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9/11/2023 11:24am

I'd be all in with Colt riding a GP Beta 450.  He's been on a handful of different bikes recently and would be able to adapt.  That puts Hampshire back on a 250...  Do it.  

Ty is better on the 450, but I'm sure he could rent an F&H Kawasaki 250 and shred on it.

I know JuJu is young and green, but he's already on the team that's all in, why not?

It seems like there are still options, but how hard are people working to make it happen?  This is the part that irks me...  It's like nobody is even trying.  

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Nichols signed with beta

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I know….but they are okay with him doing SMX so maybe MXdN.  tbh…and fair…Masterpool has been the best rider of the 3 I suggested anyway,  find...

I know….but they are okay with him doing SMX so maybe MXdN.  tbh…and fair…Masterpool has been the best rider of the 3 I suggested anyway,  find him a KX and we fans will get him over there.  I know there is speculation on why he hasn’t got a team clamoring over him …but what I have seen as a fan is someone who says the right stuff in interviews, works his ass off, and frankly…makes many factory riders look bad…and whiny. TY FOR USA MXdN!!!

also….does Ben Watson have a backup bike Colt could use.  He would do it with a couple days practice on the bike I bet.  Colt is not a spoiled whiny factory rider.….

…..just remembered…..Ty should have had his appendix removed 2 weeks ago…lol….okay…I give up.  I’m blaming every team and rider without a good reason,  Kawi..I expect this shit from you but Yamaha/Star/Deegan…come the fuck on.  Disappointed.  

mxb2 wrote:

Great idea, you can  get him a new kawy,  Rebates on them now. Once its over you get the bike back. 

You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell yea… If I still lived in Europe I would do it in a heartbeat for Masterpool…..but his appendix might burst before MXdN…lol. 

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Paging ML, Dark, Swap, anyone. Can you get DC and RD on video to ask the questions and see their reactions/answers? I know we are a...

Paging ML, Dark, Swap, anyone. Can you get DC and RD on video to ask the questions and see their reactions/answers? I know we are a small time but you all seem pretty intertwined in the industry so it shouldn’t be too hard to find their numbers. Just a couple questions, main one why can’t we get anyone over there to run the 1, 2, 3? Will RD still manage the team if it doesn’t have 3 super stars? If not is he willing to step down from this day forward for someone that is willing to travel to France with a B or C team? Is Star done supporting efforts for this race going forward like factory Kawi? If so, why? If not, why this year? Is there a plan in place from the start of the season for this race or do they just start winging it, say around July? Is anyone able to sign up for team USA or can it just be factory riders? I’m sure you can come up with a couple questions of your own to make the interview worth everyone’s time

It's been said many times...moto journalism is bassakwards.  There is a line they can't cross or they will never again get access.  

They could possibly turn that around if they formed a united front and refused to report anything but factual race results.  No interviews, no press releases, nothing but results.

I realize that will never happen.  It's too "dog eat dog". 

Oh well... it'll either get better...or it won't.  

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Paging ML, Dark, Swap, anyone. Can you get DC and RD on video to ask the questions and see their reactions/answers? I know we are a...

Paging ML, Dark, Swap, anyone. Can you get DC and RD on video to ask the questions and see their reactions/answers? I know we are a small time but you all seem pretty intertwined in the industry so it shouldn’t be too hard to find their numbers. Just a couple questions, main one why can’t we get anyone over there to run the 1, 2, 3? Will RD still manage the team if it doesn’t have 3 super stars? If not is he willing to step down from this day forward for someone that is willing to travel to France with a B or C team? Is Star done supporting efforts for this race going forward like factory Kawi? If so, why? If not, why this year? Is there a plan in place from the start of the season for this race or do they just start winging it, say around July? Is anyone able to sign up for team USA or can it just be factory riders? I’m sure you can come up with a couple questions of your own to make the interview worth everyone’s time

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What does DC have to do with it?

What?? He is the MX Czar in the US. He is the pulse of all things moto. What doesn’t he have to do with it?

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I know….but they are okay with him doing SMX so maybe MXdN.  tbh…and fair…Masterpool has been the best rider of the 3 I suggested anyway,  find...

