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Yes I do, but electrical issues cause 21% of vehicle fire, electricity needs to be banned immediately!
Although I was completely joking, i did get curious so thank you for posting that. I honestly didn’t think it was going to be over 10-15%.
It basically can’t be raced in any pro racing atm.
There will have to be a whole new series developed, or maybe the E-Bike MX World Championship.
FIM is controlled by European countries national federations, who are controlled by local clubs, who are controlled by club members, ie riders!
Some European countries are letting the Varg race in national championships, FIM will eventually let them race in MXGP.
The AMA is controlled by the industry.
Different approaches, each has it's strengths and weaknesses.
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I can’t see FiM allowing it in the MXGP. Of course, we don’t know what’s going to happen in the next 2-5 years. I shudder to think about the cost of these things in 5 years.
The FIM has a sustainability strategy...
https://sustainability.fim-moto.com/15-1
Which includes promoting electric in their championships...
I doubt Vargs will be allowed to race MXGP next year, but may be allowed to race 2025.
Other manufacturers are unlikely to have full sized electric motocross bikes until 2028/2029.
Man, what's the point being so open minded, you're ruining the discussion, I thought we had to pick teams, pledge allegiance to our electric/ fossil fuel overlords and register at the nearest enrollment office ?
Are you telling me you're enjoying bikes without letting politics and lunacy spoil you fun ? How dare you !
No, no, no, 2 stroke Hondas rule, 4 strokes, electric and every other manufacturer should be banned!
Not sure how anybody with a strait face could claim a $7K disposable battery even remotely resembles anything net zero. My idea of net zero is taking two scrap bikes and making one for half the price of a battery.
I'm talking years down the road. Like every other new tech ,the price will come down . I used the prices of TV's as an example of my concept of sharing parts across multiple platforms. Like 5 or 10 years from now. Transmitters for RC cars have come way down from where they were 35 years ago. Not comparing the value of a dollar then VS now, or adjusting for inflation. Even more items if You make adjustments for inflation.
Consumer level camcorders, computers, digital camera's. I could keep going listing items that cost has gone down that were able to follow the type of model I'm talking about. TV's being the best example since there are screens used on so many different things.
But it wont come down, battery production is not sustainable, supply cannot support 100% EV demand, and it is not good for environment.
I was thinking about a similar thing the other day. How cars of the 50's and 60s that were almost all metal with no plastic, were probable more recyclable , repaired instead of replaced and not al plastic like newer stuff.
The Lithium batteries are both rebuildable and recyclable. Tesla has talked about a closed loop lithium battery. Were they would only use recycled lithium from old batteries and not need to mine new lithium. With EV's being such a small segment that is growing each year , I don't see how that would be possible right now. Right now Tesla is pretty bad about replacing instead of repairing a battery that has any issue. There are third party places that recycle and repair lithium batteries right now.
I'm not really sold on Electric Vehicles made of plastic saving the planet. But as a way to power a Dirtbike, I think it could make some amazingly fun machines that could be more fun in many ways than Gas bikes. And help people be able to ride in places they could not before.
I guess we will see. Time will tell , and history shows its very possible.
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I tend to agree that they will not want to let the Varg in. But Stark could also join like Triumphs. And assuming that the other brands have EMX bikes in the works , maybe they let Stark in to be the guinea pig . I think that if they do not let Stark race, they are helping Stark out. Stark can claim the bike is so good that the other brands are afraid to race against it.
I think that the Varg could be amazing in SX. I hope that it gets into some AMA races somehow in the next couple years. It would be cool to see how Josh hill could do.
I watched a "How To" video on youtube for changing gear oil on the stark. How often do you have to do this?
Looks like break in is 5 hours and then every 40 hours or 1 time every 12 months after. 80ML of oil, a quart would give you 12 oil changes. Screenshot of Varg manual below.
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Supply grows to meet demand, like all resources there is a lag.
This is a dirt bike forum, nobody cares about the environment!
Not true.
I'm no green fanatic and I don't buy into the climate-change-fear-mongering bullshit... but I have always cared about the environment. That's how we were raised...
Think of the erosion your dirt bike tires are causing, you need to stop riding it!
I think the thing seems like a technically strong designed machine. I admire it.
However, I still don’t want to ride a bike with no motor feel or sound really what so ever I’m any significant manor.
Not wanting an RC car sound attached to the hobby and sport I love doesn’t make me a hater.
Cool. Thanks 👍🏻
There is just no way Josh Hill was riding continuously for 75 minutes on 80hp setting. As others have stated, that is likely just "bike-on" time and not indicative of actual riding time. If he showed his ride log, that would tell the real story.
That said, in my experience with the bike thus far, the range is plenty for a majority of riders out there. I posted 2 entire 30+ minute motos at Cahuilla Creek MX on youtube to show realistic range expectations on a motocross track, where i used about 80% of the battery each time. I consider myself pretty average skill level amongst the motocross community, so it should be more or less indicative of the range any other joe motocross should expect to get on a motocross track. As i always say, range on electric bikes varies drastically depending on skill level, speed of the track, type of dirt, power mode you're riding in, etc. Could a slower rider get double this range on a tight, hard pack track? Absolutely. Can you go over 90 minutes dicking around in the trails on a single charge? Absolutely. Can a fast rider on a deep sand track drain the battery 100%-0% in 30 minutes? Absolutely.
Exhibit A :
So… I can still use Rotella in the gearbox?😂
He play rode for an hour, stopping frequently, sometimes on the gas hard to clear jumps and other times just cruising around. This was all on hard pack conditions on what seemed like a fairly mellow day weather wise. This bike is awesome and I’m eager to swing my leg over one but the tech is just not quite there yet to match an ICE and it’s range is completely dependent on outside factors, most of which are out of the riders control.
It would be cool if Stark shrunk this motor/battery down and made an e-bike conversion kit for KLX/CRF/TTR pitbikes.
Joey Lancaster claims "Riding backyard moto at my house I got 3 hours out of the battery on the first charge."
He rides faster and harder than most Vitards I would bet.
Joey is a decently skilled Vet Expert / 30+A racer and the guy behind the 125 Dream Race.
I'll vouch for his speed on the track.
It has been a few years since I remember seeing him on the gate with us at the local races.
As for the three hours, "at my house" could mean anything for riding intensity.
I believe he does a fair bit of low intensity woods and play riding.
Seeing is believing and I think the most transparent assessment we have so far is from theycallmebryan's youtube videos.
(I am not suggesting that Joey is BS-ing anyone. He's a stand-up guy as far as I'm concerned).
I watched some of your first videos on this thing out of curiosity.
You seem to be extremely excited about it, but also realistic about pros and cons of the bike.
That's what we need.
What skill level do you typically race at?
Is it even remotely possible to do two classes on a Varg, given the possibility that you could have moto's almost back to back sometimes?
Some powertrain issues, resolution, and future battery testing:
https://youtu.be/zKCka1no_Tg?feature=shared
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