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ML512 9/8/2023 10:14pm
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GateDropGoGo wrote:
Weege says he's been riding the bike for months....lookout!! I'm curious to see if he runs the GYRT hydraulic clutch unit, or goes with the old...

Weege says he's been riding the bike for months....lookout!!

I'm curious to see if he runs the GYRT hydraulic clutch unit, or goes with the old school cable like ET does....

aeffertz wrote:
I'd be shocked if he went back to a cable clutch after years on a hydro. Eli was always on a cable and hated when he...

I'd be shocked if he went back to a cable clutch after years on a hydro. Eli was always on a cable and hated when he had to switch to hydro when Kawi switched.

Webb was on cable today.

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Thisusernameisavailable 9/8/2023 11:24pm
9/8/2023 11:24pm

It all sounds great. 
 

But I can’t help feel the problems with KTM were simply boredom. 
 

He’ll be better on this YZ, until he gets bored again. I suspect that will be outdoors ‘24. 

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aeffertz wrote:
Here's the Matthes interview with Webb that came out today: https://pulpmx.com/podcast/guest-cooper-webb-3/ Also Matthes' 'Renthal Reaction' pod where he talks a little bit more about his conversation...

Here's the Matthes interview with Webb that came out today: https://pulpmx.com/podcast/guest-cooper-webb-3/
Also Matthes' 'Renthal Reaction' pod where he talks a little bit more about his conversation with Webb: https://pulpmx.com/podcast/renthal-reaction-cooper-webb-back-to-star-ya…


Pretty crazy KTM basically told him he can't keep running the setup that he put together to feel comfortable and was putting him on the podium outdoors without much prep, only for him to crash testing the stuff they wanted him to run again. Then Roger/the team benching him and paying him to sit out the rest of the summer. That team does not seem like a fun one to be on at all, especially if you're forced to work with Aldon and you'd prefer not to. Also interesting to hear that the newest gen KTM feels more rigid than the aluminum framed bikes now.

Magoofan wrote:

Wow....that is messed up on KTMs part.       Sounds just as bad as the  Kawasaki environment. 

Just speculating!!!

What if it was kind of the same with Ferrandis at Star?

After some nagging, ”give him whatever setup, he is soon out anyway”

Gets production based shock / spring forks and all of a sudden, a flash of the 2021 MX Ferrandis…

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/ferrandis-yzf-mystery-part

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He gonn win this weekend

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jonesaustin 9/9/2023 4:36am
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as much as James Stewart looked completely wrong on Yamaha, Cooper Webb just completely at home. some brands just work with some riders and Cooper Webb was never KTM imo. Watch his results improve with this move.

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ButteryWaffles 9/9/2023 5:11am
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Webb and Deegan riding and training together, we're going to have two stubborn bulldogs out on the track for the next few years. Bring it on! 

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Chris_Buehler wrote:
I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about...

I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about the best of the best. RV, Tomac, Webb. How's the team think they know better then them?

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked with engineers?

Back in the day I worked with a snocross team- had a certain rider who would come off the track and tell us he needed “xyz” done with his front/rear shocks/susp…whatever…So we would pretend to change the shock(s) / susp setting to exactly what he claimed he wanted and send him back out. He would come off the track and say that feels perfect/much better. 

Same exact settings, but one sucked and the other perfect. 

Point is- huge mental part to it. If someone thinks their setup is great they will ride better..

Maybe KTM was looking at data and knew a different setting (if he could get used to it) would be much better..

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Chris_Buehler wrote:
I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about...

I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about the best of the best. RV, Tomac, Webb. How's the team think they know better then them?

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked with engineers?

Brad460 wrote:
Back in the day I worked with a snocross team- had a certain rider who would come off the track and tell us he needed “xyz”...

Back in the day I worked with a snocross team- had a certain rider who would come off the track and tell us he needed “xyz” done with his front/rear shocks/susp…whatever…So we would pretend to change the shock(s) / susp setting to exactly what he claimed he wanted and send him back out. He would come off the track and say that feels perfect/much better. 

Same exact settings, but one sucked and the other perfect. 

Point is- huge mental part to it. If someone thinks their setup is great they will ride better..

Maybe KTM was looking at data and knew a different setting (if he could get used to it) would be much better..

Ahh. We have found the engineer. 

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jonesaustin wrote:
as much as James Stewart looked completely wrong on Yamaha, Cooper Webb just completely at home. some brands just work with some riders and Cooper Webb...

as much as James Stewart looked completely wrong on Yamaha, Cooper Webb just completely at home. some brands just work with some riders and Cooper Webb was never KTM imo. Watch his results improve with this move.

As a Yamaha guy myself, nah mate. The dude won two titles on the KTM and looked way better than the legit blue pig. Fast forward now? I’m an intrigued to watch but these races do not compare to SX so it should be fun. 

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MxAddic wrote:

You wait until the day before the race to announce? I don't see the Yamaha being a cornercross machine but maybe I am wrong.

