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At this point I don't believe Jett has reached his full potential. And JH is past his prime in my opinion. With that being said I feel JH would be the faster of the two, on their best days.
We saw Jett go 100% the second moto at Pala
Jett Lawrence is having a fantastic season going 10 moto's undefeated, but the field is very weak and outside of the top 8 the speed drops off very quickly. Any half way decent MXGP rider could easily score points at an AMA National at the moment.
Herlings is definitely past his prime, but would still have Jett handled in a straight up race. Let's see what happens at Ernee MXoN?, hopefully everyone get's there injury free!
I might be wrong, but I still don't think we did.
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Waayy before my time like -11 but I quess it counts tough still 1 dude with balls and it’s an American how about that 😅
You cannot say Rossi has more ambition then talent how big must your ego be to tell him that straight in his face, the man is a true legend with a killer attitude on track and gentleman off track.
stoner will always be a winer his only thing is he knew how to ride a Ducati but that alone doesn’t make you a 9 time legend
I could have scored points in the MXGP race last weekend.
Don’t think we are ever going to see a 2018 Herlings again, I think that’s just distant thunder now, we are looking at the tail end of the storm. He rides 75 % now and still getting hurt. Having said that 3/4 Herlings still has enough for most top riders in the world. Jet is something special and his style suits the US tracks but I would definitely give him a chance against the bullet for sure.
I’ve been wondering this all summer. I sure do hope the racing community gets to see this before the bullet retires. I don’t even care who wins, the battle would be a treat to watch. The contrasting styles alone make it exciting enough to dream about. Old school hang it out of Jeffrey vs new generation ultra smooth flowing Jett.
By September? Oh then it's granted already?
How many 450 champs he is racing this season? Ferrandis? Who is not even in he's best form yet. Herlings got 2021 title against Carioli, Gajser and Febvre.
MXGP Latvia, Moto 1, fell in the corner, got up and smashed Prados 7.7sec lead gap in 4.5 laps and took over lead. What are you talking about
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LOL, so its better in the GP's with 15 riders per moto? Think maybe that makes for easier starts, there is no "Pack" to come through after a bad start, etc.
Also it isn't like Jett has a boat load a Ernee experience like Herlings does.
I agree, and I found that comment disrespectful of what Rossi did.
I mentioned it because a lot of people refer to JH as an "incredible talent". To me he is less talented than (just to mention some of his rivals) Jett, Gajser, Prado, Cairoli but he compensated with motivation, physical strength and and unbelievable resilience to injuries. Now he is 28, and with so many injuries he will not be able to compensate anymore with his strength.
He is probably very good in understanding where you can be faster than the competition and riding way over his limits for quite a while. I'd like to have a comment from Stoner on talent vs. ambition in JH.
I think he has been very important for the MXGP marketing, and maybe that's his strongest legacy (MXGP being perceived as "fastest" for a while).
Yes jett and prado may have more talent......but gajser and cairoli certainly not....gajser falls much more often then herlings......and cairoli off is fitness an motivation.....
I don't know if you have seen herlings ride on a sandtrack ....of you don't think that's talent.... Yes then i don't know what talent is....i think
Yes, I saw JH riding in Lommel several times, the first time in 2012.
Staying Cairoli is less talented is funny, given the fact he has double MX1 wins compared to JH, and has 7 mx1 tiles in 13 years vs. 2 in 8 years.
So he had Sexton on his rear fender, where one mistake would have cost him the win, and he had more in the tank? Naw
Yes cairoli certainly has talent otherwise you wil not become world champion 9 times.......but i also thought that james stewart was more talented than ricky carmicheal and he also won a lot more then stewart...and i think the same with cairoli and herlings
Maybe I’m looking at it wrong but I don’t see teammates pushing each other that hard in the season opener. If Chase was really on him then, while dealing with mono too he should’ve been even more competitive at Red Bud.
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As an American and a long time Tomac fan, I hoped every year to see him dialed in and lined up against a fully fit Herlings at mxon on a non muddy track. On any track other than Lommel, I think it could have gone either way.
