Triumph,Wtf are you doing?..

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Magoofan 8/30/2023 2:14pm
8/30/2023 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2023 5:54pm
#434 wrote:

Bro, they buy an engine from another manufacturer! What does that say about their engine-ering?

colintrax wrote:
We don't know Triumph is using a 22 KTM engine. They're certainly buying some parts from whoever made them for KTM (like the clutch cover as...

We don't know Triumph is using a 22 KTM engine. They're certainly buying some parts from whoever made them for KTM (like the clutch cover as I pointed out) but that means absolutely nothing as far as the crankshaft, pistons, cams, gear ratios, combustion chamber, head ports, Ignition, etc

BigIron wrote:
I don't see how anyone can look at these two covers and think they are the same part.  It isn't odd the engine has a head...

I don't see how anyone can look at these two covers and think they are the same part.  It isn't odd the engine has a head, cylinder, crankcase, clutch cover, etc.  That doesn't mean KTM or one of it's affiliates manufactured it.

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You're trying to reason with Varg-boy....he's fried his "ecm" after wiring his nads to a battery during an auto-erotic asphyxia/Anton Wass fantasy.  

 

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ksithumper 8/30/2023 2:16pm
8/30/2023 2:16pm
#434 wrote:

Bro, they buy an engine from another manufacturer! What does that say about their engine-ering?

This statement is simply untrue.

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Richard Tease II 8/30/2023 2:16pm
8/30/2023 2:16pm
BigIron wrote:
I don't see how anyone can look at these two covers and think they are the same part.  It isn't odd the engine has a head...

I don't see how anyone can look at these two covers and think they are the same part.  It isn't odd the engine has a head, cylinder, crankcase, clutch cover, etc.  That doesn't mean KTM or one of it's affiliates manufactured it.

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Dirty Points wrote:
The general visual comparison is not to that KTM, but the previous generation:

The general visual comparison is not to that KTM, but the previous generation:

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BigIron wrote:
Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

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People see the diagonal ribs and assume it’s the same.

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#434 8/30/2023 2:39pm
8/30/2023 2:39pm
#434 wrote:

Bro, they buy an engine from another manufacturer! What does that say about their engine-ering?

ksithumper wrote:

This statement is simply untrue.

I thought that video in the other thread clearly showed that the engine is produced by an Asian manufacturer.

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#434 8/30/2023 2:42pm
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Magoofan wrote:

You're trying to reason with Varg-boy....he's fried his "ecm" after wiring his nads to a battery during an auto-erotic asphyxia/Anton Wass fantasy.  

 

Puh, your comebacks used to be better old man…

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Last2Stroke 8/30/2023 4:09pm
8/30/2023 4:09pm
#434 wrote:

Bro, they buy an engine from another manufacturer! What does that say about their engine-ering?

ksithumper wrote:

This statement is simply untrue.

#434 wrote:
I thought that video in the other thread clearly showed that the engine is produced by an Asian manufacturer.

I thought that video in the other thread clearly showed that the engine is produced by an Asian manufacturer.

The video showed a Chinese company has copied the KTM, Triumph's video has also showed they have copied the KTM, layout looks identical, but details may be different.

It's expensive to design a motor from scratch, cheaper to start from a known design and increment from there.

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colintrax 8/30/2023 4:55pm
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BigIron wrote:
Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

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Someone else literally put the covers over eachother and the bolt holes line up.

 

Keep up

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Hcallz5 8/30/2023 5:13pm
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They ought to just get Yamaha engine and suspension, KTM steel frame, Suzuki seat.

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Dirty Points 8/30/2023 5:20pm
8/30/2023 5:20pm
Hcallz5 wrote:

They ought to just get Yamaha engine and suspension, KTM steel frame, Suzuki seat.

It will have the KYB suspension

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mx4 8/30/2023 6:47pm
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Seriously, is anyone going to buy a Triumph?

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Last2Stroke 8/30/2023 6:55pm
8/30/2023 6:55pm
mx4 wrote:

Seriously, is anyone going to buy a Triumph?

That's the best question posted so far!

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TalinH112 8/30/2023 7:08pm
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mx4 wrote:

Seriously, is anyone going to buy a Triumph?

Nah. 

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bigk218 8/30/2023 7:22pm
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Camp332 wrote:
Agreed. I'm at the point now that when they finally show the bike we will be like: "damn that's it?, that was what all the hype...

Agreed. I'm at the point now that when they finally show the bike we will be like: "damn that's it?, that was what all the hype was for?"

snillum wrote:

For conversation sake, what will need to be on the bike for you to NOT say "damn, that's it"?

A turbo and bold new graphics 

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Last2Stroke 8/30/2023 7:36pm
8/30/2023 7:36pm
Camp332 wrote:
Agreed. I'm at the point now that when they finally show the bike we will be like: "damn that's it?, that was what all the hype...

Agreed. I'm at the point now that when they finally show the bike we will be like: "damn that's it?, that was what all the hype was for?"

snillum wrote:

For conversation sake, what will need to be on the bike for you to NOT say "damn, that's it"?

bigk218 wrote:

A turbo and bold new graphics 

Turbos aren't legal, bold new graphics are legal!

