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Enlighten me on what he is saying then, because in your eyes, i clearly missed his point.
If you don’t think other countries are as bad, I’d say you haven’t traveled much. But personally, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I agree 100% with the last sentence, it’s disrespectful.
I have been in more or less every country in europe, rode enduro world championship rounds but still i have not been around much…
i have been at plenty MXGP’s, MXDN’s and speedway GP’s and seen the mutual respect for each rider. Patriotism in the rest of the world is nothing near what it is in the US, for good or bad..
The thing here is that typical redneck mentallity ”HE SHOULD NOT TELL US THAT WE CANT ROOT FOR OUR COUNTRY” instead of have some thought about how it CAN look and sound for people that comes from other countrys.
And i don’t know when the Deegan family got the saint stamp in here, but Brian has always been the one to start controversy where ever he went, just look at the Mulisha vs Pastrana crap that he did? Why do people think that he raises Haiden to do anything less?.
Go back to the claimgate thing, Haiden and his friends rode around on a golf cart shouting at Brennan, and now the Honda guys confirms that he does the same thing against Hunter.
Don’t come here with the ”he’s just 17” crap, Travis never did things like that at 17, neither did Jett or JS. It’s all about how you are raised.
Haiden has been raised with a camera pointed to his face his whole life, has better media training than any other of the guys out there. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and starting whit this.
I could not care less about what country you come from, we have two Swedes out on the track now but i root way more for Jett than them, i just stick with the riders i like, not where the are from..
So for me it’s hard to understand why people shout ”usa” on the podium cermony since for me, it’s just riders, not nations…
I think Matthes was too far left on his take. Us American's are sick of hearing people sh*t on American's being patriotic, while also LIVING IN THE COUNTRY you are disrepecting. Since when did this become a thing? When was it a problem to root for your home country on the podium? Jett Lawrence was waving the Australian flag on the same podium 40 mins after Deegan and we didn't hear any problems with that. So clearly Matthes needs to get himself in check, because both incidents were the same thing. One was free speech, and the other was freedom of expression . Literally neither one was worse than the other, nor do American's care if you're waving your own country flag on our country's podium. We welcome riders from all around the globe to race here. That's why everyone wants to come to the US. To race against the best from all around the world.
If you don’t like American athletes being Pro 🇺🇸 in America standing on American soil, show me how this is racist ! Prove me wrong! Can’t stand pussy cry babies anymore.
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No, they want to race where the money is. Big difference.
So the kid went out and waived and American flag, who cares and I am sure because of all this drama he is just going to be doing it when he wins. But I do say that in the MXGPs, they do play the national anthem for that riders country when they win, isn't that kinda throwing it at the other riders. But no one seems to care.
I guess English really is your second language, because my post had nothing to do about anything you’re ranting about.
So the French waving their nation’s flag and cheering for the French racers on the side of a mountain during the Tour de France? They’re rednecks? I’ve only been on the side of the mountains of the Giro d’Italia. The Italians with theirs flags didn’t come across as rednecks.
I think this is playing head games. Deegan doesnt need anymore fans he's got most of them. The lines at the Star trailer prove that. I'm not sure it would be my approach but I didn't think Deegan's should or could be in the Pro class this year either.
When you live by the sword you can die from it as well. I'm hoping for some great clean racing. So far its been a great season.
Not sure why people are caught up on the flag waving thing? That was only part of it. If that was all Haiden did, no one would care. It’s the words that go with it.
Redneck ? Lol. Ignorant much.
After reading these threads over the past couple days I’m realizing a lot of people already have their mind made up, and their side of the argument locked and loaded without really listening to, or remembering, what was said to begin with. Goes for both sides of this debate. Welp, we fucked!
Hell, where I’m from, a lot guys still wave the confederate flag, on their houses and on the back of their trucks, I just laugh, shake my head, think to myself, you know you got your ass kicked and came in 2nd place in that war right!? Lmao
when did I name call anyone a name? You mean when I said this country has turned into a bunch of pussies? Like I said before,if Hunter did it I would have zero problem with it. They’re two racers on the top of their class and what’s alittle rivalry between one another. Back in the day, chicken and Bradshaw would basically tell each other that they were going to take them out and hurt the other guy! Those two hated each other. I agree with others on here saying what’s the big deal. I always told my kid if you want to play 3rd base,well then you need to put in the work and take it from the kid that’s playing it now. You need to earn it because nothing is ever given to you. Haiden worked hard and he was the best at washogal that weekend. Let him represent his country if he wants and let’s see who’s the best kid the following weekend.
