunities and reshaping the landscape of the sport.

queen of spodes wrote:

e-bike only tracks near to and in suburban areas will be a huge driver in getting people off the 4-strokes. There will be a lot of...

e-bike only tracks near to and in suburban areas will be a huge driver in getting people off the 4-strokes. There will be a lot of pressure on existing tracks in contested areas to go all electric.

We lost a ton of tracks when 4 strokes took over due to noise alone, it stands to reason we'll get some back in the future when we don't have noise as a primary complaint.

Last2Stroke wrote:

If electric solves the noise issue and tracks are watered to solve the dust issue, tracks still need liability insurance, which is getting more and more...

If electric solves the noise issue and tracks are watered to solve the dust issue, tracks still need liability insurance, which is getting more and more expensive.

HonDawg17 wrote:

A lot of the Pro-EV people in here think motocross tracks shutting down is solely a noise problem. Its not. Non-moto people don't even like looking...

A lot of the Pro-EV people in here think motocross tracks shutting down is solely a noise problem. Its not. Non-moto people don't even like looking at a mx track, they think its an eye sore. Remove the noise today and people outside the sport will find anything to bitch about to get a track shut down. Mainly they'll just want to buy up the land to put houses in to get more money out of the land. Its not a sound problem.

HonDawg17 wrote:

A lot of the Pro-EV people in here think motocross tracks shutting down is solely a noise problem. Its not. Non-moto people don't even like looking...

A lot of the Pro-EV people in here think motocross tracks shutting down is solely a noise problem. Its not. Non-moto people don't even like looking at a mx track, they think its an eye sore. Remove the noise today and people outside the sport will find anything to bitch about to get a track shut down. Mainly they'll just want to buy up the land to put houses in to get more money out of the land. Its not a sound problem.

sumdood wrote:

Sad the hoops that are having to be jumped through on this planet to keep the ever increasing numbers of pussfied soft whiny ass crybaby clueless...

Sad the hoops that are having to be jumped through on this planet to keep the ever increasing numbers of pussfied soft whiny ass crybaby clueless dipshit queebee asshole fat lazy complain about every fucking thing population which think some background.noise is somehow going to destroy their quality of life.  Goddamn just shut the fuck up, and stop listening to them cause they’ll never be content. Fuck I’m sick of people.  We went to a concert last night, found it it’s the last concert ever there, due to people complaining they can hear it.  God help this stupid planet.  Meanwhile theres freeway noise and airplanes flying around everywhere, sirens going off all day, but no the dirt bike noise must be stopped. Fuck me I’m tired of people. Sorry for rant yes e bikes are cool, let’s all get them so the babies can enjoy they’re quiet before they go out and chop off your front bumper and flip you off in their Tesla’s. Sorry for the rant, all the shit going on in this world and these fucks are crying about hearing some people enjoying life off in the distance. Fuck me what happened to this place. Maybe we should all kill each other.   Lol