Ferrandis no ride...but Craig Malcolm barcia ac and Anderson yes

7/27/2023 2:18pm
AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450.    EDIT I was wrong. He actually...

AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450. 

 

EDIT

I was wrong. He actually did finish 21 Sx 7th in points and made every round. 

Really? I'll bite. The only reason AC got a podium was because the normal top 5 guys were out with injuries. Ferrandis has actually won a 450 MX title against Tomac, Roczen, Webb, & Sexton. AC hasn't done anything near Ferrandis' resume.

DF with back to back West SX titles, then a 250 MX title with 4 seasons in the 250 class. Then a 450 MX title his first year in 450 class.

AC with 1 250 MX title in 6 seasons in the 250 class. Nothing significant in 450 thus far, other than a couple moto wins in MX.

acvdf

 

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Because he's a whiner and every manufacturer knows it'll be their bikes fault.

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AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450.    EDIT I was wrong. He actually...

AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450. 

 

EDIT

I was wrong. He actually did finish 21 Sx 7th in points and made every round. 

HonDawg17 wrote:
Really? I'll bite. The only reason AC got a podium was because the normal top 5 guys were out with injuries. Ferrandis has actually won a...

Really? I'll bite. The only reason AC got a podium was because the normal top 5 guys were out with injuries. Ferrandis has actually won a 450 MX title against Tomac, Roczen, Webb, & Sexton. AC hasn't done anything near Ferrandis' resume.

DF with back to back West SX titles, then a 250 MX title with 4 seasons in the 250 class. Then a 450 MX title his first year in 450 class.

AC with 1 250 MX title in 6 seasons in the 250 class. Nothing significant in 450 thus far, other than a couple moto wins in MX.

acvdf

 

But AC is more popular does more media and is better at it. And for a sponsor that is ahuge deal. IF Ac isn't racing he is on RDL or in the booth with Ricky. Dylan is 1000 miles away. 

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Unfortunately I think everything has lined up bad for ferrandis?  With his age and his personality factories don't want him as it's probably a liability? As ML has stated even if he wins here and there on a new bike and then retires after a season or two it's not going to benefit the brand of the bike long term? As of now he's synonymous with Yamaha. And lately he's doing them no good with his straight up comments about the bike and overall personality? Another factory team doesn't want that person representing them. 

The likes of AC, JB, DW, MS, CC, AP etc keep getting rides because they're marketable, popular with the fans, probably easy to work with and the teams know they will represent them well regardless of the situation? Can't be 100% sure but I don't think I've ever heard AC talk negatively about the bike?

Ultimately racing is really about marketing for the bike brands and sponsors and not always about results. The racing and riders are just tools for the larger picture of selling bikes and product. 

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Beta has the 2nd 450 available and someone will be on it.  I don't think they'll spend Ferrandis money though.  But it could be the story of the year....

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Having been in the sport, I see ALL sides. I see the Teams & I see the Riders. I’m old school though. Having been involved with modern teams, my idea of Rider Contracts are always Performance Based. Of course each side wants what’s best for themselves. However, in both classes it seems the Riders have the upper hand. Seems many Riders regardless of injuries over time just aren’t really showing their worth consistently to me. Being from the Team side, the Teams for everything they do, should always have an OUT. Obviously most Riders don’t want Performance based deals, yet they want the Bonuses. It has to work for both. 
As a Fan, I question these things. Trust me when I say, it’s frustrating when your guys just aren’t with the program!!

 

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AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450.    EDIT I was wrong. He actually...

AC only missed 3 supercross rounds and got a podium. Ferrandis hasn't finished a supercross season on a 450. 

 

EDIT

I was wrong. He actually did finish 21 Sx 7th in points and made every round. 

Incorrect, Dylan Ferrandis raced all 17 rounds of Supercross in his rookie season (2021, the same year he won the Pro Motocross title). This includes a podium with second place at his second-ever 450 Supercross. He didn't reach the podium for the rest of the season but hit the top five three more times.

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7/27/2023 4:54pm
HonDawg17 wrote:

I'll say it again. Kawi needs to ditch AC and get Ferrandis.

ML512 wrote:
Under contract. They've had AC his whole career, it's a bit of a gamble taking Dylan this late in his career for maybe one or two...

Under contract. They've had AC his whole career, it's a bit of a gamble taking Dylan this late in his career for maybe one or two years. Even if he does win, it'll be a blip in his career and most won't recognize him on the Kawi or ever think about it again.

HonDawg17 wrote:

Don't get me wrong I get what you're saying. But Ferrandis is a far better choice as results and injuries go.

