Let Ken bye

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9/17/2023 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2023 4:36pm

Jets a puss. That was a badddddddd look.   He knew he couldn’t hang with Kenny and took the cheap way out. 

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He didn't want to get passed...

I didn't buy his excuse.

This is what I was thinking. Kenny had his foot on Jett’s neck the entire race & he was reeling him in the last couple of...

This is what I was thinking. Kenny had his foot on Jett’s neck the entire race & he was reeling him in the last couple of laps. I think Jett didn’t want to get into a battle & either get passed or go down so after thinking about it, he decided to “waive” him by so that he’d look like he was letting Kenny by for a new baby gift. 🙄
 

I bet Kenny wasn’t happy about it because he knew he could've beat Jett straight up. I don’t the think he needed/wanted Jett’s “gift.” Seems like a cop out to me.. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Flame on! 

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Props to Jett for owning his actions on the podium with no filter.  But this reminds me of 2017, when Eli slowed to mess with Dungey...

Props to Jett for owning his actions on the podium with no filter. 

But this reminds me of 2017, when Eli slowed to mess with Dungey at the final round in Vegas.

Coulda raced forward and won, chose fuckery instead. 

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Yet neither of them made anything dirty what i can remember? 

Jett moved over and stayed there. Eli literally aimed at Dungey's front wheel three times. Watch the replay on YouTube.  

That 2017 race Eli vs Dungey was a classic. Most entertaining race ever and I am glad Eli did it. It was fun to watch and a 'good' display of gamesmanship by Eli. He did nothing wrong and was not dirty at all. Didn't work out but almost did.

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Jett was the goofy 20-year-old kid Saturday in that 2nd moto. He won't do it again. Clearly, he thinks about too much while riding sometimes. That track was Kenny's domain. Perfect for him.

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Jett is very smart for back off and letting Kenny by. He risked wadding up trying to run Kenny's pace. He's developed a ton of racecraft...

Jett is very smart for back off and letting Kenny by. He risked wadding up trying to run Kenny's pace. He's developed a ton of racecraft and knows when to back it down and when not to. Last night was a great example of that

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I am pretty sure that when you are in the lead with 2.5 seconds, it’s your pace, not the rider in second place pace?

 

Nope Ken was pushing him the entire time. The broadcast didn't do Ken justice for being faster then jett. There was 2 corners in particular thay Ken was working in where he would loose 3-4 seconds then by the end of the lap he was right back pushing Jett. Once he got those 2 outsides worked in he started taking the main line for 2 laps to push jett then he let him by. Jett was gonna get passed or pushed out of the way. Jett did the smart thing and didn't risk going down or letting chase catch up because their battling  and try to latch on his rear fender.

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Jett is very smart for back off and letting Kenny by. He risked wadding up trying to run Kenny's pace. He's developed a ton of racecraft...

Jett is very smart for back off and letting Kenny by. He risked wadding up trying to run Kenny's pace. He's developed a ton of racecraft and knows when to back it down and when not to. Last night was a great example of that

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I am pretty sure that when you are in the lead with 2.5 seconds, it’s your pace, not the rider in second place pace?

 

Nope Ken was pushing him the entire time. The broadcast didn't do Ken justice for being faster then jett. There was 2 corners in particular thay...

Nope Ken was pushing him the entire time. The broadcast didn't do Ken justice for being faster then jett. There was 2 corners in particular thay Ken was working in where he would loose 3-4 seconds then by the end of the lap he was right back pushing Jett. Once he got those 2 outsides worked in he started taking the main line for 2 laps to push jett then he let him by. Jett was gonna get passed or pushed out of the way. Jett did the smart thing and didn't risk going down or letting chase catch up because their battling  and try to latch on his rear fender.

It's interesting that the laptimes didn't do Ken justice for being faster either.  Weird.

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I'll pull up some of my stats from another thread. +01.008 +04.122 +05.041 +02.448 +04.894 +03.053 +01.690 +04.377 +00.771 +05.883 +01.736 These are Jett's closest margins...

I'll pull up some of my stats from another thread.
+01.008
+04.122
+05.041
+02.448
+04.894
+03.053
+01.690
+04.377
+00.771
+05.883
+01.736

These are Jett's closest margins of victory outdoors. To say Jett couldn't "handle the pressure" after going undefeated as a rookie is hilarious. Keep doubting this kid.

Jett can very much old a lead but Kenny was going out side and hitting that double double that no one else was doing. Once he got his line worked in he was greasing it every lap and pulling right up on Jett. 
 

