Statement Regarding Rumors and Current Condition of 2023 World Supercross Series

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8/24/2023 1:58pm

To all those bemoaning the loss of income for the riders.... it was never there.... it was never real..... this was always going to be the outcome and they got duped. How many times are people going to fall for this in this sport? Would love to know how much money has actually made its way into Kenny's bank account. You think it's more or less than he would have made consistently being on the podium this summer?

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8/24/2023 2:07pm

What are the rumors?

There is literally a link at the top of this thread that explains everything....

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8/24/2023 2:11pm

This seems awfully similar to the demise of the WSX series that was attempted in the early 90's. Does anyone remember that, or am I imagining it? 

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8/24/2023 2:17pm

Man the success rate for Supercross outside of the US series, Paris, Geneva and Australia is near zero.  Even Summercross and the McGrath Invitational were a bust.  It's kind of amazing to be honest given the popularity of the US series. 

I admire their effort (except for Vancouver; after being there with RC and Reed in '05 with about 3,500 other people that was just a dumb round to plan).  

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Maybe, just maybe they should have spent a little more time planning before they tried to rush this thing into existence. Its a shame because they...

Maybe, just maybe they should have spent a little more time planning before they tried to rush this thing into existence. Its a shame because they had some decent ideas and it was another source of income for a lot of riders....

Cue the Cannondale mx400 reference...

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8/24/2023 6:50pm
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I though saying nothing was bad , a press release saying nothing is even worse 

100%, saying there isn’t a problem is acknowledging the possibility that there is a problem. 

Celebrity Couple: "We've never been happier in our marriage!"

2 weeks later

TMZ: "In shocking news, Celebrity Couple has filed for divorce."

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8/30/2023 11:21am

Did WSX release anything else about the series? Alot of hype for the start of SMX right now, not much for second round of WSX.

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8/30/2023 11:25am

What second round?

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RACING wrote:

What second round?

That's what we want to know haha!

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8/30/2023 11:41am Edited Date/Time 8/30/2023 11:43am
RACING wrote:

What second round?

Due to budgetary cutbacks, the program has changed.

 

 

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RACING wrote:

What second round?

early wrote:

That's what we want to know haha!

Is it the former third, the former fourth, the former fifth or the former sixth? 

Wink

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8/30/2023 12:52pm

The only thing that was clear to me in that video was if ML ever needed to lose a few lbs real quick, he just needs to shave his arms. 

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8/30/2023 1:54pm
vet323 wrote:
This seems awfully similar to the demise of the WSX series that was attempted in the early 90's. Does anyone remember that, or am I imagining...

This seems awfully similar to the demise of the WSX series that was attempted in the early 90's. Does anyone remember that, or am I imagining it? 

Are you talking about the JAM sports and FIM SX stuff?  That was different, in a way since it and the AMA series ended up merging and that was why the US supercross series had the FIM involved and a separate world championship with the canadian rounds for a while .   I doubt they would end up merging again.  I can not remember exactly why they merged the 2 back then, maybe it was a money thing like  WSX.  I was hoping that WSX would keep growing and it sounded like  great concept. Hopefully they can figure it out.  It helped make the US series payouts better and the SMX races  are an interesting addition that may have never happened.   

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8/30/2023 8:31pm

This situation (for some of the racers) reminds me of the guy who tells his boss to F-off because he thinks he’s won the lottery, only to find out it was last week’s ticket and have to go back to work…

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Has SX Global shared their "significant news soon regarding the 2023 racing schedule" yet?

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Has SX Global shared their "significant news soon regarding the 2023 racing schedule" yet?

No, and the Canadian round is likely cancelled. 

Our series was supposed to have a race on the same day, and it's no longer listed on the schedule.

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WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

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Tried to get some updates this morning, but two of the teams I spoke to didn't know anything new, yet.

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yak651 wrote:

WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

According to Bailey, that seemed to be the plan for 2024.

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9/1/2023 8:12am
ML512 wrote:

Tried to get some updates this morning, but two of the teams I spoke to didn't know anything new, yet.

You would think with the next round being four weeks from tomorrow they would need to figure something out soon right?

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9/1/2023 8:17am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2023 8:18am
yak651 wrote:

WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching because it’s the only racing on. Trying to compete when 2 other series are racing at the same time makes no sense, if somebody tried to watch the entire ama races, mxgp, and then wsx it would take the entire weekend to watch, so ppl had to choose and they’re going to choose the one they already watch. 
 

On top of that when they had the off season rounds tons of top guys showed up.  You need big names to get ppl interested. Racing in the off season solves the 2 biggest problems, not competing against other races, and having top talent racing. If these races were the end of October to the end of December you’d have no other racing to watch but this, and it would have the big name guys so everybody would watch. 

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9/1/2023 8:23am
yak651 wrote:

WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching...

Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching because it’s the only racing on. Trying to compete when 2 other series are racing at the same time makes no sense, if somebody tried to watch the entire ama races, mxgp, and then wsx it would take the entire weekend to watch, so ppl had to choose and they’re going to choose the one they already watch. 
 

On top of that when they had the off season rounds tons of top guys showed up.  You need big names to get ppl interested. Racing in the off season solves the 2 biggest problems, not competing against other races, and having top talent racing. If these races were the end of October to the end of December you’d have no other racing to watch but this, and it would have the big name guys so everybody would watch. 

