Why would Beta not get Ferrandis?

8/28/2023 3:56am

It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of the contract. Like in 2022 they didn’t know his contract was ending in 2023 ?! 
Sexton who sign early with ktm was right when people laughed at him. 

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8/28/2023 4:17am
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It seems like the obvious move. Beta is coming in with a new 450 team wanting to make a splash and Ferrandis is the only recent...

It seems like the obvious move. Beta is coming in with a new 450 team wanting to make a splash and Ferrandis is the only recent 450 champ without a ride. Hes been the clear 3rd best guy in the class outdoors for a while this year, he would get Beta guaranteed podiums.
 

I understand Bloss or Nichols as the 2nd guy on the team but they need a #1. Dylan is pissed off at the other manufacturers right now and feels like he has something to prove. Seems like a good match. I know he can be really picky and vocal about the bike, but if they want to get some wins they need a Dylan level rider. KTM went out and got Dungey and it sent the team on a massive upward trajectory, Beta would look a lot better getting some wins here and there and a ton of podiums vs always getting 6th-14th.

Why on earth would he want to spend the waning years of his championship-winning career trying to develop a bike to race in a sport as dangerous as Supercross, especially since he’s never had much 450 SX success to begin with?  
Ask The King how the KTM development year worked out for him.

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8/28/2023 4:19am
It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of...

It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of the contract. Like in 2022 they didn’t know his contract was ending in 2023 ?! 
Sexton who sign early with ktm was right when people laughed at him. 

We’ll see how right he was come Anaheim.  Cooper couldn’t get away from the current KTM platform quick enough.

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8/28/2023 7:29am

Their 450 looked just awful last weekend.

Lupino  is a good rider but he finished in the high 20s both motos I think? 
 

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8/28/2023 8:29am
Nairb#70 wrote:

Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

Sully wrote:

AC and Anderson are both locked in at Kawi for next year.

That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made it into the top-3 quite often, is sitting without a FACTORY ride is preposterous!! 

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8/28/2023 8:30am
dv12.com wrote:
1. They can't pay him 2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP...  3. He'll be 30 next May, so his...

1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

It really is astonishing that Ferrandis doesn't have a Factory Ride for the next two years. He is clearly the only rider that can even think about running with Jett and Chase upfront in a National. KTM in Europe only has Herlings; who can't seem to stay off the ground anymore.  DV... any chance Ferrandis heads back across the pond? It is a bummer for sure, but I would imagine he could at least get paid and have a true Works bike under him. Throwing him in the mix with Prado, Febvre, Gaiser, Herlings, etc.. I don't see why Dylan wouldn't be one of the favorites to win the title. 

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8/28/2023 9:06am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2023 9:06am
It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of...

It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of the contract. Like in 2022 they didn’t know his contract was ending in 2023 ?! 
Sexton who sign early with ktm was right when people laughed at him. 

We’ll see how right he was come Anaheim.  Cooper couldn’t get away from the current KTM platform quick enough.

This Cooper couldn’t get away from KTM fast enough?

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8/28/2023 9:28am
wwdiii wrote:
I have no idea what Beta’s budget is for SX/MX.  I doubt anybody looked at an annual report.  If you know how to read an annual...

I have no idea what Beta’s budget is for SX/MX.  I doubt anybody looked at an annual report.  If you know how to read an annual report a person might be able to get a feel for what the budget and plans are.  Reading an annual report is business 101 in profiling a company.  

At a simple level they might want to see how competitive they are before they throw money around.  I’d agree with the above walk before run comment.
 

 

They are privately held so the only people that know their finances are the owners. They keep even bike sales to themselves. They are smart too, they don't overspend. They have the 2 guys they want. But I'm like everyone else here its surprising he does not have a ride.

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8/28/2023 10:17am

Might be a perfect opportunity for Pro Circuit to field a proven 450 rider, like when they were possibly going to help Roczen last year?

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8/28/2023 10:39am
dv12.com wrote:
1. They can't pay him 2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP...  3. He'll be 30 next May, so his...

1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

Yea....I don't see Nichols cracking the top 10 at all next year. There will be a lot of "the bike isn't ready" type comments from the riders next year

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8/28/2023 10:53am
It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of...

It’s insane to me than those rider with agent who represent them can’t be foresighted and work to find deal a year before the end of the contract. Like in 2022 they didn’t know his contract was ending in 2023 ?! 
Sexton who sign early with ktm was right when people laughed at him. 

We’ll see how right he was come Anaheim.  Cooper couldn’t get away from the current KTM platform quick enough.

NVA57 wrote:
This Cooper couldn’t get away from KTM fast enough?

This Cooper couldn’t get away from KTM fast enough?

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Yes, that one.  Nobody had any complaints about the old bike.  No one has anything good to say about the new one.

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8/28/2023 10:57am

I think he has a couple years left in him. He didn’t like the bike for what ever reason and I’m sure riding past your comfort zone on a bike you’re not jelling with is going to bite you eventually and it has. Get him on somthing he’s comfortable he’s top 5 all day long

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8/28/2023 11:03am
dv12.com wrote:
1. They can't pay him 2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP...  3. He'll be 30 next May, so his...

1. They can't pay him

2. The bike isn't SX ready and it's not even competitive in MXGP... 

3. He'll be 30 next May, so his window is closing

4. He made enough money to pick a better bike and focus on results rather than a paycheck

5. He'll be more competitive on a "privateer" effort like MotoConcepts or HEP than on a Beta

To sum it up, they can't pay him and can't give him a competitive bike, why would he sign there? Might as well retire if that's the only option... 

