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If you provide a product with nothing but bells and whistles to charge extra while the helmet protects the same? I question the concept. Why wouldn’t you provide something that is going to prevent head injury better? Not a gimmicky sales pitch
Specialized has something similar called ANGi available with their cycling helmets. It senses a crash and starts a countdown on your phone and if you don't manually stop the countdown it pushes email and text alerts to your emergency contacts. Nice peace of mind as I often ride alone.
They still sell helmets that provide the same protection without the bells and whistles for people like you who don't want them.
I'm seeing some Alpinestar influence on that new shell design. Looks pretty good.
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Seems like a good product to me for guys who ride alone. I know back when I was riding a lot by myself on my own track with nobody else around, I would’ve liked this.
Your miss understanding the point. How does this helmet help any further? It doesn’t send a signal for a downed rider(trail riding) and the only thing it does is flash and say you took an impact buy a new me.
If you provide a product that protects your head further and helps eliminate concussions I am on board. Anyone who races knows you take a ding here and there and when to replace a helmet.
Fly just dropped the new Formula helmet two years ago with the latest in safety technology they could develop and partner on. It's one of the best helmets on the market and they've added a new safety feature for those that find value in it. There is NO helmet on the market or in existence that can completely end the possibility of getting a concussion or a possible TBI. This allows a little extra safety layer for those situations, especially when someone is in a situation where no one is around to support them. It's $100 more than the standard Formula carbon and they have a range of helmets without the new Quin recorder.
Incorrect. It can dial emergency services, contact your emergency contact, track your location, and send out notifications when paired when your phone. Basically, if you go trail riding, you have your phone in your riding pack and this system in the helmet. If you crash hard but are moving afterward, it sends a notification to whoever you listed as your emergency contact. If you crash hard and aren't moving...it contacts emergency services and sends out your location.
I think you need to re read the article.
As long as it doesn’t tell my wife…
I stand corrected on the "emergency" capabilities. For a trail rider it makes sense..... I still argue that it is a bell and whistle concept that is a money grab.
For those of you wondering why it won't try to detect a concussion, that would classify this as a medical device and they'd have to validate it with the FDA.
That's funny most in my group do not have their wives listed for the notifications, including me. All it will do is panic my family and they won't know what to do. My riding buddies will know exactly where I am and what to do based on my location.
I get it for trail riders again... and I have not stated that it should eradicate concussions. I made the point that it did not provide any extra protection for your actual head and that it was a bell and whistle ploy and clearly I missed the emergency contact when I first read the information. Even still, trail riding alone is idiotic and everyone who rides knows this.
Sometimes you peel off to the side of your group and something happens, sometimes you ride near camp to play around and stuff happens. Sometimes groups get separated. Stuff happens and it’s an extra piece of mind that could potentially save someone’s life. You have a fairly stout opinion for someone who glanced at the article and the features, and made a claim calling it a money grab without even absorbing what the product does. There’s also riding analytics, a lap tracker and other things mentioned in the announcement that hasn’t even been brought up in this thread yet.
He clearly read the article from his small screen on his flip phone because a smart phone with more features and advancements was too much of a money grab for him to purchase.
I couldn't disagree with you any more strongly. If you're out riding, and get knocked out or are too hurt to make it to safety, this helmet could save your life. It wouldn't be a leap of the imagination to think that Kurt Caselli would still be with us today had he had equipment like this.
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The Fly Formula came out before the Alpinestars M10. This is still the same shell design as the original.
Looks like a cool idea, only negative is I’m assuming you need cell reception and of course a lot places we ride we don’t. But that’s not a knock on them per se just the way it is. Riddell football helmets has something like this too. It tracks all your hits and how hard and where you hit it. I bought one for my kid but not because of that feature but because he has a goofy head and they scan your head for a custom fit.
As far as safety goes only place I have seen that does helmet testing is Virginia Tech (https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/) but they don’t do full face helmets for dirt bikes of MTB. They say they don’t have a set up that can do closed faced helmets. I’ve been bugging them about it for over a year now and how there are so many that would want to see full face helmets testing and I just talked to them two weeks ago and they have a new design for it to work but have yet to build it because other stuff is taking priority. So maybe if others email too and ask them to get on it they will.
I'm all for additional safety features. This is only pushing the envelope a bit, and those of us who don't need it can buy something else.
It would be my luck that the helmet would fall off my tailgate while I'm away at the concession stand, roll to a stop, send out the location to emergency services, and then I'd get billed for an ambulance ride that didn't even happen. Because it was a false alarm, my insurance doesn't cover it, and I'm out of pocket $30,000. There's only a 0.00000001% chance that would ever happen, but I'd be the guy.
This reminds me of something Matt Hoffman (if my memory is correct) ran when he would practice on his half pipe at home. He had a system, I believe in his helmet, that would send a message to his wife's phone if it detected a crash and he didn't press some sort of button to cancel the emergency message from being sent in a certain amount of time. I wish I could find the interview but I think it was on SiriusXM years ago.
Seems like a great addition to the line for people that ride alone. I see zero problem creating another option for consumers to pick from when you can still get the same helmet without the new system if you see no value in it.
The article is written that it can warn a friend and not exactly 911. Helmet notifies friend, friend calls crash victim, crash victim answers and says it fell out the back of my truck and no ambulance is sent.
I believe it can also send a GPS location as well to said friend.
It contacts your predetermined emergency contacts, it doesn't dial 911.
...and what happens when you're out where there is no cell coverage?
This is why I carry a Garmin InReach. We're often out where there is no cell coverage.
I like the idea but I agree with rstaichi that having this new feature be dependent on cell service is a drawback for trail riding far out from civilization. But I can see the benefits for certain open riding areas that are close enough to have cell service for people who ride alone.
Yes I did, and then I re read the information and admitted the GPS emergency system is a good thing for those trail riding. I also mentioned that trail riding alone is dumb for obvious reasons. So now we stand that I have admitted the helmet GPS Emergency system they incorporated is good for trail riders, and we have extra features such as riding analytics, and lap tracker. If you are turning laps how would this have benefited your analysis with the riders? Stop watches even with human error will be more accurate. So. what is the benefit? Again, these extras that you mentioned are the money grab. Just pay or $7.99 per month for information that is slightly accurate? I am sure you would have utilized the helmets technology during your tenure as a race owner
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In all seriousness, the sport is amazing and I think everyone wants what is best for it. I am not going to sit here and continue to argue this over and over. I am excited for Washougal and the Jett vs. Chase battle and I hope everyone has a great weekend.
Interesting that you would take shot at someone just because they question a product
It was a joke.
Bottom line is they still sell the same helmet tech without the additions so everyone can be happy.
Similar to a flip phone versus smart phone. It can text and make phone calls but doesn't have the other features some other people might find useful while others have no interest in.
Wait till they make helmets that become unusable after a crash, that would suck out on the trails, not being able to put the helmet back on.
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