Jett is a young kid and made a mistake. No harm no foul but don’t be fooled. Ken had him. I haven’t seen that Kenny in a long time. 

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I always had the gut feeling that Savatgy let Tomac by so the FAN could with the $Mil, not Tomac.  Like Tomac needed the money....  But...

I always had the gut feeling that Savatgy let Tomac by so the FAN could with the $Mil, not Tomac.  Like Tomac needed the money....  But it was cool the fan for the $Mil, so I have no issue with Savatgy on that move, just for the fan's sake.

I think it was said Tomac floated him $100G's.

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Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at...

Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at straws now to make it look like Ken was the fastest rider on track.

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ando wrote:
Here’s a picture to make it simple.

Here’s a picture to make it simple.

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So do I carry the 2 when adding to the 1? 😖 😠 

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I always had the gut feeling that Savatgy let Tomac by so the FAN could with the $Mil, not Tomac.  Like Tomac needed the money....  But...

I always had the gut feeling that Savatgy let Tomac by so the FAN could with the $Mil, not Tomac.  Like Tomac needed the money....  But it was cool the fan for the $Mil, so I have no issue with Savatgy on that move, just for the fan's sake.

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I think it was said Tomac floated him $100G's.

Tomac agreed to, then backed out, saying it was illegal or something like that. Savatgy was not happy about it.

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This is what I was thinking. Kenny had his foot on Jett’s neck the entire race & he was reeling him in the last couple of...

This is what I was thinking. Kenny had his foot on Jett’s neck the entire race & he was reeling him in the last couple of laps. I think Jett didn’t want to get into a battle & either get passed or go down so after thinking about it, he decided to “waive” him by so that he’d look like he was letting Kenny by for a new baby gift. 🙄
 

I bet Kenny wasn’t happy about it because he knew he could've beat Jett straight up. I don’t the think he needed/wanted Jett’s “gift.” Seems like a cop out to me.. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Flame on! 

I have been saying it since HiPoint. Ken was the only rider to have Jets number. Jett wants to win more than he wants to be friends with Ken. He made the decision not to battle him and protect the race win. If you look deeper he also was trying to prevent Ken from knowing he had him. Jett is smart but he stunk it up with for your new baby.

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don't know why its an issue.. Jett still won? by 10 seconds in the first moto and still lead a large gap over sexton in the 2nd moto....

why is every one acting like Ken won the overall?

Watch the press conference.. Jett said he didn't make the right decision and was a dumb move. But the intentions was to let Ken win to ensure ken got second over chase to minimize chases points for the SMX title.. but none of it matters..

Its not like it was a pass for the title? Like Musquin, Grant or Savatgy has recently done. The pass made no difference points or standing wise? 

if your a person who thinks Jett was scared or couldn't handle the pressure.. your clutching at straws. the kid went pro at 16. 4 back to back titles and then 22-0 in his outdoor 450 rookie season. He has had more pressure then a second moto race that would still go on to give him the overall.

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Tomac agreed to, then backed out, saying it was illegal or something like that. Savatgy was not happy about it.

Yeah, for 100 large I would have backed out too.

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Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want to be gifted a win vs being given the opportunity to earn it. Sure if your other option is losing, you'll take the gift, but nobody in a close second thinks they are losing. Being "gifted" a win in that moment is insulting AF and every racer including Jett knows it. So your options are Jett knew he was being incredibly demeaning or Jett is incredibly stupid. I personally don't think Jett is incredibly stupid. 

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Tumic wrote:
Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at...

Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at straws now to make it look like Ken was the fastest rider on track.

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ando wrote:
Here’s a picture to make it simple.

Here’s a picture to make it simple.

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The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the hunter and Jett was the hunted. Roczen was aggressive and Jett was tentative. 

Kenny was putting a late push and Jett didn't want to fight. It's complete bullshit to say Jett was holding back to let Roczen catch up. 

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The retardation on here is real.

Jett THOUGHT he was gaining a points advantage by putting ken between himself and chase.

Ken WAS catching him and applying pressure regardless.

Jett made an unfiltered comment that is very JETT like and will prob happen again.

The only part to me that is cringe is Ken reacting and posting about it on instagram. That to me is the real bitch move.

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each thumbs down confirms the retardation

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ando wrote:
Here’s a picture to make it simple.

Here’s a picture to make it simple.

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TAUTOG wrote:
The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the...

The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the hunter and Jett was the hunted. Roczen was aggressive and Jett was tentative. 

Kenny was putting a late push and Jett didn't want to fight. It's complete bullshit to say Jett was holding back to let Roczen catch up. 

