Can we make the jumps more challenging for Pro's!

Perhaps there are ways to do that. My mental picture when reading your question is dudes 4th gear tapped on 450s flying 120 feet down a hill. Maybe the bikes are just too damn fast

Jumps are already too big and steep. I would say to make rhythm sections more challenging, mainly non-standard jumps which tests them way more than big jumps.

So you think the jumps were more challenging in the 80s and 90s than they are today?

Hop on a 125

I think it was the 80s when jumps were built crazy steep. Track building has been perfected a bit.

Also, the bikes are better. Suspension tuning is better, suspension geometry, tires, engines. All makes for smoother delivery with more traction.

Ain't no one scared of a carb bogging these days

Mandatory heel clickers.

Marv for 2024 champ.

Leave the jumps the same and only ride 2 strokes indoors. 125's and 250's. Watch all that talent get put to use again.

Outside of deliberately putting in obstacles to slow the riders down or making different options in rhythm lanes, there isn’t much that can be done. The bikes and riders are just too good. The jumps you’re thinking of (i.e. 125s not being able to clear SX triples) were difficult because the bikes were slower and more difficult to ride perfectly. These guys can hit that same triple on a 250f in first gear out of the inside of a corner. Make that triple bigger and you use up a lot more floor space and lower lap times instead of making a technical rhythm lane that hopefully can provide options with different speeds while still maintaining a challenging enough track so the racing is decent. It doesn’t always work out that way unfortunately. 

Yeah, the field didn’t get thinned out enough last year. 

Remember that massive jump they made at Atlanta the one year (I think 2021..🤔) and Hunter almost died/Nicoletti lost his mind at the track builders?

To quote Phil; 

“WE’RE NOT FU*KING CATS!” 😂

We've already got people not making it home from a day at the track.  If you're that good go race outdoors.  Local public tracks are meant to cater to those who spend money to finance professionals like yourself.  Build the jumps like you are asking and that track will shut down fairly quickly since the Vet riders who spend their money in this sport are no longer showing up. 

I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I like that jumps are safer these days. Bikes are so much better today, which means speeds are a lot higher...and injuries more severe. I'm not saying an average rider should be able to do every jump on a track, but...you do see tighter racing when things are a little more tame. And I see fewer ambulances leaving the tracks now too. Corner speed, line choice, gate pick etc. all matter a whole lot more on "safer" tracks. 

Completely agree ive been saying it for years , 450s are to fast to the point pros are taming them down it's not right 👍 

This ^, the SMX races had quite a few jump combos that even the best of them were not hitting perfectly every lap. I also like the fact that for Kenny to keep up with Jett he had to "learn" that quad mid race!

A star 250 is faster than MC's chaparral yamaha.  Not going to be able to put the rabbit back in the hat.

Yeah lets make the sport more dangerous at the professional level. That should do it

When I started racing - if your finished finished 1st - 2nd - 3rd - you started with your bike turns backwards...just a thought.

Or one moto...you choose almost stock 450s.....second moto 250 (2-stroke or 4 stroke)....or a combination thereof.

One Championship - based on National and SX...a Grand National Championship

Nope we need cookie cutter track that have standardized jumps

(the same 3-5-4 footers, 65’ triples with the same takeoff every weekend.. etc..) that way the 80s, 65s, and all stars can all ride the same track)  

What the track designers don’t realize is by doing this the guys are all going so dam fast that they don’t have to think and as soon as the conditions are slightly different then the replica test track they wad their brains out or complain.

plus the track builders have no freedom for creativity. The tracks have to be under 50 seconds for who knows what reason (they’re timed races so it doesn’t matter). 
 

idk it’s a traveling circus.  

They were going significantly slower and jumping less distance with less height.

Honestly, it's delusional to think the jumps were harder back then....the bikes weren't as good and neither were the riders, that's why it looked harder.

No need to argue this, you can prove my point with a quick search on YouTube.

100%

But hey, there are plenty of dudes here that think they need a 450 to compete in a Vet class so I don't think the kitty cat is going back into the bag.

Does anyone else feel like they’re way the same supercross race every single weekend 

Even RC mailed it in this year at Daytona, track was almost identical to last year.

Bikes are too fast. Lowering the cc limit is the only solution. We’re already past the threshold of what the body can take. 
 

A 250f is a viable weapon against a 250 stroke. We basically doubled the engine size. Think about that. 2 strokes do not “drive” forward the way 4 strokes do.