DonM wrote:

Ya think that maybe part of the release negotiated with KTM wouldn’t allow them to announce until today….nah that would make too much sense….

theOGrenthalPaul wrote:

How dare you bring logic into this forum! 😠

What is logical about waiting to the day before the race?

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mx4 9/9/2023 7:15pm
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Webb started his 450 career on Yamaha and it was not good. Then KTM changed his whole career with 2 SX championships… I guess we will see what the future holds 

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theOGrenthalPaul 9/9/2023 7:30pm
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DonM wrote:

Ya think that maybe part of the release negotiated with KTM wouldn’t allow them to announce until today….nah that would make too much sense….

theOGrenthalPaul wrote:

How dare you bring logic into this forum! 😠

MxAddic wrote:

What is logical about waiting to the day before the race?

I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his long form interview during the broadcast. It was logical because if he/Star had said anything sooner, it would have been a breach of contract. 

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just finished watching todays race … looked about the same as he did on the KTM. 

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Hcallz5 9/9/2023 8:14pm
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Decent ride though on an oddball track and his first race. Hell even Jett was caught off guard in moto 1. Plus I'm sure Star racing will give Webb what he wants rather then "whatever KTM comes up with out back in the WP shed"

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HonDawg17 wrote:

The "CHAMP" is back??? Dude is 3 years removed from a championship...

edit: He literally left Yamaha and then won 450 titles on a different bike.

8tensolutions wrote:

Yeah.....but that was a team with a very poor philosophy....and a different motorcycle

HonDawg17 wrote:
Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as...

Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as strict.

Which is fukn dumb to have a bunch of desk jockey’s or graduated wheel changers telling an elite level rider the his feelings, wants, or needs on the motorcycle are “wrong”. So asinine!

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8tensolutions wrote:

Yeah.....but that was a team with a very poor philosophy....and a different motorcycle

HonDawg17 wrote:
Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as...

Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as strict.

brocster wrote:
Which is fukn dumb to have a bunch of desk jockey’s or graduated wheel changers telling an elite level rider the his feelings, wants, or needs...

Which is fukn dumb to have a bunch of desk jockey’s or graduated wheel changers telling an elite level rider the his feelings, wants, or needs on the motorcycle are “wrong”. So asinine!

The whole “telling the riders they’re wrong” thing comes from years of data but what these uptight teams aren’t realizing is every rider is different and regardless of the data, a setting that didn’t work in the past may work for this particular rider now.

I believe it was Jeremy Coker from Star Racing who said; “We’ll try anything the rider asks for and I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong, but I will tell them I told you so.” 

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HonDawg17 wrote:
Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as...

Agreed. Factory Yamaha was far too corporate and "by the book" about the changes to their bike for each rider. Kawasaki sounds like they're just as strict.

brocster wrote:
Which is fukn dumb to have a bunch of desk jockey’s or graduated wheel changers telling an elite level rider the his feelings, wants, or needs...

Which is fukn dumb to have a bunch of desk jockey’s or graduated wheel changers telling an elite level rider the his feelings, wants, or needs on the motorcycle are “wrong”. So asinine!

theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
The whole “telling the riders they’re wrong” thing comes from years of data but what these uptight teams aren’t realizing is every rider is different and...

The whole “telling the riders they’re wrong” thing comes from years of data but what these uptight teams aren’t realizing is every rider is different and regardless of the data, a setting that didn’t work in the past may work for this particular rider now.

I believe it was Jeremy Coker from Star Racing who said; “We’ll try anything the rider asks for and I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong, but I will tell them I told you so.” 

Correct. Data does jack shit when there is no data link to be accurately measured between rider and bike other than his feelings and translation there of. It’s the teams job to give the rider what he wants and not the other way around. Riders are different, risk analysis, and risk assessments are different.  Make them comfortable, it’s your job if indeed you want the best outcome. 

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bents 9/9/2023 9:49pm
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After today, reality has set in.  Coop has some work to do to get up front.

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SoCalMX70 9/9/2023 9:53pm
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He looks 10lbs over weight. Going to assume his goal is to be in shape by Anaheim.

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SoCalMX70 wrote:

He looks 10lbs over weight. Going to assume his goal is to be in shape by Anaheim.

That just big fat paycheck. 

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Chris_Buehler 9/10/2023 5:17am
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about...

I can't understand a team not giving the rider what they want out of their bike. It's like it's a common occurrence too. We're talking about the best of the best. RV, Tomac, Webb. How's the team think they know better then them?

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked with engineers?

Lmao! Yup. You just broke that down so perfectly. 

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SoCalMX70 wrote:

He looks 10lbs over weight. Going to assume his goal is to be in shape by Anaheim.

Best off…I mean race season ever…yeah if this was his redemption he failed to show it when he was side by side with AP

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ButteryWaffles wrote:

Webb and Deegan riding and training together, we're going to have two stubborn bulldogs out on the track for the next few years. Bring it on! 

One guy is done, the other is ready.