A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative.

I just presented the facts of the lap times.  

How do explain that during Ken's "late push" on lap 9, where he caught up to Jett, his lap time was the slowest he'd done for 5 laps?  How do you explain that from lap 2 to lap 8, Ken only posted a faster lap time than Jett once?  How do you explain that on laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52's and a low 1:53, then all of a sudden on lap 9 he drops 1.5 secs and does a 1:54 for no particular reason?

Ken was riding incredibly well, and there were clearly sections where he was faster.  His consistency was unreal - from lap 3 to lap 11 his lap times were with 1 second of each other.  But the cold facts are that he wasn't getting faster.

You can believe whatever your eyes told you; I'll believe the actual lap times.  You know what they say - never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

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Here’s a picture to make it simple.

Here’s a picture to make it simple.

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TAUTOG wrote:
The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the...

The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the hunter and Jett was the hunted. Roczen was aggressive and Jett was tentative. 

Kenny was putting a late push and Jett didn't want to fight. It's complete bullshit to say Jett was holding back to let Roczen catch up. 

ando wrote:
A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative. I just presented the facts of the...

A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative.

I just presented the facts of the lap times.  

How do explain that during Ken's "late push" on lap 9, where he caught up to Jett, his lap time was the slowest he'd done for 5 laps?  How do you explain that from lap 2 to lap 8, Ken only posted a faster lap time than Jett once?  How do you explain that on laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52's and a low 1:53, then all of a sudden on lap 9 he drops 1.5 secs and does a 1:54 for no particular reason?

Ken was riding incredibly well, and there were clearly sections where he was faster.  His consistency was unreal - from lap 3 to lap 11 his lap times were with 1 second of each other.  But the cold facts are that he wasn't getting faster.

You can believe whatever your eyes told you; I'll believe the actual lap times.  You know what they say - never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened.

social media said Jett couldn't handle the pressure and Ken Roczen was faster so that's the truth. Even tho lap times say else and Jett just went 22-0 as a rookie after winning 4 titles back to back. So I Agree with social. Jett hasn't dealt with pressure yet. LaughingLaughing

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The copium is through the roof for Kenny fans. Itd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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TAUTOG wrote:
The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the...

The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the hunter and Jett was the hunted. Roczen was aggressive and Jett was tentative. 

Kenny was putting a late push and Jett didn't want to fight. It's complete bullshit to say Jett was holding back to let Roczen catch up. 

ando wrote:
A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative. I just presented the facts of the...

A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative.

I just presented the facts of the lap times.  

How do explain that during Ken's "late push" on lap 9, where he caught up to Jett, his lap time was the slowest he'd done for 5 laps?  How do you explain that from lap 2 to lap 8, Ken only posted a faster lap time than Jett once?  How do you explain that on laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52's and a low 1:53, then all of a sudden on lap 9 he drops 1.5 secs and does a 1:54 for no particular reason?

Ken was riding incredibly well, and there were clearly sections where he was faster.  His consistency was unreal - from lap 3 to lap 11 his lap times were with 1 second of each other.  But the cold facts are that he wasn't getting faster.

You can believe whatever your eyes told you; I'll believe the actual lap times.  You know what they say - never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened. social media said...

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened.

social media said Jett couldn't handle the pressure and Ken Roczen was faster so that's the truth. Even tho lap times say else and Jett just went 22-0 as a rookie after winning 4 titles back to back. So I Agree with social. Jett hasn't dealt with pressure yet. LaughingLaughing

You’re right, I must have misinterpreted the whole situation…

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TAUTOG wrote:
The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the...

The argument you are trying trying to make and also narrative, is irrelevant if you watch the race. I just watched it again. Roczen was the hunter and Jett was the hunted. Roczen was aggressive and Jett was tentative. 

Kenny was putting a late push and Jett didn't want to fight. It's complete bullshit to say Jett was holding back to let Roczen catch up. 

ando wrote:
A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative. I just presented the facts of the...

A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative.

I just presented the facts of the lap times.  

How do explain that during Ken's "late push" on lap 9, where he caught up to Jett, his lap time was the slowest he'd done for 5 laps?  How do you explain that from lap 2 to lap 8, Ken only posted a faster lap time than Jett once?  How do you explain that on laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52's and a low 1:53, then all of a sudden on lap 9 he drops 1.5 secs and does a 1:54 for no particular reason?

Ken was riding incredibly well, and there were clearly sections where he was faster.  His consistency was unreal - from lap 3 to lap 11 his lap times were with 1 second of each other.  But the cold facts are that he wasn't getting faster.

