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The have swimming races more then every 4 years in the Olympics??
(and yes…number of gold medals is more important then total medals)
Heard Steve’s interview with Tomac today and wow what a difference. Both are 5 time outdoor champs, 4 450 and 1 250 for Eli, 2 450 and 3 250 for Jeff. ( But that makes them equal, they count the same, just ask Jeff!) Not once did Eli put down any of his competitors, didn’t talk about any hypothetical bullshit theories, didn’t insult the fans or bitch about keyboard warriors. Just straight info on his current situation.
The interviewer never tried to suck him off like by saying “ooo the series is empty and boring without you, it’s just not the sameee”. And the guy getting interviewed acted like a humble champion, not an arrogant prick.
Well I can only talk for myself but when herlings goes out with injury the interest drops a lot. I still watch it but it's not the same. If you watched ama and mxgp in the same entusiasm you would see why. Everyone know if he's healthy he's the fastest guy handsdown.
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I agree with this and I know that many people do. My take was educated.
Jeffrey is so unpredictable on the track and off of it – that gives him that 'superstar' quality. I believe that's the difference.
To clarify, when I said that I don't look at Eli as "bigger than the series" in the USA that's because supercross is so large.
Thank you! I've been waiting for your feedback, haha.
I like that Jeffrey was cocky at points and then humble at other times. That proves that he just spoke his truth, no matter what.
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Fantastic! He seems like he's very comfortable with who he is at this point in his life, he gave very fair assessments of other riders.
Herlings wasn't winning silver or bronze medals. He was winning gold medals in the 250 class. He more than backed up his 250 wins by consistently being the fastest guy in the MXGP class and pulling off wins there as well.
You're obviously massively biased. Your opinion is moot. You say he's an arrogant prick. I say he's confident and brash. If he was American you would call him a "badass."
Stop it. Can you imagine if Jett stayed 250s all this year…..plus 3 MORE YEARS (which he would point out but…) racking up wins and then won half as many as RC on 450s? …and someone tried to say he was the GOAT?? People would be roasting him for doing that…not praising. You are truly smoking crack on this one. JH is great…but HE chose to cherry pick for 3-4 years too many in the 250s. Maybe he would have won a lot on 450s and maybe not….probably….but we will never know ….but I do know JH made the choice to not try it. You get zero wins/points/credit for the races you don’t line up for.
I am a fan…but….come on….name a sport where minor league wins count for shit in discussing the greats.
Well actually Lewis… you are a big part in the interview being good (great). You are the one who created the space for Herlings to being honest, open and articulate. I feel the relationship you built with Herlings over the years was necessary for this interview to work this well. You were prepared, asked good questions and - very important - didn’t kill the flow of this great interview with unnecessary interruptions. Job very well done!
Knocked it out of the park Lewis! What a legend- aside from him being a complete badass I knew nothing about him until listening to this, his honesty is refreshing and your interview style is engaging, flows really well but gets the answers. You two have really good chemistry, Chase should feel threatened 😜
As far as I know, I could be wrong though, he wasn’t allowed by KTM to move up earlier.
Either way, 250 wins are simply not the same. It does not take away from their significance, but it's like adding in college stats for an NFL Running back.
Should we put an * on the records of Cairoli and Everts?
Once again,this will end up in another AMA vs MXGP.Enjoy the interview and shut up!
Broc Glover was in the 125 class for 5 years, Mark Barnett was in the 125 class for 7 years, Johnny O'Mara was in the 125 class for 4 years. All legends, and most of Barnett's wins were in the 125 class. A rider can't cherry pick the MX2 class since there is no higher class to be in (only a class with different cc's, the MXGP class) as it is proffessional. As mentioned, Herlings has more than proved his worth in the MXGP class.
What do you think would have happened if Honda said no to Jett moving up. He would have left. Stars of JH’s level tell the factory what they want and the factories do it 99% of the time. If they don’t….leave for another brand. He most definitely could have moved up had he pressed for it.
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Say what you want about Jeffrey, but if he's got 59 houses without any mortgage on them… He's smarter than any motocross racer ever.
First of all Johnny did 4 years on little bikes. Had JH done 4 years that would have been good. His win and defense of a championship. He did 3 AFTER that…big diff. As for the 3 you named…. as great as they were…. They are not really in the “greatest ever” conversation. This is not a were they great conversation. They were! JH is great! ….This is a GOAT conversation…..and he is not that because of his numbers in the premier class. Remember…this is opinions and you are free to have a different one.
Decarli was the 450 team you think the don wanted jh showing up
Once again the 125 class had no age rule or point out rule so racing all challengers. MX2 was an “entry” class like the 250 E/W supercross class that has move up rules. No one counts those when seriously comparing careers. JH is a bad man on a bike and on his days no one can touch him, no one that’s serious can deny that. Not sure why so many defend his CHOICE to stay in the entry class and try to count those wins with the same meaning as the premier class 🤷♂️
This conversation is not a GOAT discussion, it's about Herlings and his career. There are only a select few that belong in the GOAT conversation and most agree it is RC.
Both the 125/250f and the 250/450f classes are professional classes, and wins count. There have been seasons where the most stacked classes are the 125/250f class so getting wins in those classes demand more respect when they are more stacked. One example is the 2007 outdoor season. Another was the 2012 where Ryan Dungey dominated against Mike Alessi and Jake Weimer, whereas Blake Bagget had to contend with Eli Tomac and Kenny Roczen. The sweeping generalization that the "premier" class is de facto the standard which measures success is a misnomer: it's the strength of competition.
As an aside to how difficult the 125 class was in the 80s, it took Jeff Ward 7 years to win the title. Most would agree he is an all-time great in the sport and wasn't cherry picking any more than when Glover and Barnett dominated the class for several seasons.
Exactly, you know even though he says Jett would beat him right now he thinks it would be different if he was at 100% in his prime. Same thing with RC and Bubba, they are both hugely complimentary of Jett, but you know both guys believe in their hearts they would smoke Jett in their prime. To be great you need to be a bit (okay a lot) arrogant.
Enjoyed listening to Jeffrey but the ass kissing was off the charts. It’s obvious you’re a huge fan of his but when you ranked him over all the American riders right now at this stage of his career? Come on man. And to state he could come here in October and train and be ready for supercross? Really? Even Jeffrey himself had to reign you back in on that one.
Many Euro riders have dedicated themselves to supercross in the winter, then come out and been battling for a top five.
Suggesting Herlings could do the same as Ferrandis is crazy? Wow.
With all due respect to Jeffrey, absolutely he could’ve but it would’ve taken more than a few months of SX test tracks and definitely not at this point of his career. It was an interesting interview no doubt, thanks for putting it out. Not trying to be a dick, just felt it got a little much at times.
Searle did it with no supercross experience. Townley too.
I feel like Herlings can do it, if they can…
I was talking 250SX, so I guess I should have clarified that.
Searle did it but was he ever a championship guy or race winner? No.
Townley had one healthy year in sx and barley got the sx title. 2006 blew out his knee trying to ride sx then 2007 got the job done. Then never raced another sx.
You're now taking my point way too far. I said that if he dedicated himself then he could come out and be a "top five" guy.
At no point has a "championship guy or race winner" been entered into this conversation, but yeah. Nice.
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