I know….but they are okay with him doing SMX so maybe MXdN.  tbh…and fair…Masterpool has been the best rider of the 3 I suggested anyway,  find him a KX and we fans will get him over there.  I know there is speculation on why he hasn’t got a team clamoring over him …but what I have seen as a fan is someone who says the right stuff in interviews, works his ass off, and frankly…makes many factory riders look bad…and whiny. TY FOR USA MXdN!!!

also….does Ben Watson have a backup bike Colt could use.  He would do it with a couple days practice on the bike I bet.  Colt is not a spoiled whiny factory rider.….

…..just remembered…..Ty should have had his appendix removed 2 weeks ago…lol….okay…I give up.  I’m blaming every team and rider without a good reason,  Kawi..I expect this shit from you but Yamaha/Star/Deegan…come the fuck on.  Disappointed.  

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Great idea, you can  get him a new kawy,  Rebates on them now. Once its over you get the bike back. 

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You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell...

You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell yea… If I still lived in Europe I would do it in a heartbeat for Masterpool…..but his appendix might burst before MXdN…lol. 

For sure, you dont have to live in europe to get him a bike though

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9/11/2023 11:39am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 11:42am
Press516 wrote:
I'd be all in with Colt riding a GP Beta 450.  He's been on a handful of different bikes recently and would be able to adapt. ...

I'd be all in with Colt riding a GP Beta 450.  He's been on a handful of different bikes recently and would be able to adapt.  That puts Hampshire back on a 250...  Do it.  

Ty is better on the 450, but I'm sure he could rent an F&H Kawasaki 250 and shred on it.

I know JuJu is young and green, but he's already on the team that's all in, why not?

It seems like there are still options, but how hard are people working to make it happen?  This is the part that irks me...  It's like nobody is even trying.  

Like I said…Does Ben Watson have a backup bike/practice bike?  Beta gets exposure and Ben, Colt, and Beta all look like heros to the fans!  What great PR! …and Colt is not a pussy, like many riders seam to be over this, and he would do it I bet!
 

…and yes…if none above him will do it…JuJu.

Ty is on antibiotics to keep his appendix in check for SMX but asking 2 more weeks plus travel and MXdN is a huge risk and probably too much to ask…but I am not a doctor…nor did I stay at a Holliday Inn Express.

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9/11/2023 11:41am
yak651 wrote:

What?? He is the MX Czar in the US. He is the pulse of all things moto. What doesn’t he have to do with it?

Is he a part of the Team Selection for MXdN?

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mxb2 wrote:

Great idea, you can  get him a new kawy,  Rebates on them now. Once its over you get the bike back. 

Shred wrote:
You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell...

You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell yea… If I still lived in Europe I would do it in a heartbeat for Masterpool…..but his appendix might burst before MXdN…lol. 

mxb2 wrote:

For sure, you dont have to live in europe to get him a bike though

Yea…paying the extra 15k to bring it back….I’m not THAT supportive…lol. But if you pay for that…I’ll do the bike…but I get to keep it.

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9/11/2023 11:44am

Some people are trying to help.. 

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Shred wrote:
You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell...

You know how kick ass the graphics have been for Team USA?  To keep a bike with those graphics and had been ridden in MXdN.  Hell yea… If I still lived in Europe I would do it in a heartbeat for Masterpool…..but his appendix might burst before MXdN…lol. 

mxb2 wrote:

For sure, you dont have to live in europe to get him a bike though

Shred wrote:

Yea…paying the extra 15k to bring it back….I’m not THAT supportive…lol. But if you pay for that…I’ll do the bike…but I get to keep it.

Lol ..naw. 12k buys a new 450 fe. And i have a new bike

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9/11/2023 11:54am
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Some people are trying to help.. 

Some people are trying to help.. 

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Can it get any worse??

a porn star offering to pay to help USA get a team together. Dear help us

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9/11/2023 11:58am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 11:59am

I still believe this event is always a financial struggle for all nations.

It should be every second year, or 4 years like the Olympics, to make it special.

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yak651 wrote:

What?? He is the MX Czar in the US. He is the pulse of all things moto. What doesn’t he have to do with it?

LungButter wrote:

Is he a part of the Team Selection for MXdN?

DonM was quoting him as a source of answers so I assumed so but definitely could be wrong. Guess that can be another question for the interview. Who’s all involved with the selection process. Or sense you are implying he’s not maybe you can share how it works?