As far as Jett Lawrence is concerned, i don't think Herlings OR Tomac cam match that kid. If either of them are able to match Jett, they won't be able to once he has another year under his belt on a 450. He looks to me like he has speed in reserve to handle Sexton or Ferrandis if he needs it. Being a rookie and only 19 years old, there's no telling how fast he will ultimately be.
All these years of people arguing over the fastest European Herlings vs the fastest American Tomac. Now there's a 19 year old Aussie in the 450 class, and based on what I'm seeing, I don't think Herlings or Tomac want any of that smoke. I think that kid may be the baddest cat on the planet already. If not, just wait one year. Holy shit that kid is unreal.
Gajser and Cairoli both came from absolutely nothing. So to say they’re not as talented is massively untrue.
I do think this year's 450 class is not really strong.... he doesn't need to take any risks....dylan ferrandis has been injured for along time this year....and has a new bike ...but he is going definitief beat him a few times this year....sexton to........i also thinks tomac and herlings are definitief as good....
I agree with you.that the 450 class this year is weaker. Ferrandis.has had injuries, but he himself says he is 100 percent physically. He says it's the bike that's holding him back. Perhaps they are still searching to get it right for him, and perhaps he isn't at the level he was at in 2021, but maybe he's actually at that same level or close and it just seems like he isn't because he can't beat Jett. At Pala, Sexton was 100 percent fit, the bike was essentially.the same as it was the year before, and they had races on that bike on that track to go off of for settings. There was no reason Sexton should have been any less awesome than in 22' outdoors. Jett was racing his first 450 race other than mxon, and didn't have previous races on that bike at Pala as a reference for optimum suspension settings.
With all that said, Jett still handled Sexton and looked well in control doing it. The odds of Jett's bike settings being spot on are small. Nothing from mxon could have been applied as the conditions were so different. He literally lined up for his first 450 mx ama race and straight up handled a fully fit Chase Sexton who had 2 full seasons on that same bike. He handled Sexton easier than Tomac did from what I saw.
You may be right in your assessment of it all, but I think Ferrandis is closer to peak 21' form than even he realizes or wants to admit. Sexton could have been a hair off at Redbud, but not much. I think Jett is just that good and making them look like they're off...or at least making them look more off than they really are. Ferrandis rode his balls off to reel in Jett at Redbud. When Jett realized it, he just upped the speed and pulled away without looking a bit out of control. I just think the kid is that good and only going as fast as he needs to. When he needed to get around other riders to get to the lead, he did so in nothing flat. Any time he's been pushed and needed to wick it up, he has. On every track despite it being his first time on that track on that bike.
The field isn't as strong this year, but he has straight up put it to Chase every encounter, and the kid.is just making it look too easy. As long as he isnt injured, I don't think.anyone will be able to handle him in the coming years if he gets any kind of decent start. That's just my opinion based on what I've seen. I'm not a Jett hater or a Jett fanboy by any stretch. I would rather see an American dominate, so I root for Sexton now that Tomac is out. I gotta accept reality.though.
Why these silly comparisons come up is beyond me. You can only compare head to head in the same race or series. Put todays Jett in last years 450 outdoors does he do as well? No, not at the pace Tomac and Sexton where at. But, with the starts Jett is currently getting and high level of race craft he would be in the mix and still show that he's legit. Herling's however is unfortunately a lost cause. You can't even figure out at what point to put him in any discussion. And no you can't use that Ironman National. Such a great talent but can't stay healthy and you really can't put him in any discussion other than he's had a great career with a lot of wins. I will say kind of like Stewart, Tomac and Magoo, on certain days, NO one could beat Herling's.
Didn’t Jett smoke everyone in the Open class at last years MXDN?
Still waiting for Jett to push it.
Err, smoked everyone in every class to win the individual.
Ferrandis demonstrated by winning 450 Outdoors that he was quicker than Eli in 2021, winning by 73 points, and quicker than Chase who didn't finish.
If proven quicker than prime Eli, Frenchy can't hold his pace, let alone run Jett down, then the slower Sexton is unlikely to.
you obviously didn't watch that series too closely in regard to Tomac. And you are making my point. Dylan was absolutely one of the best in the world that summer. He busted his ass and won that title in 2021 in impressive style.
He said INDIVIDUAL.
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