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OrangeJuice158 9/10/2023 6:29am
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jonesaustin wrote:
as much as James Stewart looked completely wrong on Yamaha, Cooper Webb just completely at home. some brands just work with some riders and Cooper Webb...

as much as James Stewart looked completely wrong on Yamaha, Cooper Webb just completely at home. some brands just work with some riders and Cooper Webb was never KTM imo. Watch his results improve with this move.

Was this sarcasm?

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bvm111 9/10/2023 6:31am
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there are two sides to every story and remember KTM allowed him to vacate his contract early to go back to STAR. My spidey senses say that there is more here than KTM dictating to him a setting and saying, “ tough you have to stick with this.” 

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MxAddic 9/10/2023 6:45am
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theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his...

I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his long form interview during the broadcast. It was logical because if he/Star had said anything sooner, it would have been a breach of contract. 

Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was in his parting agreement. I just don't see the benefit to KTM. Was it because they didn't want folks to know he had another deal before he walked? Was it because KTM was still paying him to ride a Yamaha? As you can now see it is indeed a valid discussion regardless if you think so or not. IN your infinite wisdom please tell vital why.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

"something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason"

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theOGrenthalPaul 9/10/2023 6:55am
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theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his...

I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his long form interview during the broadcast. It was logical because if he/Star had said anything sooner, it would have been a breach of contract. 

MxAddic wrote:
Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was...

Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was in his parting agreement. I just don't see the benefit to KTM. Was it because they didn't want folks to know he had another deal before he walked? Was it because KTM was still paying him to ride a Yamaha? As you can now see it is indeed a valid discussion regardless if you think so or not. IN your infinite wisdom please tell vital why.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

"something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason"

I was just answering your question but like I said in my previous comment, Webb addressed this in his sit down interview on the broadcast. They came to an agreement that they would release him early so he can jump on the Yamaha to get enough testing time in but the terms of the agreement were that no party involved can say anything until the date it was announced. At the end of the day though, does any of that really matter? He switched teams, all parties involved are happy with the situation. Cool to see Coop on blue again to (most likely), finish out his career. 

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MxAddic 9/10/2023 7:13am
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theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his...

I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion but it was part of their negotiation/deal. Webb explained it a bit more in his long form interview during the broadcast. It was logical because if he/Star had said anything sooner, it would have been a breach of contract. 

MxAddic wrote:
Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was...

Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was in his parting agreement. I just don't see the benefit to KTM. Was it because they didn't want folks to know he had another deal before he walked? Was it because KTM was still paying him to ride a Yamaha? As you can now see it is indeed a valid discussion regardless if you think so or not. IN your infinite wisdom please tell vital why.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

"something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason"

theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
I was just answering your question but like I said in my previous comment, Webb addressed this in his sit down interview on the broadcast. They...

I was just answering your question but like I said in my previous comment, Webb addressed this in his sit down interview on the broadcast. They came to an agreement that they would release him early so he can jump on the Yamaha to get enough testing time in but the terms of the agreement were that no party involved can say anything until the date it was announced. At the end of the day though, does any of that really matter? He switched teams, all parties involved are happy with the situation. Cool to see Coop on blue again to (most likely), finish out his career. 

If you where just answering my question you would have not included this part.

"I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion"

or this part...

"How dare you bring logic into this forum! "

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theOGrenthalPaul 9/10/2023 7:26am
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MxAddic wrote:
Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was...

Then why are you discussing it other than to try and browbeat me like Don and make me look stupid? I am well aware it was in his parting agreement. I just don't see the benefit to KTM. Was it because they didn't want folks to know he had another deal before he walked? Was it because KTM was still paying him to ride a Yamaha? As you can now see it is indeed a valid discussion regardless if you think so or not. IN your infinite wisdom please tell vital why.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

"something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason"

theOGrenthalPaul wrote:
I was just answering your question but like I said in my previous comment, Webb addressed this in his sit down interview on the broadcast. They...

I was just answering your question but like I said in my previous comment, Webb addressed this in his sit down interview on the broadcast. They came to an agreement that they would release him early so he can jump on the Yamaha to get enough testing time in but the terms of the agreement were that no party involved can say anything until the date it was announced. At the end of the day though, does any of that really matter? He switched teams, all parties involved are happy with the situation. Cool to see Coop on blue again to (most likely), finish out his career. 

MxAddic wrote:
If you where just answering my question you would have not included this part. "I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion" or...

If you where just answering my question you would have not included this part.

"I don’t know why this is even a topic of discussion"

or this part...

"How dare you bring logic into this forum! "

You’re upset, I get it. I was joking at first with the logic comment and truly don’t think it matters how/why they waited so long to announce. I provided information for you to find out what happened with this deal, you presumably did not look it up so I then explained it. Im sorry I hurt your feelings <3 

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Zycki11 9/10/2023 8:44am
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I have said it before but my personal opinion is that Webb simply doesn't have the speed to compete.  Things have evolved and he is not evolving with them imo. Before he could play the fox games with Kenny and Eli but now... it is different when people can blow by you. I see him 3-7 guy this coming year. 

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