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How many Euro top riders went home on crutches?
U.S are paying for the talent. They need to bump up the quality of racing, riders will follow the money my guy
I agree the premise that non French Europeans can't ride SX is ridiculous, but only 3 of the riders you listed are European. (Some would argue only 1)
Maybe im just supercross ignorant, but I can't think of too many riders who started in the GPs and were just an absolute nothing in Supercross. They might not have been title contenders, but I can't think of anyone who made a serious commitment to supercross and was struggling to make mains or injured all the time.
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Covington is the only one that i can think of and he was American.
Remember years ago Alessio Chiodi coming over on his Husky and getting top fives in 125 SX ? Then ironically he got injured outdoors.
Yeah it’s a very weird narrative that doesn’t hold any truth.
Notable guys that went over recently for SX are: Townley, Pourcel, Anstie, Musquin, Roczen, Ferrandis, Tonus, Hunter Lawrence (I’ll leave Jett out of it, only did EMX) and now Vialle. 6 of those won SX titles and two of them won 2 SX titles and 1 just went through his first year.
Tonus caught EBV unrelated to SX. Anstie wasn’t the top prospect he was in Europe, but he’s not exactly bad either.
Ah yes, Gajser did one MEC where he crashed. Kinda lame to base talent off of just one race though.
Covington is the only guy you could make case for. But when he returned to MXGP he was way worse than before he left.
Am I missing anyone?
Gajser did a second Monster Cup in 2019 again with at least some SX prep and did better!
The Covington one is really strange. Guy went from winning GPs on a 250 to rolling jumps in a LCQ in less than a year and he was never the same guy again after that. That was really weird to see. One hell of a talented rider, hope he is good in life anyways.
He went 7-4-4 and 5th overall in 2019.
Before the race people said he wouldn't make top 10, fight for 15th etc...
There were a few pretty handy guys before them as well - Reed, DV, Pichon, JMB. Langston won a 125SX title. Albertyn and Tortelli never really gelled with SX from what I can tell.
I listened to Lewis Phillips 2 hour interview with Herlings. He did say he was interested in coming to the US before he retired, but probably not for SX. MX, and maybe SMX if that is still a thing. Sounded like it could happen within the next couple of years. He thinks SX would be too hard, he said he was terrible in the whoops when he has been on an SX track and thinks he would crash out of the series. He also talked about the money is the US being substantially higher, but it is also clear Herlings is not hurting for cash. He owns like 60 rental houses in the Netherlands (with no mortgages). If he came it would be late in his career and mainly for "the experience". He said he would not come though unless he was still competitive and could contend for the outdoor title.
Yeah I thought it was totally fine. Obviously riders were missing n stuff, but he raced to not crash. A rider of Gajsers caliber would be a podium contender after a learning year I'm pretty sure about that. I think it was cool that he had the balls to come race it again after what happened in 2017.
1 or 2 dummy’s in a thread on Vital doesn’t exactly equate to “a lot”. This is what I don’t understand about comments like this. We will have a discussion where there will be 6 pages of conversation and 20 different participants. Of the 20, 1 or 2 trolls will show up and start shit. Meanwhile everyone else will give praise for whatever rider we’re talking about. Then 6 months down the road a drama queen will show up and make comments such as this. 🙄
Heal get over it.
Chiodi is such a badass
Acording to mx1onboard interview, Prado says that even is an option to go SX US in 2024.
Ozys not wrong and andos post proves his point to some extent.
How many of these gp riders came here and went straight to 250/450sx. Even DV rode and raced some 125sx The only 2 that I can think of since the 80's is Albee and Tortelli and both of them got hurt and suffered in SX Seb got better over the years and I would argue its harder now to just jump into 450 sx woth no experience.
Get this guy a map, hardly any of those guys you listed are European. Aussie, South American, and Japanese kids grow up exposed to supercross more than kids that grow up around the GPs. Euros focus on riding clapped out tracks in crappy weather like the GP series and they are very good at it. Most Euro kids never get to experience the premier dirt bike series in the world which is Supercross. While Americans race Mini O's, Arenacross, and if your lucky enough KTM will select your child to be a Supercross Jr racer and you get to race the event just like the pros. Every fast American kid knows they will have to ride Supercross to be pro, while fast Euro kids can just stick to riding bombed out tracks in the rain and be a good pro. Also, if you raced Loretta's as kid (like many of the people on your list), you have your sights set on racing the state side and obviously Supercross is in your future.
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The vast majority of GP riders that move to the US do so after a few seasons in MX2. The last premier class GP guy to move to the US was Tortelli.
So the reason most start SX on a 125/250F is be because they’ve never raced a 450, not because they have to learn SX on the smaller bike.
Reed was unusual because he went straight to the 250/450F class when he turned pro. He had never raced a small class bike as a pro until he was forced to “prove” himself for a year when he moved to the US.
shoot never realised japan , nz, aust,brazil costa rica, SA and MEXICO ...
WERE ALL PART OF EUROPE??
lmfao
edit : and england no longer part of the EU for your'e edification.
yep must be an aussie that doesn't travel ...(which is rare)......
or still living at home with his parents ?
There's a world outside of Vital where people discuss MX and SX you tit!
You specifically said the French were good at SX and implied no one else was…
”The French seem to do well in SX but apart from them ?”
Why does everyone act like no one has ever ridden a SX track before, people do build them outdoors in the backyard .
Tit? 😂
When you're an old fossil like me you sometimes forget that in 2023 when you make a statement, you have to qualify that statement by taking the time to spell out everything you didn't mean (otherwise people's emotions attribute meaning you never intended)
Prado is knarly on a motocross bike, Could Prado conquer AMA SX and race for #1 plates? Of course he could. To think he could move to USA and jump right into the 450 class and be a contender in year 1 is not realistic. All the top guys racing SX started out on practice tracks for a season or two then jumped into 125/250 class. Lets all be real, most of us (even old local pro's) would get taken home in an ambulance if we tried to ride a modern SX track on a 450 and put together all the sections the top pros do. An example would be Jett jumping the Quad at the SMK round and Kenny reluctantly doing it even tho he didn't want to. IT takes years of practice and experience to do this.
I would LOVE to see Prado come to USA full time. I would hate to see him miss a season (or possibly more) because he got injured.
Back to what I started with, do some research and study history! The odds are really not in favor of MXGP guys jumping right into SX with only 2 months of practice in the off-season before A1
Prado got invited to one of Spain biggest late night TV talk shows, pretty cool interview, good to see and hear him talk outside the moto media, the interview is in Spanish but there's also English subtitles generated by Google. He talks about one of his very first sponsor back when he was 10 years old racing in EMX65, it wasn't KTM, RedBull or any moto-related companies, It was a condom brand😅😅
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lmao.. considering for the past few years every one says Lawrence brothers are euro and America's geography isn't a focus within there schooling. I was more speaking of riders out side of america as "euro"...
im aware they are not European countries. ive had that argument many times on what riders are not European.
But regardless... don't know how that relates to "living with parents"? I'm 27, own my house and travel once a year.
I dont know but im my mind i think that if Prado enjoy sx he is gonna race in Paris...
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