Do you understand how contracts work? They can't just get rid of AC and go with Ferrandis, they'd have to buy AC out of his contract ($$$) and then pay Ferrandis his asking/negotiated price (more $$$$$). I could see them spending that kind of money to get a rider with the upsides of Jett or Hunter, but not for a guy who's on the downside of his career and has had the amount of injuries Dylan has had.

I really hope he finds something, but there is no way any factory is going to buy out a current guy's contract to bring Dylan onboard.

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7/27/2023 5:00pm

I know it’s unlikely but I really think it would be cool if the KTM group could figure out a way to get Dylan on a team somewhere. He’s been teammates with Mookie and Craig before at Husky or the sleeper would be send some extra money to Gas Gas. He likes being out in California and having his own program. That would do it

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7/27/2023 5:10pm
ML512 wrote:
Timing and circumstances. Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022. Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas...

Timing and circumstances.

Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022.

Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas in the US, it's Troy Lee's team, he likes Justin and the deal works. Signed earlier in the season for two more years. 

I think Kawasaki may have weighed the option between Anderson and Ferrandis but looks to ultimately have chosen Jason. He's been closer to a 450 SX title which I can nearly bet you they put more weight into.

Triumph 450 isn't coming until 2025.

Honda is full as can be.

Beta doesn't likely have the budget nor resources and info to support someone of Dylan's caliber. It would be suicidal for them to even try in year one.

Ferrandis is not known to be easy to work with. In saying that, I think Dylan is enjoyable to interview, never ran into anything personally with him. However, you hear comments from people that have.

Bad timing is the biggest thing. He's not happy with the team, they don't seem happy in the situation with him so they'd parting ways at a time when nothing else is really available. It happens in other motorsports as well where rides/drives are limited. Some of motorsports' best have had to take sabbatical seasons due to timing.

I notice that you side stepped Malcolm…

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Christian Craig just had a 3rd surgery on his arm. 

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7/27/2023 5:44pm

Just from my fan perspective who would want to work with a constant complainer and someone who always says the bike is trash? If I was a sponsor or team owner I’d rather sign someone with a better attitude who can still get results. 
 

I like Ferrandis as much as any of the normal guys but I think word is he’s kind of over it. Why invest millions on someone with that mindset?

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ML512 wrote:
Timing and circumstances. Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022. Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas...

Timing and circumstances.

Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022.

Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas in the US, it's Troy Lee's team, he likes Justin and the deal works. Signed earlier in the season for two more years. 

I think Kawasaki may have weighed the option between Anderson and Ferrandis but looks to ultimately have chosen Jason. He's been closer to a 450 SX title which I can nearly bet you they put more weight into.

Triumph 450 isn't coming until 2025.

Honda is full as can be.

Beta doesn't likely have the budget nor resources and info to support someone of Dylan's caliber. It would be suicidal for them to even try in year one.

Ferrandis is not known to be easy to work with. In saying that, I think Dylan is enjoyable to interview, never ran into anything personally with him. However, you hear comments from people that have.

Bad timing is the biggest thing. He's not happy with the team, they don't seem happy in the situation with him so they'd parting ways at a time when nothing else is really available. It happens in other motorsports as well where rides/drives are limited. Some of motorsports' best have had to take sabbatical seasons due to timing.

I notice that you side stepped Malcolm…

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7/27/2023 6:04pm

Chances are a top rider will be injured before next season starts....  fill in ride....

 

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7/27/2023 6:55pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2023 6:55pm

Ferrandis might be outspoken and pedantic about bike set-up, but being particular and pedantic is likely what helped him get his 2021 outdoor title - so in that respect, it’s what has worked for him.

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7/27/2023 7:22pm

DF too good not to have a ride..............

HEP Suzuki surely or teamate to barcia at GASGAS....?

else back to MXGP where he will  kick some butt!

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Only one rider in the thread title has a 450 win in 2023 and it's not Ferrandis.

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I'm not really a Ferrandis fan, and I totally agree that guys like Cianciarulo and Stewart are better personalities/representatives of your brand. But at the same time, it does seem kinda crappy that popularity can be more important than results when it comes to getting a factory ride in the current era. Ferrandis is a hell of a racer and, along with already having a 450 title, has way more potential, in my opinion, to get back to an elite level than the other two guys do. I guess a big part of it is manufacturers care more about SX and Ferrandis has struggled to even complete a 450 season in SX, but the same could be said for the other two as well. Malcolm has showed really good speed the last couple seasons, but ultimately wasn't on the level of Tomac or Anderson in 2022 and got hurt early in the year 2023. AC just completed his first SX season since he was on a 250, and even that came with a couple missed rounds. I've seen Ferrandis put in quite a few impressive Supercross rides speed-wise, it's not like he's devoid of potential there. Hell, he won two 250 regional titles.