You say literally everyone but when I mentioned this last year when the series schedule was announced, I was BASHED. Someone even said something of the line of “ I can tell your from USA and Not wanting a competing series”. I said I’d love a series in the off-season but was also bashed for that and told it could work. Some of those same people(not implying you) are saying how they knew the series would fail. 

9/1/2023 8:33am

FIM/WSX FAILING BUSINESS MODEL (former racer perspective)

-Split from AMA/Feld Entertainment

-Create a directly competing supercross series to rival the AMA Supercross series out of spite

-Call it the sole "World Supercross” championship because FIM says they are the only ones who can self-proclaim “World” status on championships

-Make a schedule that directly competes against the timelines of YOUR OWN MXGP Championship, AND the AMA Motocross Championship

-Hype the venues before you even have funding or infrastructure to run the events

-Claim highest purse payout in SX History, without having any top riders lined up for the series

-Make a Pilot Series of 5 Rounds to get the hype started for the next year’s official series

-Pay 2 top riders $250K each per race they attend

-Cancel rounds 3-5, after the first round is held, due to no funds, low attendance/viewings, and investors backing out

-Crown a “wOrLd cHaMpIoN” after only 2 races

-Paid out $750K for 2 top riders over 2 rounds:

                            -Roczen attended 2 rounds costing FIM/WSX $500k

                            -Tomac only attended the first round costing FIM/WSX $250K

-Claim it will be better in 2023

-Announce the series will be 6 rounds starting in July 2023

-Use the same business plan you used for the failed Pilot Series in ‘22

-Hype up the defending “wOrLd cHaMpIoN” will attend the series

-Cancel Round 2 before Round 1 even starts

-Run Round 1 with less fan attendance, less views, less top riders, and much less hype for the series than expected

-Put schedule on hold for further evaluation, but with the intent to still run races on existing dates

-Claim you’ve found more funding to hold races

-Hold a press release to tell fans they’ve had to cancel some rounds and replace them with different venues, but we won’t say what those are just yet

-Be very vague in the Press Release about what is actually happening

 

Did I miss anything?

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9/1/2023 8:56am

If WSX does go under do you think SMX continues to have the elevated rider pay? SMX would have no competition for the riders to races their series. I know SMX says this massive bump in rider payouts were in their plans all along but really?

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 Breaking  news!  This just in… Free riding lessons for Riders of World Supercross series at Moto Academy GPF! Engine services will be handled by Varner ….Bonus track time for owners of Stark Vargs! How am I doing? 

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9/1/2023 9:08am
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If WSX does go under do you think SMX continues to have the elevated rider pay? SMX would have no competition for the riders to races...

If WSX does go under do you think SMX continues to have the elevated rider pay? SMX would have no competition for the riders to races their series. I know SMX says this massive bump in rider payouts were in their plans all along but really?

I think they will. 

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 Breaking  news!  This just in… Free riding lessons for Riders of World Supercross series at Moto Academy GPF! Engine services will be handled by Varner ….Bonus...

 Breaking  news!  This just in… Free riding lessons for Riders of World Supercross series at Moto Academy GPF! Engine services will be handled by Varner ….Bonus track time for owners of Stark Vargs! How am I doing? 

Are RMZ kickstartes in stock on the facility grounds?

9/1/2023 9:16am
yak651 wrote:

WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching...

Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching because it’s the only racing on. Trying to compete when 2 other series are racing at the same time makes no sense, if somebody tried to watch the entire ama races, mxgp, and then wsx it would take the entire weekend to watch, so ppl had to choose and they’re going to choose the one they already watch. 
 

On top of that when they had the off season rounds tons of top guys showed up.  You need big names to get ppl interested. Racing in the off season solves the 2 biggest problems, not competing against other races, and having top talent racing. If these races were the end of October to the end of December you’d have no other racing to watch but this, and it would have the big name guys so everybody would watch. 

And that's assuming they don't also watch F1, MotoGP, NASCAR, IndyCar, LeMans, etc.  As much as I enjoy it when I watch, I don't even have time for MXGP often enough to justify the subscription. 

 

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9/1/2023 10:22am
ML512 wrote:

Tried to get some updates this morning, but two of the teams I spoke to didn't know anything new, yet.

Singapore is 4 weeks away ?  Have they booked the teams booked airfares for this round ? 

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9/1/2023 10:41am
yak651 wrote:

WSX should really consider changing their model so they schedule their races totally in the US off season

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching...

Yup… literally everyone could see this. If they had their races at a time when nobody else was racing then they’re going to get everybody watching because it’s the only racing on. Trying to compete when 2 other series are racing at the same time makes no sense, if somebody tried to watch the entire ama races, mxgp, and then wsx it would take the entire weekend to watch, so ppl had to choose and they’re going to choose the one they already watch. 
 

On top of that when they had the off season rounds tons of top guys showed up.  You need big names to get ppl interested. Racing in the off season solves the 2 biggest problems, not competing against other races, and having top talent racing. If these races were the end of October to the end of December you’d have no other racing to watch but this, and it would have the big name guys so everybody would watch. 

You say literally everyone but when I mentioned this last year when the series schedule was announced, I was BASHED. Someone even said something of the...

You say literally everyone but when I mentioned this last year when the series schedule was announced, I was BASHED. Someone even said something of the line of “ I can tell your from USA and Not wanting a competing series”. I said I’d love a series in the off-season but was also bashed for that and told it could work. Some of those same people(not implying you) are saying how they knew the series would fail. 

I'm right there with you...

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