Yea....I don't see Nichols cracking the top 10 at all next year. There will be a lot of "the bike isn't ready" type comments from the...

Yea....I don't see Nichols cracking the top 10 at all next year. There will be a lot of "the bike isn't ready" type comments from the riders next year

Get ready for a lot of "trusting the process" comments.

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8/28/2023 1:12pm

Yeah it will be interesting to see how Beta does first rattle out of the box here in the US.  I bet a top 10 would be considered a success.  We seen bigger surprises as in Ty Masterpool.  Also be interesting to see if any models will hit show room floors this year.  I can’t recall what my Beta dealer told me about the 450 RX.  Seems like he didn’t know much.  If they do hit showrooms some day I’d bet slightly underpowered but handle good with hard seat LOL.  Maybe the next RMZ with electric start!!!  

Either way I’ll be rooting Beta, I have 24 300 RX setting at the HQ in California waiting to Ship.  My wife would be excited for lack of better terms  if I came home with a 4 stroke RX to match!!!  Even though I’d mentioned a new  Beta.  The light didn’t go off until this morning.  It was not pretty but Im safe until I bring it home.  

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8/29/2023 5:40am Edited Date/Time 8/29/2023 5:43am

Brands that are entering MX/SX or the US field could also offer some stock options like for any board members to make it attractive. Not enough budget ? Ok, let us propose some equity.

Imagine, new shares are somewhat printed money since a top caliber will make the whole company more valuable too. Everybody wins, and that is a nice transition to become a brand ambassador then team manager if interested.

So I think Ferrandis or any riders, through financially sound agents, should try to work it out, thinking 10 or 20 years plans instead of 1 year deals, in term of tax it can be worthwhile too (i.e. the monster million from the Monster cup).

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I’m sure some close connected to Beta my know the reasons why they signed the two riders they have under contract.  I it’s been a while since I’d seen either ride much, had to google/racerX etc., both riders are respectable, but not to the level of others such as DF. Companies make decisions for many reasons and most we do not know, at least I don’t.  In talking to my Beta dealer they want to grow the business.  I’d guess they signed riders eager to get a ride/job with respectable racing backgrounds.  But also clean up good, speak good and be an integral part of the business.  But that just my guess.

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8/29/2023 8:58am

We’ll see how right he was come Anaheim.  Cooper couldn’t get away from the current KTM platform quick enough.

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This Cooper couldn’t get away from KTM fast enough?

This Cooper couldn’t get away from KTM fast enough?

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Yes, that one.  Nobody had any complaints about the old bike.  No one has anything good to say about the new one.

That’s a pretty red plate on such an awful bike. 

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8/29/2023 9:07am

This is when you see the real impact of teams like JGR, RCH, and Butler Bros KTM leaving the sport. Not enough 450 factory bikes to go around, unfortunately.

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8/29/2023 9:14am
Nairb#70 wrote:

Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

Sully wrote:

AC and Anderson are both locked in at Kawi for next year.

davistld01 wrote:
That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made...

That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made it into the top-3 quite often, is sitting without a FACTORY ride is preposterous!! 

LOL, what youre saying about Ferrandis is the exact same thing that you could say about Anderson

He is a proven champion, and has made it in the top 3 quite often

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8/29/2023 9:14am
Nairb#70 wrote:

Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

Sully wrote:

AC and Anderson are both locked in at Kawi for next year.

davistld01 wrote:
That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made...

That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made it into the top-3 quite often, is sitting without a FACTORY ride is preposterous!! 

Kawy had them signed awhile ago. Not their fault . Bad timing on contracts. 

8/29/2023 9:19am

He should get Suzuki to give him Larry brooks and a box van. He would have better results than on the blue pig 2.0, and still wax the factory Kawi boys

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8/29/2023 9:47am

A PC Kawi would be a cool options.....ok, in dream land for fans anyway  

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8/29/2023 10:22am

Dylan needs to sign a prove it contract. He is going to price himself out of a ride the way he is handling it. 

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8/29/2023 10:54am
Nairb#70 wrote:

Who is likely to be with Kawasaki next year? I know i'm stoopid.

Sully wrote:

AC and Anderson are both locked in at Kawi for next year.

davistld01 wrote:
That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made...

That Kawasaki has "locked in" two riders...neither of them having finished top-5 in this past season consistently...while a proven Champion, and a rider who has made it into the top-3 quite often, is sitting without a FACTORY ride is preposterous!! 

DF  has missed some races as well, but I,m glad someone read through my post.

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8/31/2023 10:31am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2023 10:46am
mb60 wrote:
Beta does not have the budget I get that . But 2 teams not getting money from the factory teams can. How did  Booko afford you...

Beta does not have the budget I get that . But 2 teams not getting money from the factory teams can. How did  Booko afford you ? 

I believe DV did it mainly for fun & change (TV show & Moving to Texas).

I'm pretty certain DV could've stayed with a factory team if he wanted to.

On a side note:

Team BooKoo was really  Holigan Racing.

Michael put  a lot of money out of his own pocket into that team from my understanding.

I believe the reality TV show they did also paid ok.

That whole BooKoo thing ended badly with  BooKoo having new investors and them screwing  Holigan on sponsorship money/payments.

 

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