Washougal 2 Stroke Challenge

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7/19/2023 1:01pm
TxT0RKiT wrote:

Ryan Surratt was flying at Glen Helen on a CR250R.  I hope he races too.  

Shredder wrote:

He'd have to ride something different though.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Why ?

The Honda is too old and not homologated

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7/19/2023 1:05pm

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

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7/19/2023 1:18pm
Shredder wrote:
He went 15-20 last year, where do you figure he'll be this year? I'd love to see him top 5, but even he admitted top 10...

He went 15-20 last year, where do you figure he'll be this year? I'd love to see him top 5, but even he admitted top 10 is a stretch.

MX455 wrote:
Didn't he get hurt right before the race last year though? I know he hasn't been on the same program but i would expect top 20...

Didn't he get hurt right before the race last year though? I know he hasn't been on the same program but i would expect top 20 if he's healthy. 

crusty_xx wrote:
He basically came off the couch if I remember correctly. Also went down in lap 1 moto 1 and basically came from last to 15th. In...

He basically came off the couch if I remember correctly. Also went down in lap 1 moto 1 and basically came from last to 15th. In a deeper field. I don't see a reason why he should be outside the top 15 this year. That redbull lid should at least get him 5 additional positions

And was racing injured 

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7/19/2023 1:47pm
Shredder wrote:

The Honda is too old and not homologated

Serious question, NOT being a smartass… is a bike not eligible for life once it has been homologated? I know Honda has not produced a 2-stroke since 2007, but the bike had been homologated at that time and I had just assumed once a bike had that status it would always have it? Not the case?

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7/19/2023 1:49pm
TxT0RKiT wrote:

Ryan Surratt was flying at Glen Helen on a CR250R.  I hope he races too.  

Shredder wrote:

He'd have to ride something different though.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Why ?

You must be new here

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Shredder wrote:

The Honda is too old and not homologated

Serious question, NOT being a smartass… is a bike not eligible for life once it has been homologated? I know Honda has not produced a 2-stroke...

Serious question, NOT being a smartass… is a bike not eligible for life once it has been homologated? I know Honda has not produced a 2-stroke since 2007, but the bike had been homologated at that time and I had just assumed once a bike had that status it would always have it? Not the case?

Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical 2019 is.

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7/19/2023 2:22pm
Shredder wrote:
Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical...

Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical 2019 is.

Gotcha… I was unaware of that rule! Seems like a really stupid rule to enforce, but then again the AMA has never been particularly known for letting logic, common sense & discretion cloud their decision making! 😎

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Shredder wrote:
Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical...

Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical 2019 is.

Gotcha… I was unaware of that rule! Seems like a really stupid rule to enforce, but then again the AMA has never been particularly known for...

Gotcha… I was unaware of that rule! Seems like a really stupid rule to enforce, but then again the AMA has never been particularly known for letting logic, common sense & discretion cloud their decision making! 😎

I never realized this either. Silly

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7/19/2023 2:36pm

If they didn't have this rule, it'd be like that clown show that was the 125 challenge series. 

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7/19/2023 2:45pm
Shredder wrote:
Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical...

Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical 2019 is.

Gotcha… I was unaware of that rule! Seems like a really stupid rule to enforce, but then again the AMA has never been particularly known for...

Gotcha… I was unaware of that rule! Seems like a really stupid rule to enforce, but then again the AMA has never been particularly known for letting logic, common sense & discretion cloud their decision making! 😎

dinger212 wrote:

I never realized this either. Silly

5 year old   bike age limit

7/19/2023 3:05pm
scott_nz wrote:

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

He is fast on the 2 stroke!!

Why has he not gotten rides is the US or Europe over the years?!

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7/19/2023 5:19pm
Shredder wrote:
Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical...

Once a bike is something like 5 years old you can't ride it anymore. So a 2018 YZ 250 is a no go, but an identical 2019 is.

Actually the 2022/23 YZ250 is the most recent homologated YZ250.

Yamaha stopped paying for homologation on their 2 stroke for a few years so that’s why you didn’t see anyone trying to race them at all around 2017/2021.

They decided to pay again in 2022 since they made some changes to the bike.

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7/19/2023 5:23pm
scott_nz wrote:

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

He is fast on the 2 stroke!!

Why has he not gotten rides is the US or Europe over the years?!

Washougal dirt is just like North Island dirt, I was there in 2015, HH should go good if he manages to qualify after having to learn the track so fast. 

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scott_nz wrote:

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

He is fast on the 2 stroke!!