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7/27/2023 8:08pm

It's a crying shame if DF doesn't get a factory ride.....I can name a couple "factory" riders who should lose theirs.   I'd name them...but you know how that would go.

Nuclear Armageddon downvoting...  lol

 

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I mean Webb, Tomac and Cooper have proven themselves with speed and results, hard to argue with that. Hopefully from now til the end of the season we see Ferrandis wick up the speed a bit and show some life.

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7/27/2023 8:25pm

We need Craig back out there so AC can have some competition for lowest placing factory rider each week.Shocked

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MCR? Maybe he would do well with the bonus structure and use it as a springboard for the following season.

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7/27/2023 10:54pm

Id trade both Malcom and Craig for an unhealthy Ferrandis. Those two are great riders but they just are not racers. They care more about other things outside of racing than they do winning. Ferrandis is high strung but thats good when precision and high level performance is asked of a Factory RACER.

But.... Social Credit score seems to be more valuable today than being fast.

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MCR or Firepower would be a good landing spot with all the factories full. Would love to see it, he rides with a lot of heart when he’s comfortable. Both those teams are heart on their sleeve kinda teams. Maybe can get the Honda to his liking and we can all live happily ever after. 

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7/28/2023 3:32am

Is it really that difficult to understand? 

Because DF is a previous champion, he will value his services at '$x', 

The others not being previous champions have a bit lower pedigree and subsequent price tag so value their services at '$Y'. 

Teams have a maximum budget to spend on rider salaries. Typically, they'll aim high for their number one rider which often blows a massive hole in that budget, & If they cant afford another big player they have to settle for a slightly lesser pedigree of rider. 

Let's be honest, EVERY team out there will employ DF if he's priced himself attractively. 

Its really very simple.

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Is it really that difficult to understand?  Because DF is a previous champion, he will value his services at '$x',  The others not being previous champions...

Is it really that difficult to understand? 

Because DF is a previous champion, he will value his services at '$x', 

The others not being previous champions have a bit lower pedigree and subsequent price tag so value their services at '$Y'. 

Teams have a maximum budget to spend on rider salaries. Typically, they'll aim high for their number one rider which often blows a massive hole in that budget, & If they cant afford another big player they have to settle for a slightly lesser pedigree of rider. 

Let's be honest, EVERY team out there will employ DF if he's priced himself attractively. 

Its really very simple.

True,dylan has a price tag he wants And the people who pay him.have a price tag in mind. Guess who makes the decision, the boss who pays him.

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ML512 wrote:
Timing and circumstances. Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022. Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas...

Timing and circumstances.

Adam Cianciarulo and Christian Craig had contracts from 2023 through 2024 that were signed in 2022.

Justin Barcia is the face of GasGas in the US, it's Troy Lee's team, he likes Justin and the deal works. Signed earlier in the season for two more years. 

I think Kawasaki may have weighed the option between Anderson and Ferrandis but looks to ultimately have chosen Jason. He's been closer to a 450 SX title which I can nearly bet you they put more weight into.

Triumph 450 isn't coming until 2025.

Honda is full as can be.

Beta doesn't likely have the budget nor resources and info to support someone of Dylan's caliber. It would be suicidal for them to even try in year one.

Ferrandis is not known to be easy to work with. In saying that, I think Dylan is enjoyable to interview, never ran into anything personally with him. However, you hear comments from people that have.

Bad timing is the biggest thing. He's not happy with the team, they don't seem happy in the situation with him so they'd parting ways at a time when nothing else is really available. It happens in other motorsports as well where rides/drives are limited. Some of motorsports' best have had to take sabbatical seasons due to timing.

That makes a ton of sense, and it’s still a shame I guess. 

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7/28/2023 5:31am

whatever the case, Dylan seemed like one of those guys who could have owned Supercross but something derailed that. he was injured, yes, but I also think he’s meant for another bike.

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whatever the case, Dylan seemed like one of those guys who could have owned Supercross but something derailed that. he was injured, yes, but I also...

whatever the case, Dylan seemed like one of those guys who could have owned Supercross but something derailed that. he was injured, yes, but I also think he’s meant for another bike.

His poor starts derailed it, with so many fast guys on the track you can't keep spotting them 8,9,10 positions off the start. Its also the reason  ET3 only has 51 SX wins, he couldn't buy a start on the KX, once he moved to the YZ his starts improved dramatically helping him to get 15 wins in the last 2 years....

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7/28/2023 6:11am

I’d love to see what Dylan could do with a fresh start. Sometimes riders need that to reinvent themselves. If Dylan dosent get picked up he needs to purchase a bike and do some races on it. Then he could be a fill in which I’m return could be a chance at a reg ride

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