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If a basically stock bike is beating factory bikes, then sort of makes me think factory bikes and all the cool things they do is a waste of money, goes past the bike, is the big high doller rig really neccesassry, or is all for show?
How many millions did hrc invest in kroc to win a title?
Well they care enough about Ty doing well that they lent him a motor when they didn't have to.
Lol. You clearly have no clue how business works.
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I think you're the one that doesn't understand how these big companies work. They could give him everything he needs to finish the year and it's a write-off for them, they just write it off.
Yeah...but in a way, they had to. It was a "save face" gesture. Ty has smoked their big-buck team members the majority of rounds so far, by simply outriding them on a bike that is basically a well setup stocker with a pipe and worked suspension. Not a good look for Kawie to be sure.
I'm very lost on all of these dump AC for Masterpool posts. It's already established that Ty is not a factor indoors, but he is currently losing to the guy you are saying to replace him with outdoors.
Even if you drop round 1, AC still has more points than Masterpool. Is the thought that if Masterpool was on ACs bike that he would magically be challenging Chase and Jett? We've seen plenty of fill-ins, and they have never become race win threats, or even podium threats.
One word....Terrible!! It's too bad.
I did the 2016 SX season as a mechanic with Cole Martinez when he rode for BPR/Home Depot Yamaha.
Cole lived in a house in Murrieta with Cooper Webb at the time, and that was essentially our race shop. I had a plastic folding table, small toolbox and air compressor. His practice bike had OEM KYB suspension converted to air by Enzo, a pipe, Vortex ignition and complete clutch. Everything else was completely stock. I did all practice bike work in that garage - 2 top ends, no bottom ends, all chassis work besides suspension rebuilds. We rode at the Yamaha track with Star (Cooper Webb, Plessinger, Alex Martin, Jeremy Martin, Mitchell Harrison at the time) and he would be faster than Harrison almost every day, and sometimes faster than Alex on a bone stock engine. He couldn't even triple into one of the rhythm sections.
For the "race bike", it had Enzo A-kit air and not much else chassis wise - cut subframe and that's about it. Engine was built by Dasa, but was less than an amateur spec engine. It was so basic, it only got rebuilt once through the season. Most of the bike builds were done in the garage on a plastic folding table. The "semi" truck we were out of had basically no parts other than graphics and a pair of bars.
Cole finished in the top 10 a few rounds and finished the season 14th in points despite missing as couple rounds. He beat Pro Circuit, Star and TLD riders somewhat frequently. It would blow me away when he did and really made me question what is necessary for these race teams.
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That's cool for Cole and all but that was a regional SX series. I have a hard time drawing a comparison to what Ty is doing in the 450 class on a lightly worked 450 to Cole in west coast supercross.
Ty tried the 250 class at Pala on a privateer bike and never came close to the top 10. You can maybe get by with a lightly modified 250 in a regional SX series but when it comes to racing an entire class for outdoors it's probably not going to cut it like Ty tried. He was able to go 8-8 at RedBud last year but failed to get those results at any other races he tried on a privateer 250 last year.
Cole's 2019 supercross results are more impressive than what he did on a 250. 13th overall in a 450 supercross main is cool.
Cole winning Open Pro Sport was even cooler seeing all the guys he beat last year.
It wasn't my intent to compare Cole's season(s) to Ty's current season. I was sharing my experience of competing at a pretty high level with minimal resources when compared to the factory efforts.
With that said, I believe Ty's bike is much more competitive in the 450 class than a privateer bike is in 250's, regional SX included. Cole was down 7-8HP compared to a factory bike at the time, in a class where engine matters most. In 450's, a stock engine can get the jonb done (as we've seen with Ty).
Again, my intent was to give a little insight on the contrast between factory teams and privateer efforts and that all those extra resources don't always equate to results on the track.
Dude. A "write-off" does not mean it doesn't cost money or come out of a budget, it simply means it is protected from taxes because it's an "expense". 100% of most factories costs is categorized as marketing and/or research and development, which are already write-offs. They know this when the budgets are created and don't have hundreds of thousands lying around to toss to a privateer just because you think they should or he is doing well. Note: They also have parts budgets and order the supply needed long before the season, so just creating another factory bike and the resources along with it is not a simple flip of a switch.
If you work for a decent size company, go ask your boss if he can just randomly hire another high level, full time employee with this magical pile of cash that just lies around within companies.
All these big companies...they just write it off. Hire Masterpool and just write it off.
You don't even know what a write-off is.
But they do, and they're the ones writing it off!
Thats a pretty good job explaining the reality of what is needed to race at a very high level. Seems the sport tries to impress with the glamour, rigs, titanium bits, really adds up to nothin. A good bike (not factory bits) and rider skills is need to be competitive. Living like a rockstar is all for the marketing.
7-8 HP is HUGE!
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It's not too late to just delete this and act like it didn't happen....
It was extremely frustrating.
The engine builder (Dasa) was also frustrated - they had their name attached to a SX team, but the budget for engines wasn't there. They had amateurs on bikes with 3-4 more HP because the parents were willing to spend the cash to rebuild, where this team wasn't willing.
Nothing more frustrating then showing up for track walk to find a huge triple out of a corner, knowing he was going to have to die trying or improvise through that section the entire day and night.
Was just waiting for someone to post Kramer up. Hilarious.
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Bro.....you're lost. Explain it to us?
What AC likes and what he can physically do is two different things. He was just rolling around at the end of moto 2 at Southwick. Masterpool and AC were just an example anyway
Yep and kawy wants a sx guy also.
There is no doubt that HRC planned to win multiple titles with him, and I am sure disappointed that they didn’t. Especially at the actual race team level.
however above that level, how many extra bikes would have been sold if he won 1 or 2 titles?
He was hired to represent the brand, and he is one of the most popular and recognizable figures in the sport, he won a lot of races etc.
ROI is so difficult to calculate when it comes to racing, but I dare say Honda did pretty well with Kenny compared to most.
It's easy. All the big companies write off losses. Everyone but you knows that.
I might go and buy a Porsche tomorrow, then tell my Partner “it is just a write off”, so the money doesn’t really matter.
Same as ac, popular,well spoken. No drama and represents the brand well.
I asked my accountant to write off the time I volunteered to this thread. I might also write off my time for dealing with that guy that thinks all US based riders should race in Europe.
This is the definition of ignorance.
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