You can believe whatever your eyes told you; I'll believe the actual lap times.  You know what they say - never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened. social media said...

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened.

social media said Jett couldn't handle the pressure and Ken Roczen was faster so that's the truth. Even tho lap times say else and Jett just went 22-0 as a rookie after winning 4 titles back to back. So I Agree with social. Jett hasn't dealt with pressure yet. LaughingLaughing

Go fuck yourself with thinking my opinion is swayed by "social media" 

Full stop

I watched it live.

Watch the race again 

I did

Jett was sprinting, trying to break or our last him. The 2 of them pulled a huge gap on Sexton. Kenny made a push at the end while the track was going away. 

Roczen was in forum and he wanted a fight 

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We know that catching Jett does not mean you will pass Jett. We saw that all summer. But the truth is, the only one who knows what really happened is Jett. And I am not saying what he told us is true...we just don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

Highly doubtful that he let Kenny win because he was simply afraid he was going to get passed by him.

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Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want...

Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want to be gifted a win vs being given the opportunity to earn it. Sure if your other option is losing, you'll take the gift, but nobody in a close second thinks they are losing. Being "gifted" a win in that moment is insulting AF and every racer including Jett knows it. So your options are Jett knew he was being incredibly demeaning or Jett is incredibly stupid. I personally don't think Jett is incredibly stupid. 

Jett saying he gifted the win was an obvious joke. His game plan was to put Kenny between himself and chase in the points. Great idea, poorly executed. 

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Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want...

Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want to be gifted a win vs being given the opportunity to earn it. Sure if your other option is losing, you'll take the gift, but nobody in a close second thinks they are losing. Being "gifted" a win in that moment is insulting AF and every racer including Jett knows it. So your options are Jett knew he was being incredibly demeaning or Jett is incredibly stupid. I personally don't think Jett is incredibly stupid. 

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Jett saying he gifted the win was an obvious joke. His game plan was to put Kenny between himself and chase in the points. Great idea...

Jett saying he gifted the win was an obvious joke. His game plan was to put Kenny between himself and chase in the points. Great idea, poorly executed. 

Just slow down a little and let Ken go by. Don't wave him by. That is insulting. Jett probably realizes that now.

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Does anyone think Kenny will be trying harder next week? Uhmmm...yea, I think he will. Should be good.

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Jett looking for a bit of bam bam (and not 51) next week.

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Too much backlash about nothing.

Let Jett have some Fun!

Great race betw Jett and Kenny....and not 1 mention they left Sexton in the dust. 

More of this in LA please.

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It amazes me how long it's taken for so many of you to realize how arrogant of a dude Jett is. He's been showing signs here and there of being incredibly cocky and ungrounded for years.

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ando wrote:
A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative. I just presented the facts of the...

A narrative would be trying to tell a story about the situation, using words like hunter, hunted, aggressive, tentative.

I just presented the facts of the lap times.  

How do explain that during Ken's "late push" on lap 9, where he caught up to Jett, his lap time was the slowest he'd done for 5 laps?  How do you explain that from lap 2 to lap 8, Ken only posted a faster lap time than Jett once?  How do you explain that on laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52's and a low 1:53, then all of a sudden on lap 9 he drops 1.5 secs and does a 1:54 for no particular reason?

Ken was riding incredibly well, and there were clearly sections where he was faster.  His consistency was unreal - from lap 3 to lap 11 his lap times were with 1 second of each other.  But the cold facts are that he wasn't getting faster.

You can believe whatever your eyes told you; I'll believe the actual lap times.  You know what they say - never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened. social media said...

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened.

social media said Jett couldn't handle the pressure and Ken Roczen was faster so that's the truth. Even tho lap times say else and Jett just went 22-0 as a rookie after winning 4 titles back to back. So I Agree with social. Jett hasn't dealt with pressure yet. LaughingLaughing

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Go fuck yourself with thinking my opinion is swayed by "social media"  Full stop I watched it live. Watch the race again  I did Jett was...

Go fuck yourself with thinking my opinion is swayed by "social media" 

Full stop

I watched it live.

Watch the race again 

I did

Jett was sprinting, trying to break or our last him. The 2 of them pulled a huge gap on Sexton. Kenny made a push at the end while the track was going away. 

Roczen was in forum and he wanted a fight 

Don't see the need to say "go f**k your self"... but you do you champ.

Keep watching the races. vital needs more people like you to give their opinion based on what you think and not facts. enjoy your week Smile   full stop?

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