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Jett even said he can’t push the Honda above 80%.
I think a lot of times, certain bikes are identified as death traps and unrideable for the average rider, kind of the same way some people who grew up riding 4-strokes now dislike 2-strokes, because they require more effort to ride fast. For a long time, 4-strokes were identified as boring motorcycles that were almost the equivalent of a sofa with two wheels bolted to it, because they were so easy to ride, but not very exciting. Then when a 4-stroke race bike like the Honda CRF450 is created, but requires more work to ride fast compared to other 4-strokes, it's labeled a Death trap. It's kind of a strange balance manufacturers have to go through to develop a dirt bike that's not boring, but also not too extreme. I think all the 250 and 450F bikes today are damn good and just need a little tinkering to customize them to your riding abilities. I have an 1987 Honda CR500 that I use to ride pretty damn good, but then got use to the 4-strokes and parked it for a number of years, then I decided to ride it again and thought I was going to kill myself on it, is it a bad bike Hell! no, but it does require a different approach to ride it. I just think what Jett and Chase are doing this year shows that the current CRF450's are good bikes that might just need a bit more effort to set up.
Did you just make that up or do you have a link to Jett actually saying that. Hard to believe he'd say he can't ride that bike past 80% of it's potential and I don't think Honda would appreciate one of it's employees saying that about their product. I do remember somebody quoting that Tomac said the factory YZF450 was too fast and needed to be de-tuned, but I never heard him say that on video.
I can agree with this.
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Yeah, where's the proof this was stated? If true, that's very scary for the competition.
It was in an interview with him, I think it was from Vital. He said the bike will “bite back” if it’s pushed too hard so he rides around 80%. It might’ve been with AJ Cataranzo. I’ll try to find it.
There's this. About 2.30 in.
https://youtu.be/rSQNrJsdCDc
Hmm! considering how fast Jett is, it's surprising to hear him say he only rides that Honda at 80% Thank you for posting that.
Hondas will bite you, ask Eli, Tray, Chad while following RV, Kenny..... and more.
All through Supercross I thought Kenny was struggling more than I've ever seen, he still made things work but it wasn't tidy like we expect from him. He looked the same when he turned up at outdoors, although part of that was track condition. Lots of footdabs, repositioning in the air, less lean angle in corners etc. I genuinely believe the Suzuki is a half step below the rest and is ever so slightly holding him back from his very best.
As far as Ferrandis goes, I'd wager it's more to do with his injuries and months of not being able to train whatsoever than the bike being a dog. I mean it's Star we're talking about here, they don't generally miss, and they will do whatever it takes to make the bike as good as possible.
Yep, Good find 👍
This has pretty much been the case throughout the entire life of the 'backwards' YZFs.
Only the past couple of years the 450 has performed, and that coincided with Star buying the right riders. Go figure.
The problem isn't the bike.
Agree that it’s not the bike. The problem is that when a new design bike comes out every 4 years or so, it usually takes at least a full year to get the thing figured out for the factory level guys.
I think jett could win on a 2001 yz426 at this point.
Media says the bike is too ridged, but many factory guys have been adding chassis bracing to stiffen it up.
Big difference from media test riders and guys like jett and chase.
Anybody have access to the AMA rule book, I thought the frame and swingarms had to be stock on factory bikes, but suspension and engine modifications were allowed. Sounds like if the frame is being modified, that would be a rule violation.
I’m pretty sure you can add material, but not remove it
This. You can add, but can't remove or change frame dimensions. If I remember correctly, last outdoor season Honda moved the shock mount on the frame for Chase/Kenny.
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The ktm more stable? How many crashes did Webb have ? How many has AP had? And both mookie and Cc out from crashes with that bike
Right, and Barcia almost killed himself and is out riding that Death Trap of a motorcycle Gas Gas
Deegang was fast ....because was on a Honda
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If Tomac didn't rupture his achilles, this post wouldn't exist.
I agree 100%, so long as he didn’t stall it.
Jett, like so many of the past ultra talented riders, is on another level.
of course he could be playing mind games, and would be prefectly comfortable going over 80% who knows
Honda has one 450 championship in the past 20 years and it took 2 people getting hurt in the last 3 rounds to get it. So their bike isn't destroying anything
How's that, Team Honda is poised to win EVERY! AMA SX and MX Championship that was up for grabs this year and a rookie 450 rider that might have a perfect season in 2023. Seem's like Honda has a pretty damn good system going right now. Riders like Zach Osborne, Ken Roczen and Dylan Ferrandis have won championships and eaten Eli Tomacs' lunch in Motocross, while he was on the Kawasaki, so the bike does make a big difference.
Kroc never won a hrc. Title
I don't think they are trying to stiffen it up, but adjusting the flex characteristics to suit them better.
That will give that entire manufacturer the same number of 450 championships as Cooper Webb and 1 more than Jason Anderson
A tomac gift. Also to chase. And osbourne. When he had 2 dnf s. Eat his lunch. Lol.
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