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Old+Slow51 wrote:
Some people are trying to help.. 

Some people are trying to help.. 

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Can it get any worse??

a porn star offering to pay to help USA get a team together. Dear help us

She’s offering more help than major players in the industry such as Star and Kawasaki. Good for her, maybe Karnow can go?

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My money's on the were not sending a team this year bet

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DonM was quoting him as a source of answers so I assumed so but definitely could be wrong. Guess that can be another question for the...

DonM was quoting him as a source of answers so I assumed so but definitely could be wrong. Guess that can be another question for the interview. Who’s all involved with the selection process. Or sense you are implying he’s not maybe you can share how it works?

Shit I dunno man, I didn't think he was any part of it but maybe he is?

I haven't read every reply of the 19 pages so I musta missed whatever DonM said.

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The sad thing is that it's probably going to come down to the AMA (people who organise the team), saying they refuse to go, using BS excuses about money and riders being injured etc... When there are definitely 3 riders from the USA who would line up...

The AMA (people who organise the team) just won't support them, and that, is truly pathetic

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Old+Slow51 wrote:
Some people are trying to help.. 

Some people are trying to help.. 

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Can it get any worse??

a porn star offering to pay to help USA get a team together. Dear help us

That’s funny….I think of that as a GOOD thing.  Do you not want more outside-of-the-industry sponsors?

Team USA/Fans Only!….I‘ve seen alcohol, tobacco and big oil sponsors.  What is less healthy for you and can kill you the quickest?…sex, alcohol or tobacco? Dear, thank you for Logan Karnow’s progressive marketing!

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Some of you thinking that the Deegans could just straight up tell Star, or any other riders telling their teams that they are racing on their...

Some of you thinking that the Deegans could just straight up tell Star, or any other riders telling their teams that they are racing on their own dime is laughable. Are you guys actually serious?

For those not self employed, go tell your employers that you're going to use their equipment to do something outside of what you are contracted to do but on your own dime and see what their response is. I work for a great company and even they would look at me and tell me, "the hell you are!" 

Yes, I agree it's really going to suck if we don't send a team to MXdN. At the same time, is MXdN in any of these racers contracts? If no, then it's 100% up to the team on whether these racers can go or not. They are contracted for SX, MX and SMX and anything outside of that has to be cleared by their teams.

When factory riders want to do off-season races, they don't have trouble doing them. And you must think these teams are horrific at business if you don't think they'd jump at the chance to have their name and face at an event like this on someone else's dime if that were offered. 

Deegan has leverage. It's that simple. When you're the star you don't have to own anything or put up the money because you have leverage. Stars in sports dictate all kinds of things to their much wealthier owners all the time. Riders bailing on Baker's farm.... Eli training in Colorado.... guys insisting on doing their own deal for this or that.... the best guys have the most leverage and are able to get things done that they want done. In this case he's using that leverage to get star to take the heat for him. 

It's just not plausible that Deegan wouldn't be going one way or another if he truly wanted to be going. This notion that it's just a hard no from Dictator Star when their other 250 guy went last year and set his wedding around going again this year and they've supported several efforts in the past.... it's just laughable. 

You won't find Deegan hate from me anywhere on here. Have defended him and given him credit many times. He just doesn't want to go and that's OK, but let's stop being so naive about it. 

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Matt Burkeen. We can fund him. 

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9/11/2023 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 12:36pm

For all that missed it last week. What if they are not sending a team. Hmm

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I'd be all in with Colt riding a GP Beta 450.  He's been on a handful of different bikes recently and would be able to adapt. ...

I'd be all in with Colt riding a GP Beta 450.  He's been on a handful of different bikes recently and would be able to adapt.  That puts Hampshire back on a 250...  Do it.  

Ty is better on the 450, but I'm sure he could rent an F&H Kawasaki 250 and shred on it.

I know JuJu is young and green, but he's already on the team that's all in, why not?

It seems like there are still options, but how hard are people working to make it happen?  This is the part that irks me...  It's like nobody is even trying.  

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Like I said…Does Ben Watson have a backup bike/practice bike?  Beta gets exposure and Ben, Colt, and Beta all look like heros to the fans!  What...