HarrowDrag 8/30/2023 9:52pm
8/30/2023 9:52pm

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We can go all night if you like?

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OrangeJuice158 8/30/2023 10:17pm
8/30/2023 10:17pm
snillum wrote:

For conversation sake, what will need to be on the bike for you to NOT say "damn, that's it"?

bigk218 wrote:

A turbo and bold new graphics 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Turbos aren't legal, bold new graphics are legal!

Not only are they legal, they are encouraged. 

Last2Stroke 8/30/2023 10:30pm
8/30/2023 10:30pm
bigk218 wrote:

A turbo and bold new graphics 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Turbos aren't legal, bold new graphics are legal!

OrangeJuice158 wrote:

Not only are they legal, they are encouraged. 

Suzuki has been investing in bold new graphics for many years, and saving money on other improvements.

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PTshox 8/30/2023 10:45pm
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Sadly- they have miffed their marking efforts imo. Lame imo. Just release it..."here is what we have"... here is some content of why we got here.. the decision making process. Nuff said...Cool. Reasonable. 

What they are doing.. is bs in my opinion. RC going along with it.. shameless in my opinion. He should think about what he's "signing on to" do. IMO. 

One thing gives me hope it could be a very good bike. Dave Arnold's  input. Other then that... Stupid imo. Lame.. very very lame. Spit it out. But that's just my opinion. 

 

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Pop Shmoke 8/30/2023 11:59pm
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HarrowDrag wrote:
  We can go all night if you like?

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We can go all night if you like?

Hopefully the mods don’t delete these, they are confirmed real.

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#434 8/31/2023 1:13am
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I like the look of the bike! Nice lines, sleek frame and swingarm. 

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RACING 8/31/2023 2:31am
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Not an ounce of personality/creativity in any way.

The overall design looks straight out of Austria.

Truly disappointing.

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tek14 8/31/2023 2:45am
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After their own hype was waiting something new.. still waiting and looks 2018 KTM with just Alum frame. If they had look what Stark has done maybe they could have stole couple ideas from there and bring it to 2024. 

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snillum 8/31/2023 6:08am
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Is this a hidden camera in someone tie or button on their shirt or something? How is the picture quality so bad? 

It would be cool if this is all a big curve ball. Make us think its a relatively close copy of KTM then BAM! Finally release it with something wildly new and badass that wasn't a KTM clone. 

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TalinH112 8/31/2023 6:31am
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HarrowDrag wrote:
  We can go all night if you like?

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We can go all night if you like?

That’s a black Gas Gas 😂

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HarrowDrag 8/31/2023 6:32am
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snillum wrote:
Is this a hidden camera in someone tie or button on their shirt or something? How is the picture quality so bad?  It would be cool...

Is this a hidden camera in someone tie or button on their shirt or something? How is the picture quality so bad? 

It would be cool if this is all a big curve ball. Make us think its a relatively close copy of KTM then BAM! Finally release it with something wildly new and badass that wasn't a KTM clone. 

Absolutely a hidden camera.

Stuffed inside a potato 🥔 

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H.E.penyypacker432 8/31/2023 6:34am
8/31/2023 6:34am

I don’t understand why some of you want to hate so bad? We get a new bike to chose from how is that a bad thing?

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BigIron 8/31/2023 6:47am
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BigIron wrote:
Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

Design queues, maybe.  Still not the same.

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colintrax wrote:

Someone else literally put the covers over eachother and the bolt holes line up.

 

Keep up

Literally no one outside of Triumph's development group has seen the engine in real life.  Please tell us another whopper.

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rivvs 8/31/2023 6:50am
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Honestly you must be blind to not see that the engine is basically a ktm engine. The blot line up etc. They just changed the valve cover/ clutch cover. They probably bought the right to the old ktm engine and they are built by zongshen in China. Zongshen however decided to release the ktm engine without changing the cover as you see in the Russian video that was posted. And finally the Chinese company Koshine has bought the right to the carburated 2 stroke ktm. The are selling the 125,150, 250 and even a 300cc 2 stroke ktm clone. I talked to the company and every ktm parts for to these engine.

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Concealed camera.

Meanwhile in the background of the last pic there's two guy with phones out in the open. Laughing

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H.E.penyypacker432 8/31/2023 7:06am
8/31/2023 7:06am
rivvs wrote:
Honestly you must be blind to not see that the engine is basically a ktm engine. The blot line up etc. They just changed the valve...

Honestly you must be blind to not see that the engine is basically a ktm engine. The blot line up etc. They just changed the valve cover/ clutch cover. They probably bought the right to the old ktm engine and they are built by zongshen in China. Zongshen however decided to release the ktm engine without changing the cover as you see in the Russian video that was posted. And finally the Chinese company Koshine has bought the right to the carburated 2 stroke ktm. The are selling the 125,150, 250 and even a 300cc 2 stroke ktm clone. I talked to the company and every ktm parts for to these engine.

You talked to the whole company? 

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