Why has he not gotten rides is the US or Europe over the years?!

Oh that’s pretty cool to see him coming over, he never post on Instagram so we don’t know what he is up to.

If he gets a decent bike that has a tuned ECU at least, he could do good.

I think Hamish and a few other fast kiwis are fast on the pumice tracks but when they leave the homeland it gets hard mentally as you have more fast guys and usually they don’t get good equipments overseas.

Same as Kayne Lamont! I knew Kayne a bit from a British friend that raced NZ National in 2015/2016 and Kayne was always pretty fast in NZ and OZ in 250 and when he went to England  couple times he struggled hard even though he should of been much better.

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7/19/2023 9:15pm
scott_nz wrote:

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

He is fast on the 2 stroke!!

Why has he not gotten rides is the US or Europe over the years?!

Hamish did a season in England and did a few gps early on ,  he works full time as a builder and just races on the weekend. , 

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7/19/2023 9:16pm
Rotaholic wrote:
Washougal dirt is just like North Island dirt, I was there in 2015, HH should go good if he manages to qualify after having to learn...

Washougal dirt is just like North Island dirt, I was there in 2015, HH should go good if he manages to qualify after having to learn the track so fast. 

Having been to Washougal , I don’t believe any track  in  Nz has dirt like that  , our hard pack tracks are more clay 

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7/19/2023 11:31pm
scott_nz wrote:

Cool to see multi time  Nz champ Hamish Harwood make the trip 

He is fast on the 2 stroke!!

Why has he not gotten rides is the US or Europe over the years?!

scott_nz wrote:
Hamish did a season in England and did a few gps early on ,  he works full time as a builder and just races on the...

Hamish did a season in England and did a few gps early on ,  he works full time as a builder and just races on the weekend. , 

Done well in Oz as well. IMG 1024 0

 

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7/20/2023 4:40am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2023 6:18am

I had no idea there was a 5 year rule . Kinda silly . It would be great to see some KX , RM , CRs out there . There was a guy a few years ago in EMX 2 stroke that ran pretty good on an RM against the new stuff . Edit : I should say I didn't know there was homologation for the 2 stroke race .

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7/20/2023 5:12am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2023 5:13am

So the only bike that is raceable is a 2022/23 YZ250??? Not even a new KTM??????? If so pretty sucking stupid!

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ROCKNDAWG wrote:

So the only bike that is raceable is a 2022/23 YZ250??? Not even a new KTM??????? If so pretty sucking stupid!

All the Austrian bikes are.

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7/20/2023 5:25am
Joko wrote:

Decotis mentioned something about racing a 2 stroke at a National before the end of the season

He said he'll be at Dilla on a 125.

 

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7/20/2023 5:52am

Regarding the homologation rule, what exactly is the AMA ”afraid” of..?

What damage could letting ”all” brand manufactured bikes free to race do?

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7/20/2023 5:59am

Homologation rules should be percentage of manufactured not total number. The total number bullshit discriminates against small brands.

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7/20/2023 6:42am
mx691 wrote:

Regarding the homologation rule, what exactly is the AMA ”afraid” of..?

What damage could letting ”all” brand manufactured bikes free to race do?

AMA rules are controlled by the AMA Board of Directors, can you guess who they are...

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ROCKNDAWG wrote:

So the only bike that is raceable is a 2022/23 YZ250??? Not even a new KTM??????? If so pretty sucking stupid!

Just curious... what made you think the KTMs or Austrian bikes aren't homologated?

7/20/2023 6:56am

If they didn't have this rule, it'd be like that clown show that was the 125 challenge series. 

I don't know much about the 125 challenge besides watching part of one.  The idea seemed pretty interesting.   Why was it a clown show? 

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7/20/2023 6:57am
mx691 wrote:

Regarding the homologation rule, what exactly is the AMA ”afraid” of..?

What damage could letting ”all” brand manufactured bikes free to race do?

To promote buying new bikes,the older bikes can be ridden at certain races, no regulations.  2 stroke only, vintage.  Etc. 

7/20/2023 7:35am

If they didn't have this rule, it'd be like that clown show that was the 125 challenge series. 

sclark309d wrote:

I don't know much about the 125 challenge besides watching part of one.  The idea seemed pretty interesting.   Why was it a clown show? 

For me it was too many old bikes and varying levels of skill the last time or two. Besides the fact of it being a 4 lap exhibition joke. 

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7/20/2023 7:43am

Would be really cool if peacock/nbc will keep it covered In one of the extra screens down in the bottom of the main race. Atleast the leader anyways… 

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