Maybe the most braindead take in this thread, and that says alot.
Yep, you’re from Kentucky, that says a lot
The American dream should involve becoming an American. Have the Lawrence’s naturalized? Has Matthes? Part of becoming an American requires allegiance. Will the Lawrence’s or any foreign born-rider represent America at MXoN?
Thanks for doubling down lol.
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Well, I'll bite...what was inaccurate (braindead) about what he said?
Does the “American Dream” still exist in this day and age? And no I’m not talking about Dusty Rhodes lol. There’s a lot of countries that have it just as good if not better than we do.
I think Steve just doesn't want to see people dislike anybody just because they are not from the US. And I can agree with that. I really do not think that Steve or anybody would have a problem with Deeghan just waving the flag and being patriotic. I think the problem people have with it is the potential that they are using the flag and being patriotic as a way of putting another person down. And that to me is very unpatriotic and unclassy. It might not be what they are trying to do. And I hope its not. There are plenty of other ways to create a good rivalry that are more classy. Haiden is fast enough that he doesn't need to do stuff like this to get attention.
I do like it when racers are more like Tomac and ride clean ,and can be friendly with other racers. I also liked how RV would talk a little trash. But not in a mean way. If Haiden wants to play the bad guy , I guess there are people who will eat it up. I think that the people who do not like what Haiden was doing are thinking of the TP VS Mulisha stuff that went on, and see this as possible the beginning of something similar . And the people who think its great and not a big deal are not looking at with the hindsite of knowing about Bryan's manufactured rivalry with him and TP. They are just looking at it as an isolated event , not potentially part of a bigger plan.
Those same people who are pumped up that Haiden loves his country , should be fired up if he is just using the flag as a prop to help build up a rivalry similar to the TP VS Mulisha. I really hope that he's just trying to point out he is the fastest US rider in the 250 class , and trying to get on the MXON team. And that he is Not just trying to build up some US against THEM sort of rivalry.
The people that are saying others are overreacting should listen to some of Bryans interviews about how he built his brand up. I think its a logical conclusion to come to , or think is a possibility. I think that right now, Haiden should be the 250 guy for the MXON. He has impressed me with his ability to learn how to go faster , so fast.
Exactly, someone just spouting off, probably not knowing the history of the confederate flag.
I just made the comment to try and be funny, sometimes my humor gets lost in translation.
Reading up to page 4 now, I can clearly see a whole shitload of guys that apparently have never watched a single MXGP race. Sweet Jesus.. Heaven forbid folks (fans and athletes alike) have fun without worrying about hurting feelings, let alone, a kid.
Back to my point, go watch an MXGP race. Don't throw the international/national argument, it would not matter if it was any different, the fans and racers would behave the same, and it is 100% acceptable, and 100% rad.
You hit the nail on the head with Brian, have you listened to his interview with Gypsy tales? Basically telling everyone exactly what his intentions are. Also the Gypsy tales interview with TP where he says Brian was the real sellout. The metal militia was basically formed for that exact reason, for branding and to create a rivalry between them and TP.
Never been so happy there isn’t a show for the next two weeks. Hope this rants over after this past week.
just imagine AP and Deegan on team USA. MERICAAAAA
"How dumb do you have to be to think that a kid talking shit on the podium is going to bring some kind of hatred towards two of the most popular riders because they’re Ozzys?"
Bryan did it with TP , made people dislike him for what I'm not really sure. But there were some intense fans on both sides. And TP was pretty popular back then too. From a marketing point of view , it makes perfect sense . Place yourself as the rival to the most popular rider or riders. It's like the new kid who shows up and fights the biggest kid on the first day of school.
I'm not saying that is what the Deegan's are trying to do. But it is not crazy to think that could be what they are trying to do. Go listen to the Gypsy Tale's Bryan did for the first time. Listen to that and then I think You'll see why people are thinking that could be what they are doing now.
Bryan is a very smart person when it comes to marketing. And I think it would be uninformed to NOT think that it was possible to be part of a bigger plan.
Yes I have listened to them. I think that most people might understand Steves concerns if they listened to it too. If I had not heard those interviews I too might have thought it was over reacting to say what Steve and others have said. I would rather not have SX/MX turn into the WWE.
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I don't have a problem with it as I've mentioned before a good bit of drama makes things interesting lol...but if anyone actually believes this is about patriotism rather than just shit stirring has got to be kidding themselves... And at the end of the day Hunters moving up to the 450's next year and Deegan won't have to worry about getting beat by the Aussies
Me too, but I'm not black. Probably means a bit more to them.
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