Like I said…Does Ben Watson have a backup bike/practice bike?  Beta gets exposure and Ben, Colt, and Beta all look like heros to the fans!  What great PR! …and Colt is not a pussy, like many riders seam to be over this, and he would do it I bet!
 

…and yes…if none above him will do it…JuJu.

Ty is on antibiotics to keep his appendix in check for SMX but asking 2 more weeks plus travel and MXdN is a huge risk and probably too much to ask…but I am not a doctor…nor did I stay at a Holliday Inn Express.

I wasn't aware of the extent of Ty's medical issue.  

So let's switch that to Marchbanks and a Gebbon Yamaha.  I'm confident the bikes would NOT be an issue if people were on the ball here.

At a point in my career about 15 years ago, I was a "fixer".  I was sent in to a location where our business was underperforming and had a short period of time to turn it around.  I was good at it.  You can't be passive...  You make phone calls, you ask questions, you make offers, if you don't immediately succeed, it's surprising how often one call leads to another and soon you've got momentum.  This guy says try that guy and so on...  Soon you've made a connection.

 

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Most of these riders are contracted to race ONLY specific events.. ANY race beyond the specific scope of the contract is based upon approval by the team. This includes MXoN, Off-Season races...etc.

These contracts also stipulate WHAT bike they can ride, where and when...etc.

Doing anything outside the scope of what the contract allows can be and almost always is considered "breach of contract". I've seen people get in trouble with this kind of thing going all the way back to Factory Kawasaki taking Larry Wosick's bikes from him...at Mammoth...I think...in the mid 80s...?

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Old+Slow51 wrote:
Some people are trying to help.. 

Some people are trying to help.. 

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Can it get any worse??

a porn star offering to pay to help USA get a team together. Dear help us

That’s about as American as it gets.  What’s the problem?

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I would absolutely take a full on shit show with effort...  Over no effort at all.

 

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Old+Slow51 wrote:
Some people are trying to help.. 

Some people are trying to help.. 

IMG 6400 0.jpeg?VersionId=YMD6b

Can it get any worse??

a porn star offering to pay to help USA get a team together. Dear help us

Motoxdoc wrote:
That’s funny….I think of that as a GOOD thing.  Do you not want more outside-of-the-industry sponsors? Team USA/Fans Only!….I‘ve seen alcohol, tobacco and big oil sponsors...

That’s funny….I think of that as a GOOD thing.  Do you not want more outside-of-the-industry sponsors?

Team USA/Fans Only!….I‘ve seen alcohol, tobacco and big oil sponsors.  What is less healthy for you and can kill you the quickest?…sex, alcohol or tobacco? Dear, thank you for Logan Karnow’s progressive marketing!

They've got me completely agreeing with Moto-X-Doc?!

Geeeeezus! What's next?

Well, I'll tell ya what's next: Human Sacrifice! Cats and Dogs living together! MASS HYSTERIA!

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So let me get this straight I showed the facts that is being reported by DC (and many others) and you're going with a rumor as...

So let me get this straight I showed the facts that is being reported by DC (and many others) and you're going with a rumor as fact....and I'm a "retard" (your word not mine) and a fool...."Just When I Think You Couldn’t Possibly Be Any Dumber..."

Why did Justin Cooper move his wedding date to be free for the original MXoN date?  If Star was absolutely not supporting any riders going then why bother shifting his wedding around?

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Why did Justin Cooper move his wedding date to be free for the original MXoN date?  If Star was absolutely not supporting any riders going then...

Why did Justin Cooper move his wedding date to be free for the original MXoN date?  If Star was absolutely not supporting any riders going then why bother shifting his wedding around?

 Maybe something changed between then and now with how Star feels?

Maybe their budget changed?

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Its ok, Team Canada will carry the North American torch this year, we got this!

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Why did Justin Cooper move his wedding date to be free for the original MXoN date?  If Star was absolutely not supporting any riders going then...

Why did Justin Cooper move his wedding date to be free for the original MXoN date?  If Star was absolutely not supporting any riders going then why bother shifting his wedding around?

LungButter wrote:

 Maybe something changed between then and now with how Star feels?

Maybe their budget changed?

Maybe.

But why was Ferrandis making such a big deal about not being selected for France if Star was absolutely not sending any riders?

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